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Question: How will you vote on June 8th 2017
Conservative - 28 (29.2%)
Labour - 33 (34.4%)
Lib Dem - 13 (13.5%)
UKIP - 0 (0%)
Green - 1 (1%)
Nationalist party eg SNP, Plaid - 7 (7.3%)
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« Reply #10245 on: June 18, 2017, 08:53:14 PM »


Going to war will either be a de facto scenario or a moral judgement that would be better addressed by discussions with constituents (but in all likelihood will be a government decision). 

MPs don't make many decisions.  If there were no political parties and every vote was a free one where MPs had to consider the wishes of their constituents and the implications of the actual law/policy being considered, I would support a much higher salary.  But that isn't the case at all.

The vote on Syria was a good example. MP's voting against Government planned military intervention.

Decisions like those are a big responsibility which should be made by capable intelligent people. Like it or not, more money brings better candidates in almost every walk of life.





Are you sure?  I've dealt withs ome complete fucktard morons in the past who earn an absolute mint, and they aren't the sharpest. 
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« Reply #10246 on: June 18, 2017, 09:13:04 PM »


Going to war will either be a de facto scenario or a moral judgement that would be better addressed by discussions with constituents (but in all likelihood will be a government decision).  

MPs don't make many decisions.  If there were no political parties and every vote was a free one where MPs had to consider the wishes of their constituents and the implications of the actual law/policy being considered, I would support a much higher salary.  But that isn't the case at all.

The vote on Syria was a good example. MP's voting against Government planned military intervention.

Decisions like those are a big responsibility which should be made by capable intelligent people. Like it or not, more money brings better candidates in almost every walk of life.





Are you sure?  I've dealt withs ome complete fucktard morons in the past who earn an absolute mint, and they aren't the sharpest.  

It's the free market (I know you'll not be a fan), usually the fucktard morons get found out in the end.

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« Reply #10247 on: June 18, 2017, 10:46:21 PM »


Going to war will either be a de facto scenario or a moral judgement that would be better addressed by discussions with constituents (but in all likelihood will be a government decision).  

MPs don't make many decisions.  If there were no political parties and every vote was a free one where MPs had to consider the wishes of their constituents and the implications of the actual law/policy being considered, I would support a much higher salary.  But that isn't the case at all.

The vote on Syria was a good example. MP's voting against Government planned military intervention.

Decisions like those are a big responsibility which should be made by capable intelligent people. Like it or not, more money brings better candidates in almost every walk of life.





Are you sure?  I've dealt withs ome complete fucktard morons in the past who earn an absolute mint, and they aren't the sharpest.  

It's the free market (I know you'll not be a fan), usually the fucktard morons get found out in the end.

** Awaiting a comment about the banking sector




Given there are no vacancies and there are plenty of appicants for each post, wouldn't the free market suggest we pay them less?
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« Reply #10248 on: June 18, 2017, 11:00:18 PM »


Going to war will either be a de facto scenario or a moral judgement that would be better addressed by discussions with constituents (but in all likelihood will be a government decision).  

MPs don't make many decisions.  If there were no political parties and every vote was a free one where MPs had to consider the wishes of their constituents and the implications of the actual law/policy being considered, I would support a much higher salary.  But that isn't the case at all.

The vote on Syria was a good example. MP's voting against Government planned military intervention.

Decisions like those are a big responsibility which should be made by capable intelligent people. Like it or not, more money brings better candidates in almost every walk of life.





Are you sure?  I've dealt withs ome complete fucktard morons in the past who earn an absolute mint, and they aren't the sharpest.  

It's the free market (I know you'll not be a fan), usually the fucktard morons get found out in the end.

** Awaiting a comment about the banking sector




Given there are no vacancies and there are plenty of appicants for each post, wouldn't the free market suggest we pay them less?

You got me there. Badly worded last comment by me.

Having said that, you get a few hundred applications for a Premier League football manager job.

Plenty would do it for nothing. Doesn't mean you'd be daft enough to give them the job does it?
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« Reply #10249 on: June 18, 2017, 11:02:44 PM »

have you seen some of the lemons who get the jobs and the England managers job  idiot
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« Reply #10250 on: June 19, 2017, 01:15:17 PM »

Has Britain ever been more unsafe than now?

Also, why is it that there seems to be more attacks when the Tories are in power.  Is that a coincidence?
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« Reply #10251 on: June 19, 2017, 01:55:08 PM »

Has Britain ever been more unsafe than now?

Also, why is it that there seems to be more attacks when the Tories are in power.  Is that a coincidence?

yes?  IRA, world wars etc

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If one side is in power more then it follows that they will be in charge when more attacks happen no?

In previous decades we also didn't have footage of each attack live streamed or posted 30 seconds after the incident before any news media are aware, back in the day you had to wait for the papers to get to you. We get deluged with 24/7 repeated stories etc so it may feel more oppressive.
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« Reply #10252 on: June 19, 2017, 03:21:30 PM »

Has Britain ever been more unsafe than now?

Also, why is it that there seems to be more attacks when the Tories are in power.  Is that a coincidence?

More that it is complete nonsense than coincidence. Reasonably confident that 9/11  , 7/7, the invasion  of Iraq happened when another party was in power
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« Reply #10253 on: June 19, 2017, 04:37:21 PM »

Has Britain ever been more unsafe than now?

Also, why is it that there seems to be more attacks when the Tories are in power.  Is that a coincidence?

More that it is complete nonsense than coincidence. Reasonably confident that 9/11  , 7/7, the invasion  of Iraq happened when another party was in power

9/11 wasn't an attack on the UK, neither was the War in Iraq.  But they both play a part for sure on geopolitical circumstances. 

But the fact that people are taken to suicide bombs, knife and gun attacks on the street, using vehicles as a weapon etc I understand why people are feeling unsafe. 

You could also argue the case that other organisations who were operating gave fair warning and there were often attacks on infrastructure and economic targets. 

The crazies the now on both sides aren't showing such motives. 
 
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« Reply #10254 on: June 19, 2017, 04:54:56 PM »

Has Britain ever been more unsafe than now?

Also, why is it that there seems to be more attacks when the Tories are in power.  Is that a coincidence?

Terrorists attacks are being driven by ISIS losing ground in the middle east. Tories in power makes no difference, in reality they have done nothing compared to what blair did to incite muslims to attack the UK.
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« Reply #10255 on: June 19, 2017, 04:58:50 PM »

Has Britain ever been more unsafe than now?

Also, why is it that there seems to be more attacks when the Tories are in power.  Is that a coincidence?

Terrorists attacks are being driven by ISIS losing ground in the middle east. Tories in power makes no difference, in reality they have done nothing compared to what blair did to incite muslims to attack the UK.

He was a Tory aswell though tbf.
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« Reply #10256 on: June 19, 2017, 05:05:25 PM »

Has Britain ever been more unsafe than now?

Also, why is it that there seems to be more attacks when the Tories are in power.  Is that a coincidence?

Terrorists attacks are being driven by ISIS losing ground in the middle east. Tories in power makes no difference, in reality they have done nothing compared to what blair did to incite muslims to attack the UK.

He was a Tory aswell though tbf.

I know, and bush did 9/11/
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« Reply #10257 on: June 19, 2017, 05:42:16 PM »

Has Britain ever been more unsafe than now?

Also, why is it that there seems to be more attacks when the Tories are in power.  Is that a coincidence?

Terrorists attacks are being driven by ISIS losing ground in the middle east. Tories in power makes no difference, in reality they have done nothing compared to what blair did to incite muslims to attack the UK.

He was a Tory aswell though tbf.

I know, and bush did 9/11/

Have you not watched House of Cards?
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« Reply #10258 on: June 19, 2017, 07:22:54 PM »

My neighbour did a big fart the other day as he was turning the key to get into his house, he looked around and we exchanged a quick giggle as lads do and he said 'Its the tories fault mate', If you say so mate....  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10259 on: June 19, 2017, 07:35:33 PM »

Day 1 of Brexit negotiations  - was it a u turn, on negotiation sequencing?


http://news.sky.com/story/chief-brexit-negotiators-reveal-timetable-10920653
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