The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[kukushkin88]

"What makes you especially proud to be British?" Tick up to four... Remainers vs Leavers

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Love this one. Magna Carta Leaver's and Royalist Remainer's the surprises to me. Beating the French and Spanish/British Empire, a little funny, a bit sad.

[arbboy]

Incredible list of things.  If you asked me that question and didn't give me any options i wouldnt even think of any of the others apart from the NHS.

[MintTrav]

The key question at PMQs today from Hilary Benn -

"The Prime Minister will be aware that all free trade agreements involve some Customs checks and, therefore, infrastructure at frontiers, which would be completely incompatible with maintaining an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. As the Cabinet Sub-Committee is, apparently, finally today getting round to discussing this, could the Prime Minister explain to the House why she is so closed to the UK remaining in a Customs Union with the EU when, not only would it be better for the British economy than a vague deep & special partnership, whatever that is, but would help to ensure that that border remains as it is today, which is what all of us want?"

Prime Minister - "The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union.........blah blah.....avoid....not answer......etc....."

Difficult spot for her as there is, of course, no answer that achieves all of the desired outcomes. It'll be an interesting discussion when the 'war cabinet' goes to war with itself on this question this afternoon, with Gove, Fox, Boris & Davis facing off against Hammond, Rudd, Greg Clark and David Lidington, with Gavin Williamson and Karen Bradley somewhere in between. Clark has already admitted they're not going to get anywhere.

[nirvana]

Fascinating analysis showing how Twitter has completely changed since the referendum. The Leave cloud was dominant pre-ref and the Remain  ecosystem now outsizes Leave bubble massively.

https://cronycle.com/insights/brexit-2018-jan-edition/

To be expected though I guess..only one side is still campaigning

[TightEnd]

 scoop in Telegraph on a supposed plan by Lord Malloch Brown and George Soros among others to “topple the govt” and prevent Brexit by getting MPs to vote against the final deal regardless of the content.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/07/elitist-remainers-plotting-bring-government-wake-up-call-tory/

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[TightEnd]

Peter Kellner, former president of YouGov, writes an open letter to Jeremy Corbyn following a poll suggesting Labour risks losing votes at the ballot box if it’s seen to back Brexit.

https://infacts.org/corbyn-backing-brexit-means-ballot-box-disaster/

[TightEnd]

Sky News passed all sectoral figures in Brexit impact assessment prepared by Govt officials for Cabinet Internal estimates “non-tariff barriers” costs by sector - ranging as high as 13% for cars, 20% retail... measure of non-frictionless trade with Europe

https://news.sky.com/story/new-brexit-leak-reveals-steep-costs-for-uk-industries-11240583

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[TightEnd]

Hard Brexit would cost public finances £80bn, says secret analysis

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/brexit-north-east-west-midlands-hardest-secret-analysis

Leaked internal Government Brexit assessment shows No Deal economic hit over next decade and a half.

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[TightEnd]

Jacob Rees-Mogg is in line for a huge personal windfall when Britain exits the single market

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jacob-rees-mogg-line-huge-personal-windfall-britain-exits-single-market/07/02/

[TightEnd]

YouGov/Times: CON 43 (+1) LAB 39 (-3) LD 8 (+2)
Fieldwork this week
N~2,000
Writeup https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/poll-lead-brings-relief-for-tory-party-after-infighting-ss929xtmw

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[DungBeetle]

How on earth can opposition be losing?   Defies belief!

[kukushkin88]

How on earth can opposition be losing?   Defies belief!

In a post truth/fact/reality world, nothing should defy belief. Seems standard for the age we live in to me. Also, I continue to doubt the credibility/integrity of the poll but that's a minor consideration really.

[RED-DOG]

How on earth can opposition be losing?   Defies belief!

In a post truth/fact/reality world, nothing should defy belief. Seems standard for the age we live in to me. Also, I continue to doubt the credibility/integrity of the poll but that's a minor consideration really.

Gotta love the pragmatism.

[Doobs]

Jacob Rees-Mogg is in line for a huge personal windfall when Britain exits the single market

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jacob-rees-mogg-line-huge-personal-windfall-britain-exits-single-market/07/02/

I have read that story twice and there is no explanation for the headline.  You could make a case through exchange rates and other countries benefitting from Brexit, but they don't seem remotely interested in doing that.   

Maybe just say Rees Mogg is considerably richer than you whatever happens over Brexit and rehash a few old stories?

[kukushkin88]

Jacob Rees-Mogg is in line for a huge personal windfall when Britain exits the single market

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jacob-rees-mogg-line-huge-personal-windfall-britain-exits-single-market/07/02/

I have read that story twice and there is no explanation for the headline.  You could make a case through exchange rates and other countries benefitting from Brexit, but they don't seem remotely interested in doing that.   

Maybe just say Rees Mogg is considerably richer than you whatever happens over Brexit and rehash a few old stories?

Yeah, it's a dreadful non story. It would be a shame if both sides of the debate went down the disregard reality route.