The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[The Camel]

I'd hate to be the person in the office who needs to print out a boarding pass on the day they're printing that out.

What do people think about John McDonnell?

As I've said, until these threads were started on here, I've never followed politics at all.

In turn, I don't know any politicians beyond the ones who get all the headlines.

Saw him on QT last month, and thought he came across very well, and seems to be a lot more likeable than Osborne, who I believe is his opposite number.

If everybody formed their view based on directly watching and listening to politicians rather than allowing the press and other people to tell them what to think, British politics would be very, very different. Milliband, Corbyn and McDonnell being outstanding recent examples. When Dacre and Murdoch die it will be a wonderful day for democracy and no I haven't been drinking :-)

Sorry to disappoint you Kush, but there's zero chance there will be any change in the attitudes/opinions of the mainstream media after those two have shuffled off

[Woodsey]

I'd hate to be the person in the office who needs to print out a boarding pass on the day they're printing that out.

What do people think about John McDonnell?

As I've said, until these threads were started on here, I've never followed politics at all.

In turn, I don't know any politicians beyond the ones who get all the headlines.

Saw him on QT last month, and thought he came across very well, and seems to be a lot more likeable than Osborne, who I believe is his opposite number.

If everybody formed their view based on directly watching and listening to politicians rather than allowing the press and other people to tell them what to think, British politics would be very, very different. Milliband, Corbyn and McDonnell being outstanding recent examples. When Dacre and Murdoch die it will be a wonderful day for democracy and no I haven't been drinking :-)

You must be on drugs then because they are fucking cocks the lot of them, that is why the left was REJECTED at the last election and are fucked for the next one at least  

[Woodsey]

I'd hate to be the person in the office who needs to print out a boarding pass on the day they're printing that out.

What do people think about John McDonnell?

As I've said, until these threads were started on here, I've never followed politics at all.

In turn, I don't know any politicians beyond the ones who get all the headlines.

Saw him on QT last month, and thought he came across very well, and seems to be a lot more likeable than Osborne, who I believe is his opposite number.

If everybody formed their view based on directly watching and listening to politicians rather than allowing the press and other people to tell them what to think, British politics would be very, very different. Milliband, Corbyn and McDonnell being outstanding recent examples. When Dacre and Murdoch die it will be a wonderful day for democracy and no I haven't been drinking :-)

Sorry to disappoint you Kush, but there's zero chance there will be any change in the attitudes/opinions of the mainstream media after those two have shuffled off

Doesn't matter, the public know the right way forward 

[kukushkin88]

I'd hate to be the person in the office who needs to print out a boarding pass on the day they're printing that out.

What do people think about John McDonnell?

As I've said, until these threads were started on here, I've never followed politics at all.

In turn, I don't know any politicians beyond the ones who get all the headlines.

Saw him on QT last month, and thought he came across very well, and seems to be a lot more likeable than Osborne, who I believe is his opposite number.

If everybody formed their view based on directly watching and listening to politicians rather than allowing the press and other people to tell them what to think, British politics would be very, very different. Milliband, Corbyn and McDonnell being outstanding recent examples. When Dacre and Murdoch die it will be a wonderful day for democracy and no I haven't been drinking :-)

Sorry to disappoint you Kush, but there's zero chance there will be any change in the attitudes/opinions of the mainstream media after those two have shuffled off

I've thought about it quite a lot. I do agree that the damage has already been done/can't be undone. There's still a part of me that hopes whoever succeeds them won't be quite as bad. The extent to which they've corrupted democracy in the UK is pretty incredible.

[Marky147]

I'd hate to be the person in the office who needs to print out a boarding pass on the day they're printing that out.

What do people think about John McDonnell?

As I've said, until these threads were started on here, I've never followed politics at all.

In turn, I don't know any politicians beyond the ones who get all the headlines.

Saw him on QT last month, and thought he came across very well, and seems to be a lot more likeable than Osborne, who I believe is his opposite number.

If everybody formed their view based on directly watching and listening to politicians rather than allowing the press and other people to tell them what to think, British politics would be very, very different. Milliband, Corbyn and McDonnell being outstanding recent examples. When Dacre and Murdoch die it will be a wonderful day for democracy and no I haven't been drinking :-)

While some of what they see seems a bit idealistic, at least Corbyn and Mcdonnell seem sincere, and to care about their beliefs.

I did used to think Cameron was a great speaker, but watching him recently, he just seems to have turned into a snide *****, who treats PMQs like a chance to try and act up in front of the boys.

Still, I enjoy the (mostly) good debates on here, and it's good that there is very little trolling, too.

[Marky147]

I do like Boris though, and he at least seems like a real person.

[AlunB]

I do like Boris though, and he at least seems like a real person.

We said that about Cameron didn't we? I think he's incredibly clever but I would be terrified for him to be PM as I think he would take counsel from absolutely nobody. BoJo I mean.

[Marky147]

I do like Boris though, and he at least seems like a real person.

We said that about Cameron didn't we? I think he's incredibly clever but I would be terrified for him to be PM as I think he would take counsel from absolutely nobody. BoJo I mean.

It's embarrassing, but I honestly never followed politics at all, before I started reading the threads here.

My first impression of Cameron was that he was a very polished, and strong public speaker. I can't say I've ever found him comparable to Boris, as far as likeability goes.

Having seen how he has carried on since being reelected, I definitely hope that he's gone sooner, rather than later. The last few times I've seen him speaking, he replies to questions with his buzzwords/soundbites, but never actually answering, which is very tilting.

I agree with your thoughts on Boris, for sure. He seems very headstrong, and not likely to be one that would want too much outside input, which no doubt causes problems.

I wish I was still out working a manual job, I wouldn't see anywhere near enough media to get involved

[DungBeetle]

The great comfort blanket of the Left.  People reject us because the newspapers tell them to.  It's a bit pathetic.

[Doobs]

The great comfort blanket of the Left.  People reject us because the newspapers tell them to.  It's a bit pathetic.

It isn't "the left", it is the delusionals on either side.  Thatcher would have gone another 5 years if it wasn't for those leftie bastards in the BBC undermining her.

With Corbyn, it as if he never made all those past cockups and never met those undesirables,  they were entirely made up by Murdoch.   The same with Ed Milliband, it wasn't like we elected the wrong Milliband, it was all the right wing press's fault for pointing out his flaws.

And Jeremy, if you ever get in charge, you aren't going to be making decisions where there are no losers. 

[aaron1867]

ever wondered what the life quality is of the PM or some of the cabinet?

Yeah, nice pay and benefits, but these people must have very little sleep and also, have to put up with some absolute crap. Not saying the "crap" is right or wrong, but could you ever be an MP? Some of these politicians must have severe depression with all the negativity

[kukushkin88]

The great comfort blanket of the Left.  People reject us because the newspapers tell them to.  It's a bit pathetic.

I think you might have oversimplified this somewhat and then missed the point (probably deliberately), throw in the unnecessary insult and you seem to be very well qualified to be the next Conservative PM. (if they're after a like for like replacement)

[DungBeetle]

It's more an observation than an insult.  Labour is better served getting out there and making the socialist argument, rather than grumble about the Daily Mail.  To be fair this seems to be the approach Corbyn is taking.

[DaveShoelace]

Blaming the media is often the politician's underhand way of blaming the voters, usually working class voters. Left and right are equally as guilty.

[AlunB]

It's more an observation than an insult.  Labour is better served getting out there and making the socialist argument, rather than grumble about the Daily Mail.  To be fair this seems to be the approach Corbyn is taking.

This is very true. But remember Milliband refused to engage with the Murdoch press and as a result got absolutely hammered by them.

TV and radio is bound by the Ofcom code of impartiality. No matter what the lunatics on the right say about the BBC being a marxist haven of left wing bias, it's bound by law to be balanced in its news coverage. It can't proselytise, harangue and generally brow beat its viewers to think a certain way.

The right wing press is not objectionable because it's right wing, it's objectionable because it uses a non democratic platform to consistently try and influence politics. It's still and incredibly loud and incredibly effective voice. If it runs a story saying Corbyn is a crazed communist then it makes TV and radio news and is talked about all day.

Now I'm a fairly pragmatic person and I managed to convince myself that in a social media world the newspapers didn't matter anymore and nobody listened to them. But certainly what seemed to happen is people believed what they said and did what they asked them to do in the last election.

Where else did you hear the SNP will unite with Milliband to create communist Russia in Chesterfield apart from Murdoch/Dacre axis of evil?

/rant