The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[BigAdz]

Do the tories have any polices other than strong and stable leadership, a strong hand in the brexit negotiations, and telling us labour are rubbish?

Lol.

Is that you Jeremy?

Well do they and if they do why don't they share them. 

Well I suppose there is always the rape clause that's a good move oh yeah and ending the tripple lock on pensions and doubling the national debt.  Just what we need from a strong and stable government. 

I love the way the Labourites think if they get into power they would be able to do anything different, bar talk, well, not even a good game.

We have seen time after time, labour spend like Viv Nicholson, then the Tories have to clean up the mess, and Labour moan about the the fact everyone is brassic......

They are clueless, and finally more and more people have caught on.

The Tories dont need to talk about their policies, as they are in the driving seat, and doing quite nicely thank you very much.

[TightEnd]

the funniest political sketch you will ever read

"Sketch: The ups and downs of Diane Abbott's Police Officer Live Salary Tracker

In three minutes and forty eight seconds, the shadow Home Secretary tripled the size of the police force and offered new recruits a 99,300 per cent pay rise"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sketch-the-ups-and-downs-of-diane-abbots-police-officer-live-salary-tracker-labour-general-election-a7713596.html

[TightEnd]

Here it is - Commission guidelines...  https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/annex-recommendation-uk-eu-negotiations_3-may-2017_en.pdf

enjoy (or wait for me to find some cliffs!)

[Sheriff Fatman]

Do the tories have any polices other than strong and stable leadership, a strong hand in the brexit negotiations, and telling us labour are rubbish?

If we'd had a credible opposition for the last two years, we might have stood a chance of finding out.

Without it, the Tories are so confident in their ability to win the election that they've chosen the 'safe' option of saying very little.  It's a strategy which deserves to backfire spectacularly, but there seems little chance of that happening.

So it looks like we have to endure 6 more weeks of "strong and stable" and "coalition of chaos", no meaningful TV debates, no meaningful policy announcements on areas where the Tories are weak (did someone scream out NHS?), and at the end of it the Tories will still romp home to a massive majority and free reign to carry out their right-wing agenda and disastrous-looking policy on Brexit.

Much as I hate it, the Tories are simply playing it tactically.  The real blame for all this lies with Labour, for allowing it to happen under their noses whilst their leadership team were busy patting themselves on the back for being the 'biggest political party in Europe'.

[Longines]

If we'd had a credible opposition for the last two years, we might have stood a chance of finding out.

Without it, the Tories are so confident in their ability to win the election that they've chosen the 'safe' option of saying very little.  It's a strategy which deserves to backfire spectacularly, but there seems little chance of that happening.

So it looks like we have to endure 6 more weeks of "strong and stable" and "coalition of chaos", no meaningful TV debates, no meaningful policy announcements on areas where the Tories are weak (did someone scream out NHS?), and at the end of it the Tories will still romp home to a massive majority and free reign to carry out their right-wing agenda and disastrous-looking policy on Brexit.

Much as I hate it, the Tories are simply playing it tactically.  The real blame for all this lies with Labour, for allowing it to happen under their noses whilst their leadership team were busy patting themselves on the back for being the 'biggest political party in Europe'.

100% this. I'm right of centre, usually vote Tory. May, Johnson, Davis, Fox, Rudd? God help us.

[RickBFA]

Juncker wants £100 billion...ROFL!

but it struck me

The emphasis on money from the EU side is a reminder of how much they need it to avoid Brexit blowing a hole in their budget?

In the long run, this could be where the deal's done: a large, 1-off UK payment (sold to the uk voters as several years contributions only) paving way for tariff free, relatively frictionless access ?

I think you've right Tighty.

I suppose EU have to look like they are playing hard ball to deter voters in other current EU members thinking exit is an easy option.

The EU know its going to leave a hole in their budget, perhaps their hand isn't as strong as they would like to portray publicly.

Logically, they will do some sort of deal and both sides will dress it up as a victory for them.

Going to be interesting to see where it ends up.

[TightEnd]

If we'd had a credible opposition for the last two years, we might have stood a chance of finding out.

Without it, the Tories are so confident in their ability to win the election that they've chosen the 'safe' option of saying very little.  It's a strategy which deserves to backfire spectacularly, but there seems little chance of that happening.

So it looks like we have to endure 6 more weeks of "strong and stable" and "coalition of chaos", no meaningful TV debates, no meaningful policy announcements on areas where the Tories are weak (did someone scream out NHS?), and at the end of it the Tories will still romp home to a massive majority and free reign to carry out their right-wing agenda and disastrous-looking policy on Brexit.

Much as I hate it, the Tories are simply playing it tactically.  The real blame for all this lies with Labour, for allowing it to happen under their noses whilst their leadership team were busy patting themselves on the back for being the 'biggest political party in Europe'.

100% this. I'm right of centre, usually vote Tory. May, Johnson, Davis, Fox, Rudd? God help us.

I can't vote for them (though i don't hear much of other "Tory remainers" saying the same)

Can't vote for Corbyn and his motley crew (could i suppose for a Yvette-led or a more central Labour party under a leader you could actually consider credible)

so that only leaves me Lib Dem or real minor party, both of which in my constituencey a wasted vote

unappetising choices really

[Longines]

unappetising choices really

Quite. They weigh the Tory vote here - 62% - so won't make a difference what I do.

[PokerBroker]

Do the tories have any polices other than strong and stable leadership, a strong hand in the brexit negotiations, and telling us labour are rubbish?

Lol.

Is that you Jeremy?

Well do they and if they do why don't they share them. 

Well I suppose there is always the rape clause that's a good move oh yeah and ending the tripple lock on pensions and doubling the national debt.  Just what we need from a strong and stable government. 

I love the way the Labourites think if they get into power they would be able to do anything different, bar talk, well, not even a good game.

We have seen time after time, labour spend like Viv Nicholson, then the Tories have to clean up the mess, and Labour moan about the the fact everyone is brassic......

They are clueless, and finally more and more people have caught on.

The Tories dont need to talk about their policies, as they are in the driving seat, and doing quite nicely thank you very much.

For starters I am not a Labourite.

Secondly, you talk shit, Labour for all their faults did pretty well for the vast majority of people from 1997.  

But I suppose the mentality of I'm all right mate, screw everyone else of tory voters means that we will forever be stuck in the same rut we are in now as an island.  

Personally, can't wait for the time when Scotland are out of this bastard union.  It won't be long.  T'may burd will destroy the UK.  

[MANTIS01]

Juncker wants £100 billion...ROFL!

could you have scripted a better 10 o clock news last night

item 1. May touring cornwall,saying she is going to be a "bloody difficult woman" with the Europeans. plays great with leave voters

item 2 dianne abbott does Maths. plays great with plenty of voters who can't stand her and it plays to a Labour weak point, can you trust them with the economy etc etc

item 3 Jncker wants a hundred billion. see item 1. Brits want to tell him to get stuffed

Yep and labour are asking what are the policies. This is the policy! Nothing else is required.

For sure Juncker needs to appear dissatisfied, his rhetoric needs to appear stern. But our hand is strong. We don't need to play out negotiations in the press. He ambles into Downing Street asking for £100 billion and playing hard ball over trade. Errr good luck with that. It's not Theresa May suffering from 'illusions' imo.

[Ironside]

so with council elections tomorrow i was encouraged to take the http://uk.isidewith.com/ quiz

i have always said i am a floating voted for tories,snp,libdem,labour,green in one election or another over the past 30 years

this quiz kinda shows i am a floater with only 20% between the leading and losing parties

although there is 0% chance of my voting UKIP,BNP they are likely higher due to my stance on national service fraking and nuclear power/weapons

there is also 0% chance of me voting DUP/PC or SF due to geographical reasons

this means i side with the policies of the major 4 parties in my area at best 68% of time and at worse 59% of time so i have a tough choice to make

with polls opening for the councils tomorrow i wish to ask for you ladies and gentlemen to please make the trip to the polling station
vote or dont vote that is your choice but please respect the people that have died and put there lives at risk to give us that freedom
who you vote for is entirely up to you and you wont get me trying to influence you in one way or another "none of the above" is acceptable IMHO
just take 5 minutes out of your day and make your way to the pollingstation

[PokerBroker]

so with council elections tomorrow i was encouraged to take the http://uk.isidewith.com/ quiz

i have always said i am a floating voted for tories,snp,libdem,labour,green in one election or another over the past 30 years

this quiz kinda shows i am a floater with only 20% between the leading and losing parties

although there is 0% chance of my voting UKIP,BNP they are likely higher due to my stance on national service fraking and nuclear power/weapons

there is also 0% chance of me voting DUP/PC or SF due to geographical reasons

this means i side with the policies of the major 4 parties in my area at best 68% of time and at worse 59% of time so i have a tough choice to make

with polls opening for the councils tomorrow i wish to ask for you ladies and gentlemen to please make the trip to the polling station
vote or dont vote that is your choice but please respect the people that have died and put there lives at risk to give us that freedom
who you vote for is entirely up to you and you wont get me trying to influence you in one way or another "none of the above" is acceptable IMHO
just take 5 minutes out of your day and make your way to the pollingstation

Local elections in Scotland tomorrow are done on an STV basis so you can have a few selections based on preference. 

I have always voted for hard working local councillors, I don't really have a preference on party at local level normally.  What I am sick of though in my area is the cabal that is Labour led council all my adult life, everytime an election comes around they blame everyone else, whilst living the high life. 

[Ironside]

so with council elections tomorrow i was encouraged to take the http://uk.isidewith.com/ quiz

i have always said i am a floating voted for tories,snp,libdem,labour,green in one election or another over the past 30 years

this quiz kinda shows i am a floater with only 20% between the leading and losing parties

although there is 0% chance of my voting UKIP,BNP they are likely higher due to my stance on national service fraking and nuclear power/weapons

there is also 0% chance of me voting DUP/PC or SF due to geographical reasons

this means i side with the policies of the major 4 parties in my area at best 68% of time and at worse 59% of time so i have a tough choice to make

with polls opening for the councils tomorrow i wish to ask for you ladies and gentlemen to please make the trip to the polling station
vote or dont vote that is your choice but please respect the people that have died and put there lives at risk to give us that freedom
who you vote for is entirely up to you and you wont get me trying to influence you in one way or another "none of the above" is acceptable IMHO
just take 5 minutes out of your day and make your way to the pollingstation

Local elections in Scotland tomorrow are done on an STV basis so you can have a few selections based on preference. 

I have always voted for hard working local councillors, I don't really have a preference on party at local level normally.  What I am sick of though in my area is the cabal that is Labour led council all my adult life, everytime an election comes around they blame everyone else, whilst living the high life. 

yeah i remember STV well from last time round when in my local ward Douglas Ross(tory) and Sean Morton(labour) both got in alongside a throw back to the 90s SNP (she was a councilor in the 90s) candidate got in
its been an interesting few years living here

[RickBFA]

Any views on the betfair market on Tory Majority?

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.131146542

[TightEnd]

Any views on the betfair market on Tory Majority?

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.131146542

feels a bit high to me

i know all the reasons why its going to be high and i know there is a huge "cock up" risk every time Labour speak but notions of landslide are fighting two things

a) "we know its going to be a landslide so won't bother voting" low turnout risk
b) "i like my local labour MP, we're not going to get Corbyn as prime minister anyway so we're safe to vote labour" type sentiments. hear this quite a bit


if you are going to go "under" wait for the locals tomorrow, labour doing badly there will see the line on landslide go up