The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

serious questions

given oil prices and the likelihood of a huge budget deficit post indyref/yes, how would Scotland get on?

the yes voter would take budget and spending cuts in exchange for NewScotland constitutional independence?

pound/euro or new currency post indyref/yes?

Honestly, I don't really care at the minute. The outlook for a Brexited Britain is pretty bleak and unappealing plus I really no longer wish to be associated with Westminster and to a degree England as we clearly have a different perspective as nations.

We're gonna build a wall and they are going to pay for it. Where did I hear that before....lol

[PokerBroker]

serious questions

given oil prices and the likelihood of a huge budget deficit post indyref/yes, how would Scotland get on?

the yes voter would take budget and spending cuts in exchange for NewScotland constitutional independence?

pound/euro or new currency post indyref/yes?

There is more to Scotland's balance sheet than oil.  That is a massive bonus, no doubt, even with it's price plummeting. 

I think we'd be in a pretty good position as an independent nation. 

In terms of currency with the way the £ is goig using the Euro might not be a bad arguement. 

Like Eck, I don't want the association of Westminister and it's politics of hate and scare mongering.  I want to see a more inclusive, prosperous and forward looking country. 

[RickBFA]

serious questions

given oil prices and the likelihood of a huge budget deficit post indyref/yes, how would Scotland get on?

the yes voter would take budget and spending cuts in exchange for NewScotland constitutional independence?

pound/euro or new currency post indyref/yes?

There is more to Scotland's balance sheet than oil.  That is a massive bonus, no doubt, even with it's price plummeting. 

I think we'd be in a pretty good position as an independent nation. 

In terms of currency with the way the £ is goig using the Euro might not be a bad arguement. 

Like Eck, I don't want the association of Westminister and it's politics of hate and scare mongering.  I want to see a more inclusive, prosperous and forward looking country. 

I think Scotland's deficit position if a stand alone country looked pretty horrific given the oil price from the information I heard in the recent past.

[TightEnd]

37% of those who voted for Scottish Independence went on to vote for Brexit reports C4News tonight from BES data

[The Camel]

37% of those who voted for Scottish Independence went on to vote for Brexit reports C4News tonight from BES data

let's be honest, probably two thirds of the electorate are randomly clicking buttons at the best of times.

[Doobs]

"Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising (ref 1). Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic growth. "

http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/uk.html

enjoy the loss of living standard Andrew!

Don't worry his pensions doing great etc etc

There must be something wrong with me, as much as people throw all the downsides at me I can always think of an upside or a way to improve life. I need to do an see a doctor to see if he can help me find some of this doom and gloom, there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it so I should give it a shot to see what it feels like 

Shopping at Aldi isn't an upside, it is just a way to part mitigate the loss.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

[Woodsey]

"Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising (ref 1). Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic growth. "

http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/uk.html

enjoy the loss of living standard Andrew!

Don't worry his pensions doing great etc etc

There must be something wrong with me, as much as people throw all the downsides at me I can always think of an upside or a way to improve life. I need to do an see a doctor to see if he can help me find some of this doom and gloom, there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it so I should give it a shot to see what it feels like  

Shopping at Aldi isn't an upside, it is just a way to part mitigate the loss.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

I shop there regularly out of choice so no sweat to me, I think it's a decent store with some good different brands that just happen to be cheap. Apologies again for finding a positive.....

[Doobs]

"Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising (ref 1). Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic growth. "

http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/uk.html

enjoy the loss of living standard Andrew!

Don't worry his pensions doing great etc etc

There must be something wrong with me, as much as people throw all the downsides at me I can always think of an upside or a way to improve life. I need to do an see a doctor to see if he can help me find some of this doom and gloom, there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it so I should give it a shot to see what it feels like  

Shopping at Aldi isn't an upside, it is just a way to part mitigate the loss.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

I shop there regularly out of choice so no sweat to me, I think it's a decent store with some good different brands that just happen to be cheap. Apologies again for finding a positive.....

It isn't a positive, you've always been able to shop at Aldi, well since they opened anyway.  It isn't something we have gained since we decided to leave the EU.  Similarly, having to slum it at Waitrose isn't a positive if you are used to Fortnum and Mason and butchers sellimg you £40 meat pies. 

I am not sure we can work out the positives yet until we know what Brexit really means.  I know it means Brexit, but other than that it seems pretty cloudy.  Even Jeremey Corbyn can't miss that open goal though.

[Doobs]

"Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising (ref 1). Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic growth. "

http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/uk.html

enjoy the loss of living standard Andrew!

Don't worry his pensions doing great etc etc

There must be something wrong with me, as much as people throw all the downsides at me I can always think of an upside or a way to improve life. I need to do an see a doctor to see if he can help me find some of this doom and gloom, there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it so I should give it a shot to see what it feels like  

Shopping at Aldi isn't an upside, it is just a way to part mitigate the loss.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

I shop there regularly out of choice so no sweat to me, I think it's a decent store with some good different brands that just happen to be cheap. Apologies again for finding a positive.....

It isn't a positive, you've always been able to shop at Aldi, well since they opened anyway.  It isn't something we have gained since we decided to leave the EU.  Similarly, having to slum it at Waitrose isn't a positive if you are used to Fortnum and Mason and butchers sellimg you £40 meat pies. 

I am not sure we can work out the positives yet until we know what Brexit really means.  I know it means Brexit, but other than that it seems pretty cloudy.  Even Jeremey Corbyn can't miss that open goal though.

As an aside, wtf?  https://www.fortnumandmason.com/products/the-imperial-hamper?taxon_id=766.  Think i'll have to make do with the Windsor Hamper this year.  In the good old days Betfair used to send me the champagne and chocolates from there.  Bet Arbboy got the Imperial hamper. 

[Woodsey]

"Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising (ref 1). Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic growth. "

http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/uk.html

enjoy the loss of living standard Andrew!

Don't worry his pensions doing great etc etc

There must be something wrong with me, as much as people throw all the downsides at me I can always think of an upside or a way to improve life. I need to do an see a doctor to see if he can help me find some of this doom and gloom, there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it so I should give it a shot to see what it feels like  

Shopping at Aldi isn't an upside, it is just a way to part mitigate the loss.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

I shop there regularly out of choice so no sweat to me, I think it's a decent store with some good different brands that just happen to be cheap. Apologies again for finding a positive.....

It isn't a positive, you've always been able to shop at Aldi, well since they opened anyway.  It isn't something we have gained since we decided to leave the EU.  Similarly, having to slum it at Waitrose isn't a positive if you are used to Fortnum and Mason and butchers sellimg you £40 meat pies. 

I am not sure we can work out the positives yet until we know what Brexit really means.  I know it means Brexit, but other than that it seems pretty cloudy.  Even Jeremey Corbyn can't miss that open goal though.

It's a positive for me either way, I like the shop, others could benefit too if they are short of a few quid as a result of the pound dropping.

True about what brexit means though, that's why I ignore a lot of the negatives because until we know what deal that is done we simply don't know how it's going to pan out, it's largely guesswork based on assumptions that may or may not actually happen.

[arbboy]

"Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising (ref 1). Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic growth. "

http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/uk.html

enjoy the loss of living standard Andrew!

Don't worry his pensions doing great etc etc

There must be something wrong with me, as much as people throw all the downsides at me I can always think of an upside or a way to improve life. I need to do an see a doctor to see if he can help me find some of this doom and gloom, there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it so I should give it a shot to see what it feels like  

Shopping at Aldi isn't an upside, it is just a way to part mitigate the loss.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

I shop there regularly out of choice so no sweat to me, I think it's a decent store with some good different brands that just happen to be cheap. Apologies again for finding a positive.....

It isn't a positive, you've always been able to shop at Aldi, well since they opened anyway.  It isn't something we have gained since we decided to leave the EU.  Similarly, having to slum it at Waitrose isn't a positive if you are used to Fortnum and Mason and butchers sellimg you £40 meat pies. 

I am not sure we can work out the positives yet until we know what Brexit really means.  I know it means Brexit, but other than that it seems pretty cloudy.  Even Jeremey Corbyn can't miss that open goal though.

As an aside, wtf?  https://www.fortnumandmason.com/products/the-imperial-hamper?taxon_id=766.  Think i'll have to make do with the Windsor Hamper this year.  In the good old days Betfair used to send me the champagne and chocolates from there.  Bet Arbboy got the Imperial hamper. 

Confirmed no imperial hamper.   The year bf sent out the monster F&M hamper it somehow arrived at my brother's house by mistake and his missus trousered it without me even knowing about it for months!  I run bad.

[Marky147]

"Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising (ref 1). Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic growth. "

http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/uk.html

enjoy the loss of living standard Andrew!

Don't worry his pensions doing great etc etc

There must be something wrong with me, as much as people throw all the downsides at me I can always think of an upside or a way to improve life. I need to do an see a doctor to see if he can help me find some of this doom and gloom, there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it so I should give it a shot to see what it feels like  

Shopping at Aldi isn't an upside, it is just a way to part mitigate the loss.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

I shop there regularly out of choice so no sweat to me, I think it's a decent store with some good different brands that just happen to be cheap. Apologies again for finding a positive.....

It isn't a positive, you've always been able to shop at Aldi, well since they opened anyway.  It isn't something we have gained since we decided to leave the EU.  Similarly, having to slum it at Waitrose isn't a positive if you are used to Fortnum and Mason and butchers sellimg you £40 meat pies. 

I am not sure we can work out the positives yet until we know what Brexit really means.  I know it means Brexit, but other than that it seems pretty cloudy.  Even Jeremey Corbyn can't miss that open goal though.

As an aside, wtf?  https://www.fortnumandmason.com/products/the-imperial-hamper?taxon_id=766.  Think i'll have to make do with the Windsor Hamper this year.  In the good old days Betfair used to send me the champagne and chocolates from there.  Bet Arbboy got the Imperial hamper. 

Confirmed no imperial hamper.   The year bf sent out the monster F&M hamper it somehow arrived at my brother's house by mistake and his missus trousered it without me even knowing about it for months!  I run bad.

Nice of her, lol.

[nirvana]

'Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union ?'

'Leave'

'But what does it mean?'

'Er..leave'

'But what about this and what about that'

'Talk to the hand'

[TightEnd]

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[TightEnd]

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‏@eucopresident

The only real alternative to a "hard Brexit" is "no Brexit". Even if today hardly anyone believes in such a possibility.


the BBC's diplomatic editor then posted

Mark Urban ‏@MarkUrban01

This feeds my suspicion that there are key people in Brussels (and Berlin) that still believe the UK might take Brexit off the table