The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[The Camel]

Democracy in action.

FYP.

[celtic]

Does this mean that Brexit is less likely now?

I'm a complete polifish, so be gentle with me.

[doubleup]

Does this mean that Brexit is less likely now?

I'm a complete polifish, so be gentle with me.

less likely cos Trump is going to get in and nuke everywhere by next June, after saying "Our nukes are the best nukes, bigly" on twitter.

If Hillary makes it, brexit will happen but hopefully it will be the lite version where we get the single market and the EU gets a bit of money and a release from the constant British moaning.

[Woodsey]

Does this mean that Brexit is less likely now?

I'm a complete polifish, so be gentle with me.

Not really, if it gets to a vote in parliament quite a lot of remoaner MPs would vote to trigger article 50 because they believe in following the democracy of the people more than their personal desire to stay in the EU.

[celtic]

Does this mean that Brexit is less likely now?

I'm a complete polifish, so be gentle with me.

Not really, if it gets to a vote in parliament quite a lot of remoaner MPs would vote to trigger article 50 because they believe in following the democracy of the people more than their personal desire to stay in the EU.

Do they though? Hasn't opinion of the public changed a bit since the vote?

[Woodsey]

Does this mean that Brexit is less likely now?

I'm a complete polifish, so be gentle with me.

Not really, if it gets to a vote in parliament quite a lot of remoaner MPs would vote to trigger article 50 because they believe in following the democracy of the people more than their personal desire to stay in the EU.

Do they though? Hasn't opinion of the public changed a bit since the vote?

It might have a touch but not following a referendum result just makes an entire mockery of having a democracy in the first place. They aren't going to go against that because a few people might have regretted their choice in the referendum.

[Doobs]

Pro Brexit Conservative MP Stephen Phillips has resigned.  He has been vocal in criticising the Government's attempts to bypass parliament in the Brexit negotiations.

[Doobs]

Pro Brexit Conservative MP Stephen Phillips has resigned.  He has been vocal in criticising the Government's attempts to bypass parliament in the Brexit negotiations.

Some background to today's resignation here

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/10/tory-mp-anna-soubry-concerned-rush-hard-brexit

[neeko]

Below is the timeline of why brexit will become a biggar mess than it already was.

Sumpreme court decision Jan 17 - up hold verdict
Commons 1st votes - passes easily
Lords reject it / stick ten amendments on it
Ping pong between lords and commons
Daily mail calls it constitutional crisis - but this is how it is supposed to work
Commons votes ok to sending A50
But this has taken a year so now early 2018
Two years later is early 2020
This is a problem as Europe elections are mid 2019 so they will have to take place in the U.K. as we won't have left.
7 year budget cycle for the eu starts in 2020 so will start in it but then won't be and  a huge hole is created, Germany gets annoyed as they will get stuck with the bill.
Oh and uk election must be by may 2020 - must be out of Eu by then or new govt could change their mind and reverse A50

Interesting times ahead

[doubleup]

I think the interesting bit is amendments.  Lets say the bill is amended to say that we must stay in the single market.  That amendment has a majority ie the house of commons tells the government to negotiate on that basis.  I can't see how they can do anything other than follow that.  They can't really get an early election as they would need a majority to vote no confidence (and anyway what would be the point of an election as they couldn't possibly make it about insisting on hard brexit).

[neeko]

Given the latest acronym BEANO - brexit existing as name only.

What does brexit mean, do all of the below have to happen or only some of them?

Not be one of the 28 full members of the EU
Net immigration below 100k
Not be subject of the ECJ
Not be subject to the ECHR
Not part of the single market
Not have that stupid cookie messages  pop up when entering a new website
Bananas can be bendy
Skilled eu workers can't move here
Unskilled eu workers can't move here
EU non-workers cant move here
Retired UK citizens can't move to the costa del Sol
Cut VAT on some items
Don't pay into the EU budget

Rhetoric aside, what is actually going to change? Ignoring if it is good or bad, what will history point to as concrete changes that will have happened rather than political grandstanding?

[TightEnd]

catching up. not the best few days to be offline


Could the High Court ruling requiring Parliament to approve the triggering of Article 50 mean the UK stays in...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37860618?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

[TightEnd]

Article 50 ruling: the EU referendum was only ever "advisory" says acgrayling

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/article-50-ruling-eu-referendum-was-only-ever-advisory

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