The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

all sorts of good stuff today after May's chameleon conference speech appealing to centre-left and hard right on different issues

[TightEnd]

Brexit was a libertarian dream. It has become a statist one

(this after may talked about interventionism in housing etc)

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/10/brexit-was-libertarian-dream-it-has-become-statist-one

[TightEnd]

Diane James's resignation is very bad news for Labour

http://reaction.life/diane-jamess-resignation-bad-news-labour/

[TightEnd]

"Theresa May is the first Red Tory/Blue Labour leader". said one commentator

here was the FT's read

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[TightEnd]

on the other hand

"The Tories have finally become Ukip "

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/05/the-tories-have-finally-become-ukip

[TightEnd]

in the independent

"Theresa May is a hard-right Tory in Ed Miliband's clothing - don't believe her supposedly centrist speech"

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-speech-conservative-conference-brexit-tory-right-wing-policies-immigration-centre-ground-a7346476.html

[TightEnd]

Here's Diane James' leadership registration form to Electoral Comm with the words Vi Coactus (under duress)

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[TightEnd]

UKIP leadership race kicks off in earnest, as Steven Woolfe puts his name forward. Last time he was disqualified for submitting papers late

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[TightEnd]

Theresa May's conference speech: What she said... and what she really meant.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-speech-conservative-conference-brexit-tory-right-wing-policies-immigration-centre-ground-a7346476.html

[TightEnd]

 Angela Merkel urges German firms to back tough stance in Brexit talks

Chancellor appeals to business leaders to support principle of full single market access only in exchange for free movement

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/angela-merkel-takes-significantly-tougher-brexit-stance?CMP=share_btn_tw

[TightEnd]

Cabinet split on Brexit growing over whether to stay in EU's customs union - 'will see Hammond or Fox walking'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1919730/battle-over-customs-union-will-see-philip-hammond-or-liam-fox-chief-quit-cabinet/

[TightEnd]

"This is why Britain could be heading for the hardest of Brexits"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/eu-cant-always-get-what-eu-want?utm_term=.wg3gErvA0X

[nirvana]

on the other hand

"The Tories have finally become Ukip "

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/05/the-tories-have-finally-become-ukip

Quite a good piece that, incred how the Tories are positioning themselves - just your every day working class national socialists.

Hope Farron and Corbyn can step up to rid us of this scourge....wahahaha

[Woodsey]

on the other hand

"The Tories have finally become Ukip "

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/05/the-tories-have-finally-become-ukip

Quite a good piece that, incred how the Tories are positioning themselves - just your every day working class national socialists.

Hope Farron and Corbyn can step up to rid us of this scourge....wahahaha

I think a lot of people are bit simplistic in their thinking, they largely see a party as just left or right when in reality they can be left on some stuff and right on other stuff so in reality quite broad thinking across the range of issues.That's how I've always thought about stuff myself anyway.

[Skippy]

on the other hand

"The Tories have finally become Ukip "

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/05/the-tories-have-finally-become-ukip

Quite a good piece that, incred how the Tories are positioning themselves - just your every day working class national socialists.

Hope Farron and Corbyn can step up to rid us of this scourge....wahahaha

I think a lot of people are bit simplistic in their thinking, they largely see a party as just left or right when in reality they can be left on some stuff and right on other stuff so in reality quite broad thinking across the range of issues.That's how I've always thought about stuff myself anyway.

I don't think the left/right axis is very helpful in categorising things these days. We've heard about lots of people considering voting for either Labour or UKIP- on the left/right axis, that's quite a long way, but in their minds, it's quite a short trip. I think a new axis might be nationalist/globalist- so on this axis you've got free trade and internationalists on the globalist end, and protectionists and isolationists on the nationalist end. On this axis I'd say Bernie Sanders and Trump might be quite close together, where as on a left right axis they are miles apart.