The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Doobs]

motion of no confidence submitted on Corbyn. PLP votes on it on tuesday, secret ballot

I don't think the ballot is agreed yet.

[TightEnd]

motion of no confidence submitted on Corbyn. PLP votes on it on tuesday, secret ballot

I don't think the ballot is agreed yet.

sorry you are right.Monday meeting, then possible Tuesday vote

[DaveShoelace]

motion of no confidence submitted on Corbyn. PLP votes on it on tuesday, secret ballot

I don't think the ballot is agreed yet.

sorry you are right.Monday meeting, then possible Tuesday vote

Cliffs for a dumbass? Is that just MPs voting, bypassing the members?

[Graham C]

Terrible timing but does anyone else think Samantha Cameron is quite tasty?

Surely Scotland is better of waiting to see how the rest of the EU reacts?  If some of the other nations decide they want out too there could not be much of the EU worth being part of.  Won't happen overnight of course.

[muckthenuts]

Well how is rest of Europe going to respond. I doubt the citizens of France and Germany are going to be happy about propping up the EU by themselves. More referendums = the end of the EU as we know it? Maybe thats a good thing.

[TightEnd]

This is the most retweeted remain comment today. A reader comment on the FT website. Is it wrong?

[TightEnd]

motion of no confidence submitted on Corbyn. PLP votes on it on tuesday, secret ballot

I don't think the ballot is agreed yet.

sorry you are right.Monday meeting, then possible Tuesday vote

Cliffs for a dumbass? Is that just MPs voting, bypassing the members?

he needs the confidence of the mps or else it's very difficult to run a parliamentary opposition. Whether they have the support to get him out we don't know.

[rfgqqabc]

http://m.uk.investing.com/rates-bonds/uk-20-year-bond-yield

[TightEnd]

Needs 51 mps to support Monday to go to Tuesday vote

[TightEnd]

Chutzpah

[Doobs]

Chutzpah

I noticed Cornwall voted leave this morning.  Think they may have to wait in line for a while to see how the economy suffers.

Boston was the biggest vote for leave and it is also the place that has had the highest amount of Eastern European immigration AFAIK.  There must have been a huge vote leave proportion amongst the indigenous population there.

[MANTIS01]

I'm pretty confident in British business. If a 10% tariff is applied I believe we have the ingenuity to uncover 10% worth of efficiency savings, particularly now we are free from efficiency sapping bureaucracy.

Are you joking here?

I very much doubt there will be any tariffs or additional red tape but the idea that everyone could just suck it in 10% if they needed to is bizarre!

Really? It's pretty slight compared to the Tory manifesto for public services in recent times.

[nirvana]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

He hardly tried to get the vote out, thats why

tom watson tried, alan johnson was a labour figurehead, a few others on the debates, sadiq khan notably

corbyn wouldn't share a platform with cameron. ok, can understand that i suppose

but his comment that he did not want to see any restrictions to freedom of movement an hour after his deputy postulated that there should be was two fingers up at his core vote.

thats why Corbyn is in trouble. He should be. The membership vote probably keeps him in, but that doesn't help Labour in a snap GE

I understand all that except it's a matter of integrity to state clearly that if we stay there can be no upper limit on immigration or restrictions on movement. I admire him for that more than feel critical of him.

ok, i get that back. do you really think he's in touch with his vote though (not the london luvvies, the labour heartlands)?

if not, why is he leader?

Aah, I agree he has little merit as a leader in the short term if being elected is the only raison d'etre. In the same way Kinnock dragged the party to the centre and paved the way for the electable Blair I think someone had to drag Labour leftwards to help them find a new position that could be appealing/electable etc but wasn't simply Tory lite.

ok i understand

so a labour voter is praying for no snap general election post boris or May? because they aren't ready?

different answer if corbyn's successor is in place (assuming they appeal to broader groupings)?

Not sure it really matters - Labour is far from having a proposition that makes sense in the near future whether led by Corbyn or anyone else

[vegaslover]

What , if anything is most likely happen to our N.H.S ?

A staffing crisis?  Though we are already pretty much there.  Guess we will have to prioritise immigrants who can work in the NHS in the near future.

There is likely to be no new money given no change in Government.  

I don't think anybody is going to privatise it.

Doubt there would be a staffing crisis, most of the key immigrant workers come from outside the EU, this is the immigration thats at the top of our list.

There wont be any staffing crisis at all. Firstly, most of the foreign workforce comes from outside the EU.
Secondly, status quo applies to immigrants already working/living here. So even if all the workforce came from EU, they wouldn't be going anywhere.

Best thing for NHS would be no TTIP, which is a fked up process as it is.
On the flip side, most Tories want NHS privatised ( though this is and will continue to happen regardless of whether in or out of EU)

[Doobs]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

He hardly tried to get the vote out, thats why

tom watson tried, alan johnson was a labour figurehead, a few others on the debates, sadiq khan notably

corbyn wouldn't share a platform with cameron. ok, can understand that i suppose

but his comment that he did not want to see any restrictions to freedom of movement an hour after his deputy postulated that there should be was two fingers up at his core vote.

thats why Corbyn is in trouble. He should be. The membership vote probably keeps him in, but that doesn't help Labour in a snap GE

I understand all that except it's a matter of integrity to state clearly that if we stay there can be no upper limit on immigration or restrictions on movement. I admire him for that more than feel critical of him.

ok, i get that back. do you really think he's in touch with his vote though (not the london luvvies, the labour heartlands)?

if not, why is he leader?

Aah, I agree he has little merit as a leader in the short term if being elected is the only raison d'etre. In the same way Kinnock dragged the party to the centre and paved the way for the electable Blair I think someone had to drag Labour leftwards to help them find a new position that could be appealing/electable etc but wasn't simply Tory lite.

ok i understand

so a labour voter is praying for no snap general election post boris or May? because they aren't ready?

different answer if corbyn's successor is in place (assuming they appeal to broader groupings)?

Not sure it really matters - Labour is far from having a proposition that makes sense in the near future whether led by Corbyn or anyone else

I don't know.  There looks to be a massive gap for someone to fill.  Couldnt tell you who it is, but why not a rejuvenated labour?