The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[doubleup]

somethign else picked out of the AS

Oil revenues still dire - making finances of an independent Scotland rather awkward.

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It is pretty poor, but why don't the Telegraph and Mail do features on how the UK is languishing with the EU's economic basket cases?

[The Camel]

incredible really

"Voters' greatest disappointment with AutumnStatement is lack of £ for NHS. 'Why not use the £350m?' Asked one in BritainThinks focus group"

Over estimating the intelligence of the electorate is the biggest mistake politicians make.

[doubleup]

incredible really

"Voters' greatest disappointment with AutumnStatement is lack of £ for NHS. 'Why not use the £350m?' Asked one in BritainThinks focus group"

Over estimating the intelligence of the electorate is the biggest mistake politicians make.

Isn't there a chance that the focus group person was being sarcastic?

[Woodsey]

incredible really

"Voters' greatest disappointment with AutumnStatement is lack of £ for NHS. 'Why not use the £350m?' Asked one in BritainThinks focus group"

Over estimating the intelligence of the electorate is the biggest mistake politicians make.

Here we go again, everyone is thick 

[doubleup]

Given our present bunch I'd be more inclined to say

Over estimating the intelligence of politicians is the biggest mistake the electorate make

[TightEnd]

there is some fascinating stuff in this

Tony Blair’s unfinished business: the former prime minister on Trump, Brexit and Corbyn

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/tony-blair-s-unfinished-business

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[TightEnd]

meanwhile, the US is about to get another migrant

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[TightEnd]

stephen bush with a worrying thought

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[DaveShoelace]

I'd throw 'treating poor/working class voters with contempt' is the biggest mistake that British and American (and in particular left leaning) politicians and media types make. Look at how the Tories and the Republicans are now the parties that represent the 'working man' in 2016. That's the fault of Labour and the Democrats, not 'thick voters'.

[The Camel]

stephen bush with a worrying thought

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Think I pretty much suggested all this on June 24th.

Whatever Labour do they are screwed.

If they go for "Remain in EU at all costs" they lose swathes of seats in North East, North West and Midlands

If they embrace Brexit they lose seats in metropolitan areas.

I am definitely leaning towards voting Lib Dem. If Clegg was still leader it would be a no brainer. Can't bear Tim Farron though.

[The Camel]

I'd throw 'treating poor/working class voters with contempt' is the biggest mistake that British and American (and in particular left leaning) politicians and media types make. Look at how the Tories and the Republicans are now the parties that represent the 'working man' in 2016. That's the fault of Labour and the Democrats, not 'thick voters'.

I'm quite scornful over the "principles over power" mantra of the Corbynistas.

But if pandering to nationalism and racism is the only way Labour can win an election, I'd rather they didn't win tyvm.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-one-chart-that-shows-the-incomes-of-the-jams-will-be-crushed-a7436206.html

[DaveShoelace]

But if pandering to nationalism and racism is the only way Labour can win an election, I'd rather they didn't win tyvm.

Kinda proved my point there, the knee jerk assumption that working class = racist.

[nirvana]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-one-chart-that-shows-the-incomes-of-the-jams-will-be-crushed-a7436206.html

If 2/3rd can be made better off doesn't this just show up the ongoing inequity in the way successive governments ensure any prosperity is distributed. Brexit may exacerbate the effect of the political choices but they are political choices and not brexit related per se.  In fact brexit becomes a convenient codeword for keep ignoring the poor fkers. Pretty convenient for all political persuasions at the moment.

Still a laugh  of course that people protesting their left behindness have no real outlet in terms of voting for a political entity that would ever actually change this

[TightEnd]

there is a permits off option, but it only got 48%

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