The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Ledders]

How much of the dissatisfaction with Corbyn is in leave areas? Is there any good data on how he fares in London still.

Is there such a thing as a shy Labour voter now in these polls?

My London suburb constituency is nailed on to go Tory which I understand as it used to be before Blair but all these prices around the country do seem to be on the short side

[Sheriff Fatman]

Found this link on the Barnsley fans forum, and thought it was an interesting read.  Grimethorpe is about 4 miles from the village where I grew up.

This is traditional Labour heartland, but one where UKIP took a sizeable chunk of the vote in 2015.  It's also one of the communities which had street parties when Thatcher died, so about as anti-Tory as they come.  It will ultimately still elect a Labour MP, but the vote split this time around will be intriguing, given UKIP's demise and general dis-satisfaction with Labour.  Many of Labour's votes will be on the strength of "I've always voted for them", which shows the value that the 'brand' still has (hence the reluctance of the PLP to want to split the party, if doing so resulted in them losing the Labour identity).

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/the-ex-mining-village-brassed-off-with-jeremy-corbyn-and-theresa-may-1-8522731

[TightEnd]

Is there such a thing as a shy Labour voter now in these polls?

good question.

i have seen some london polling but forget where, will look out for the next set that comes out

[Sheriff Fatman]

Not election-related, but an article that was simultaneously inspiring and depressing for me to read.  Barnsley FC deserve a lot of credit, it seems (this article was the first I'd heard about it).

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/02/jaber-abdullah-refugee-football-asylum-seeker-barnsley

[Woodsey]

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[Doobs]

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How did you manage to get scores that low Woodsey. I got 75% to 82% for the leftie parties and about 30% to 40% for the right wing ones.  So that makes me more Tory than you?? 

FWIW Greens were top.

[Woodsey]

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How did you manage to get scores that low Woodsey. I got 75% to 82% for the leftie parties and about 30% to 40% for the right wing ones.  So that makes me more Tory than you?? 

FWIW Greens were top.

You must be a thick racist 

I actually have a pretty broad spread of opinions that cross the left/right divide from issue to issue. Of course it's its my right opinions that get picked up and highlighted by those who wish to argue and tell you how wrong you are about such stuff, hence the perception....

[Doobs]

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How did you manage to get scores that low Woodsey. I got 75% to 82% for the leftie parties and about 30% to 40% for the right wing ones.  So that makes me more Tory than you?? 

FWIW Greens were top.

You must be a thick racist 

I actually have a pretty broad spread of opinions that cross the left/right divide from issue to issue. Of course it's its my right opinions that get picked up and highlighted by those who wish to argue and tell you how wrong you are about such stuff, hence the perception....

2nd person who has called me that today.  (See TfT) I found out I was a mysogynistic bigot for laughing at Diane Abbott, because clearly she gave us no other reasons to laugh at her yesterday.  FWIW She managed to dig a bigger hole for herself later, by insisting she did know the figures later.  Well, sure you do now Diane, but you sure didn't know them yesterday morning.  Guess that makes me full on thick racist by now.

[Woodsey]

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How did you manage to get scores that low Woodsey. I got 75% to 82% for the leftie parties and about 30% to 40% for the right wing ones.  So that makes me more Tory than you?? 

FWIW Greens were top.

You must be a thick racist 

I actually have a pretty broad spread of opinions that cross the left/right divide from issue to issue. Of course it's its my right opinions that get picked up and highlighted by those who wish to argue and tell you how wrong you are about such stuff, hence the perception....

2nd person who has called me that today.  (See TfT) I found out I was a mysogynistic bigot for laughing at Diane Abbott, because clearly she gave us no other reasons to laugh at her yesterday.  FWIW She managed to dig a bigger hole for herself later, by insisting she did know the figures later.  Well, sure you do now Diane, but you sure didn't know them yesterday morning.  Guess that makes me full on thick racist by now.

In that case I'm probably a far bigger mysogynistic bigot than you 

[TightEnd]

anyone see this this morning?

Click to see full-size image.

i thought farron handled it well, but can't find the video of it to share

a really interesting exchange

"I've voted Labour all my life but this time I'm voting for Theresa May". So intoned former Labour voter Malcolm Baker for the TV cameras this morning - he even rounded it off with a little salute to the Prime Minister's name.

Tory strategists will have been purring watching Baker's rant at Tim Farron this morning. While the Brexiteer certainly raised a few chuckles, the formulation he used, invoking the PM by name, was exactly what the Conservatives have been aiming for since the election campaign got started."

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/opinion/85607/analysis-why-malcolm-bakers-rant

[Longines]

i thought farron handled it well, but can't find the video of it to share

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/fed-hearing-chap-talking-britain-tim-farron-bitter-argument/

[TightEnd]

i thought farron handled it well, but can't find the video of it to share

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/fed-hearing-chap-talking-britain-tim-farron-bitter-argument/

thanks the bit after was good.

not a huge fan of Farron, but he did ok

Tim Farron later said: "That wouldn't have happened to Theresa May because she doesn't talk to anybody normal.

"So, God bless him. He's a regular human being".

Some Liberal Democrats booed Mr Baker. They were quickly rebuked by Tim Farron, who said: "Don't boo him - we're not Corbyn".

After initially walking off, Mr Baker returned for a less heated chat with Mr Farron, joking: "I've got no eggs on me whatsoever."

[rfgqqabc]

Why do people think Theresa May is a strong leader? I know she says she is, but does she actually have a track record? I could see nothing from her previous cabinet positions. Is it just a case of believing what you are told. Why does the 65 year old former Labour supporter think so? Its really bizarre to watch her run on the same "strong and stable" business Cameron did after all the recent events. She seems to have achieved some sort of separation from the Conservatives perhaps because people were tired of the leadership from the party before her? It seems like she is widely respected in parliament so perhaps its a rub off from this perception. The Thatcher esque comparisons are just standard for any female leader in British politics?

Also as an aside despite thinking the Tory slogan is shit but I dont even know the LB or LD ones.



http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36660372

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38641208

[Doobs]

i thought farron handled it well, but can't find the video of it to share

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/fed-hearing-chap-talking-britain-tim-farron-bitter-argument/

thanks the bit after was good.

not a huge fan of Farron, but he did ok

Tim Farron later said: "That wouldn't have happened to Theresa May because she doesn't talk to anybody normal.

"So, God bless him. He's a regular human being".

Some Liberal Democrats booed Mr Baker. They were quickly rebuked by Tim Farron, who said: "Don't boo him - we're not Corbyn".

After initially walking off, Mr Baker returned for a less heated chat with Mr Farron, joking: "I've got no eggs on me whatsoever."

I think he did fine in the circumstances.  He is very right on Theresa May too. 

[Doobs]

Do the tories have any polices other than strong and stable leadership, a strong hand in the brexit negotiations, and telling us labour are rubbish?

Lol.

Is that you Jeremy?

Well do they and if they do why don't they share them. 

Well I suppose there is always the rape clause that's a good move oh yeah and ending the tripple lock on pensions and doubling the national debt.  Just what we need from a strong and stable government. 

the triple lock on pensions probably should be ended. very difficult to do politically

Absolutely agree on this.  Love the WASPI campaign too.   For those unaware, these are women against state pension inequality.  What they are fighting for is inequality wih men and future generations of women (obviously).  Even when we do get round to equal state pension ages, women live longer than men on average, so it could be argued that they should have a "higher" state pension age rather than an equal one if equality is what they really want.