The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[kukushkin88]

Wonder how much closer it would be if JC had the full support of the more centrist MPs in the party for the last 18 months....

or that they'd win comfortably with Yvette as Shadow Home Sec? or xyz as leader (minus all the past security/terror view concerns)?

might not have the same manifesto or the same appeal to young/ non-voters but would get more marginal voters turned off by abbott/security views etc?

we don' t know, all hypothetical

Do you not think that labour under there centre lefts, who tended to be their big remainers, would have risked firing off the lib dem route and getting routed good and proper? The amazing act of this election is the labour manifesto dragging the fight from a head on fight over brexit, where the tories were going to rip them to shreds with no backup from remainers to a fight the tories werent ready for and have had no answers for other than to try to tear it down. I cant imagine a manifesto like this under anyone else. As Im not the first to bring up the nazis, the manifesto is the offensive answer to the brexit maginot line.

The best result of the election will be if young voters are to come out in big numbers, regardless of the result, tired of our elections being dictated by the old, the ones who dont have to endure it on all levels.

Enjoy your holiday, the thread is a credit to you.

Of course we will never know.

We don't know why Labour has made this so close when the Tories had a poll lead of over 20% when the election was called.

Is it down to genuine enthusiasm for JCs leadership and policies, or is it down to Theresa revealling just how useless and without vision she and her cabinet are?

If it's the latter, then it's fairly clear Labour would have won this election under Yvette Cooper (although it probably wouldn't have taken place if she was Labour Leader tbh).

Well think we can safely say they dont call the election.

Labour cabinet are equally tripe though so you have to apportion at least some credit to policy/voters warming to corbyn (his approvals going up this isnt necessarily linked to Mays reducing).

Labour made it about policy.
A totally uncosted manifesto is pretty offensive to lots of people.
People hadn't had an unfiltered interface with Corbyn, they like what they see.
May is awful, not Abbot awful but really really terrible nonetheless.

[The Camel]

Wonder how much closer it would be if JC had the full support of the more centrist MPs in the party for the last 18 months....

or that they'd win comfortably with Yvette as Shadow Home Sec? or xyz as leader (minus all the past security/terror view concerns)?

might not have the same manifesto or the same appeal to young/ non-voters but would get more marginal voters turned off by abbott/security views etc?

we don' t know, all hypothetical

Do you not think that labour under there centre lefts, who tended to be their big remainers, would have risked firing off the lib dem route and getting routed good and proper? The amazing act of this election is the labour manifesto dragging the fight from a head on fight over brexit, where the tories were going to rip them to shreds with no backup from remainers to a fight the tories werent ready for and have had no answers for other than to try to tear it down. I cant imagine a manifesto like this under anyone else. As Im not the first to bring up the nazis, the manifesto is the offensive answer to the brexit maginot line.

The best result of the election will be if young voters are to come out in big numbers, regardless of the result, tired of our elections being dictated by the old, the ones who dont have to endure it on all levels.

Enjoy your holiday, the thread is a credit to you.

Of course we will never know.

We don't know why Labour has made this so close when the Tories had a poll lead of over 20% when the election was called.

Is it down to genuine enthusiasm for JCs leadership and policies, or is it down to Theresa revealling just how useless and without vision she and her cabinet are?

If it's the latter, then it's fairly clear Labour would have won this election under Yvette Cooper (although it probably wouldn't have taken place if she was Labour Leader tbh).

Well think we can safely say they dont call the election.

Labour cabinet are equally tripe though so you have to apportion at least some credit to policy/voters warming to corbyn (his approvals going up this isnt necessarily linked to Mays reducing).

Labour made it about policy.
A totally uncosted manifesto is pretty offensive to lots of people.
People hadn't had an unfiltered interface with Corbyn, they like what they see.
May is awful, not Abbot awful but really really terrible nonetheless.

Theresa thought it would be a cakewalk.

That's why in the early days she mentioned she supported bringing back fox hunting and they put dementia tax in the manifesto.

They thought they could suggest anything and it wouldn't make the merest dent in their poll lead.

I notice she hasn't mentioned her support for fox hunting in the last 3 weeks or so!

[arbboy]

Wonder how much closer it would be if JC had the full support of the more centrist MPs in the party for the last 18 months....

or that they'd win comfortably with Yvette as Shadow Home Sec? or xyz as leader (minus all the past security/terror view concerns)?

might not have the same manifesto or the same appeal to young/ non-voters but would get more marginal voters turned off by abbott/security views etc?

we don' t know, all hypothetical

Do you not think that labour under there centre lefts, who tended to be their big remainers, would have risked firing off the lib dem route and getting routed good and proper? The amazing act of this election is the labour manifesto dragging the fight from a head on fight over brexit, where the tories were going to rip them to shreds with no backup from remainers to a fight the tories werent ready for and have had no answers for other than to try to tear it down. I cant imagine a manifesto like this under anyone else. As Im not the first to bring up the nazis, the manifesto is the offensive answer to the brexit maginot line.

The best result of the election will be if young voters are to come out in big numbers, regardless of the result, tired of our elections being dictated by the old, the ones who dont have to endure it on all levels.

Enjoy your holiday, the thread is a credit to you.

Of course we will never know.

We don't know why Labour has made this so close when the Tories had a poll lead of over 20% when the election was called.

Is it down to genuine enthusiasm for JCs leadership and policies, or is it down to Theresa revealling just how useless and without vision she and her cabinet are?

If it's the latter, then it's fairly clear Labour would have won this election under Yvette Cooper (although it probably wouldn't have taken place if she was Labour Leader tbh).

Well think we can safely say they dont call the election.

Labour cabinet are equally tripe though so you have to apportion at least some credit to policy/voters warming to corbyn (his approvals going up this isnt necessarily linked to Mays reducing).

Labour made it about policy.
A totally uncosted manifesto is pretty offensive to lots of people.
People hadn't had an unfiltered interface with Corbyn, they like what they see.
May is awful, not Abbot awful but really really terrible nonetheless.

Theresa thought it would be a cakewalk.

That's why in the early days she mentioned she supported bringing back fox hunting and they put dementia tax in the manifesto.

They thought they could suggest anything and it wouldn't make the merest dent in their poll lead.

I notice she hasn't mentioned her support for fox hunting in the last 3 weeks or so!

The more i watch her awful interviews and speeches the more she actually has the body mannerisms and facial expressions of a real life spitting image puppet!

Imagine the fun that show would have with this bunch of jokers circa 2017!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitting_Image - for anyone under the age of 35 who is wondering wtf i am talking about!

[Cavey007]

Wonder how much closer it would be if JC had the full support of the more centrist MPs in the party for the last 18 months....

or that they'd win comfortably with Yvette as Shadow Home Sec? or xyz as leader (minus all the past security/terror view concerns)?

might not have the same manifesto or the same appeal to young/ non-voters but would get more marginal voters turned off by abbott/security views etc?

we don' t know, all hypothetical

Do you not think that labour under there centre lefts, who tended to be their big remainers, would have risked firing off the lib dem route and getting routed good and proper? The amazing act of this election is the labour manifesto dragging the fight from a head on fight over brexit, where the tories were going to rip them to shreds with no backup from remainers to a fight the tories werent ready for and have had no answers for other than to try to tear it down. I cant imagine a manifesto like this under anyone else. As Im not the first to bring up the nazis, the manifesto is the offensive answer to the brexit maginot line.

The best result of the election will be if young voters are to come out in big numbers, regardless of the result, tired of our elections being dictated by the old, the ones who dont have to endure it on all levels.

Enjoy your holiday, the thread is a credit to you.

Of course we will never know.

We don't know why Labour has made this so close when the Tories had a poll lead of over 20% when the election was called.

Is it down to genuine enthusiasm for JCs leadership and policies, or is it down to Theresa revealling just how useless and without vision she and her cabinet are?

If it's the latter, then it's fairly clear Labour would have won this election under Yvette Cooper (although it probably wouldn't have taken place if she was Labour Leader tbh).

Well think we can safely say they dont call the election.

Labour cabinet are equally tripe though so you have to apportion at least some credit to policy/voters warming to corbyn (his approvals going up this isnt necessarily linked to Mays reducing).

Labour made it about policy.
A totally uncosted manifesto is pretty offensive to lots of people.
People hadn't had an unfiltered interface with Corbyn, they like what they see.
May is awful, not Abbot awful but really really terrible nonetheless.

Theresa thought it would be a cakewalk.

That's why in the early days she mentioned she supported bringing back fox hunting and they put dementia tax in the manifesto.

They thought they could suggest anything and it wouldn't make the merest dent in their poll lead.

I notice she hasn't mentioned her support for fox hunting in the last 3 weeks or so!

Tbf they barely mentioned any of their policies during most of the process (since the fuck up of the reveal, mainly because they're all bad for people) Most of the propoganda from the Tories I've had to post this week (I work at Royal mail..) doesn't mention their policies at all, they're all just trying to demonise the local candidate and Corbyn. The latest one we got today was all hate. And bordered on a bit of racism too. The fact that their arguement seems to be "at least we haven't got Abbott" says it all really.

[arbboy]

Lovely perfect ethic mix in the background at her rally speech in Slough tonight.  Love how fake and staged all this bullshit is.  So fake in their applause at times i wondered if they were actually paid actors!  They had a proper pop at not just Abbott but the whole Shadow cabinet.  Pretty cringe and desperate looking stuff.

[Cavey007]

Lovely perfect ethic mix in the background at her rally speech in Slough tonight.  Love how fake and staged all this bullshit is.  So fake in their applause at times i wondered if they were actually paid actors!  They had a proper pop at not just Abbott but the whole Shadow cabinet.  Pretty cringe and desperate looking stuff.

When she missed the televised debate that Corbyn turned up to her excuse was she was out visiting proper people in Derby. She was at a planned invite only event at pride park with tory supporters. Right at the start of the campaign Corbyn was on the streets meeting actual real life people. A friend of mine met him and had a good chat with him said he was a lovely bloke. The fact that all the Tories seem to be doing is preying on people's hatred and force-fed (mail, sun and telegraph) biased opinions says it all really.

[arbboy]

Have the Sun officially tied their colours to the Tory mast yet or have we got to wait until Thursday to find out who white van man will be told to vote for?

[kukushkin88]

Have the Sun officially tied their colours to the Tory mast yet or have we got to wait until Thursday to find out who white van man will be told to vote for?

I think given how awful she has been, Rupert feels he can squeeze her hard this time. They will of course be fully behind her before we go to he polls.

[arbboy]

She attended a closed event (i assume) at Longton Rugby club near Stoke today close to two marginal seats hence why i saw the battle bus at lunchtime driving past the bet365 stadium.  I would love to see her wander through the seats of Stoke like Corbs does.

[JohnCharver]

Have the Sun officially tied their colours to the Tory mast yet or have we got to wait until Thursday to find out who white van man will be told to vote for?

The Sun is the Daily Mail for the working class. Has been since Gordon Brown Pissed them off.

[nirvana]

Have the Sun officially tied their colours to the Tory mast yet or have we got to wait until Thursday to find out who white van man will be told to vote for?

I think given how awful she has been, Rupert feels he can squeeze her hard this time. They will of course be fully behind her before we go to he polls.

What price will Rupert extract do you think ?

[JohnCharver]

All the manipulation in Mays campaign has to tell intelligent people like you something arbboy? Even a right leaning voter must think why are they doing it and why do they need to. If corbyn is really a terrorist sympathiser and labour policies are a pipedream then why do the tories need to manipulate people into believing shes being questioned by the public. If you know for a fact we are being manipulated totally by how the media chooses to present things, what are they really hiding.

[arbboy]

Have the Sun officially tied their colours to the Tory mast yet or have we got to wait until Thursday to find out who white van man will be told to vote for?

The Sun is the Daily Mail for the working class. Has been since Gordon Brown Pissed them off.

They normally just wait to the day before then put up the 1/10 or 1/50 fav and chirp afterwards 'we knew' every 5 years

[JohnCharver]

Have the Sun officially tied their colours to the Tory mast yet or have we got to wait until Thursday to find out who white van man will be told to vote for?

The Sun is the Daily Mail for the working class. Has been since Gordon Brown Pissed them off.

They normally just wait to the day before then put up the 1/10 or 1/50 fav and chirp afterwards 'we knew' every 5 years

They were dead against Ed milliband way before elections, never seen his name in the sun where it wasnt "red ed" and their political bloke was so far up camerons arse he was like a father who thinks his kid is the next gazza. Would read it to know but always thought they were quite a big factor in vote determining in their readers. My Dads always been a sun reader and a massive labour supporter, but all Ive heard about the last two labour leaders is negatives, people who read that shit are so easy manipulated.

[arbboy]

All the manipulation in Mays campaign has to tell intelligent people like you something arbboy? Even a right leaning voter must think why are they doing it and why do they need to. If corbyn is really a terrorist sympathiser and labour policies are a pipedream then why do the tories need to manipulate people into believing shes being questioned by the public. If you know for a fact we are being manipulated totally by how the media chooses to present things, what are they really hiding.

I think she is shitting herself for putting her career on the line for what was supposed to be a shoe in, she is effectively playing the last 10 minutes of a match with 9 men 1-0 up and is hanging on for dear life imo.  Doing anything possible in order to fall over the line.  Win, lose or draw she should be fired.  The world is results orientated no matter what the opening price was and how far it drifted to the closing price to indicate how friendless she has been.