The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

I guess I thought the UN Charter was enshrined in law, I might be wrong. Still a big shout for the regime to do this, they will be terrified if they hit anything Russian.

At what point do you draw a line in the sand? When they use chemical weapons another once, twice on civilians and children?

If they do nothing it gives the Russians and Assad a green light to do it again.

You don’t think Assad will think about the consequences before doing it again? Wouldn’t this potentially save lives in future?

I meant to apologise for not answering more directly before, two weeks back. I'll try now. Chemical attacks are emotive but he will kill his enemies by a variety of means. Chemical weapons are a small part of the mass murder in Syria.

We all agree that it's tragic when children are killed but let's keep perspective, the so called 'austerity' in the UK kills children as well.

I’ve got no idea how you can even compare a war that’s killed hundreds of thousands with austerity, sounds like you are just desperate to score political points.

So, Syrian civil war estimated deaths 450,000, austerity estimated deaths, 120,000. They are comparable numbers, one of our countries isn't at war, until today.

Ok Dr Googlestein, maybe you should read the other research out there questioning those numbers and what the range of possible causes may be rather than just posting numbers that suit you from google. You never know it might help you have a more rounded opinion on stuff like this rather than trying to compare a ludicrous comparison of disastrous war with govt spending. The jury is also out whether labour would have done a better done given the terrible financial position labour left the Tories to deal with.

So New Labour caused a global financial crisis? Are you serious? I can never tell. It's almost like the infamous jokey note left in the treasury caused so much confusion in the new government they were looking around for money and couldn't find any.

The regime since May took over has, lost power, bought power from religious nutters and worked continually against the interests of its own people to assist the wealthy. Your pension did a little worse under New Labour because they didn't want to run the NHS in to the ground. Are you really saying that running the NHS in to the ground so your pension grows a bit is good? Austerity killed more people than chemical weapons, just so people with plenty could have a little more.

I didn’t say labour caused the crisis, don’t put words in my mouth, but they were responsible for how it was dealt with.....

Yes, despite the poor election campaign by Maybot they are weaker, what is an absolute tragedy for you is that labour could even get elected under those circumstances because Corbyn is a useless clown and unelectable. If labour had any nouse they would fuck off all the momentum bollox get a decent centre left leader and they would have smashed the last election, more the fool them if they can’t get their act together.

Regarding the BMJ article I happen to see a debate about that 3 or 4 months ago at UCLH, it was heavily criticiized and those numbers were questioned. Whilst there is no doubt some extra people will have died because of austerity (doubt it would be much different if labour was in), but there was a whole bunch of factors that contributed to the 120k and you couldn’t pinpoint a number on austerity. Then again you have people with agendas that spin it the way they wish just as you are doing now.....such a ridiculous comparison you were trying to make anyway 

Ohhh.......and the Tories are in, Brexit is happening, so fk you very much  

[kukushkin88]

I’d stop posting before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already are.

It’s bang out of order to compare legitimate economic policy to chemical warfare.

You are posting emotional, ridiculous nonsense. Your desire to find any angle to attack the Tories is just pathetic, but this is the worst effort from you by a long way.

You come across as a bitter and twisted clown.

I'm not sure what you think I'm bitter or twisted about? I'm neither. I'll go to the hustings tomorrow and we'll select the best candidate we can. I'm just observing that we have a failed, desperate and increasingly undemocratic government.

[Woodsey]

I’d stop posting before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already are.

It’s bang out of order to compare legitimate economic policy to chemical warfare.

You are posting emotional, ridiculous nonsense. Your desire to find any angle to attack the Tories is just pathetic, but this is the worst effort from you by a long way.

You come across as a bitter and twisted clown.

I'm not sure what you think I'm bitter or twisted about? I'm neither. I'll go to the hustings tomorrow and we'll select the best candidate we can. I'm just observing that we have a failed, desperate and increasingly undemocratic government.

Which makes labour even more of a failure if they can’t beat them....

[arbboy]

Stella time!!!!!

[Woodsey]

Stella time!!!!!

I should come back in a couple of hours, just on my first vodka now 

[kukushkin88]

I’d stop posting before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already are.

It’s bang out of order to compare legitimate economic policy to chemical warfare.

You are posting emotional, ridiculous nonsense. Your desire to find any angle to attack the Tories is just pathetic, but this is the worst effort from you by a long way.

You come across as a bitter and twisted clown.

I'm not sure what you think I'm bitter or twisted about? I'm neither. I'll go to the hustings tomorrow and we'll select the best candidate we can. I'm just observing that we have a failed, desperate and increasingly undemocratic government.

Which makes labour even more of a failure if they can’t beat them....

We'll see won't we, knowledge is easy to find these days, that'll be enough, if it isn't corrupted. Have we had a worse government by any measure? In other news, Mantis being a Trump fanboy is a highlight :-)

[Woodsey]

I’d stop posting before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already are.

It’s bang out of order to compare legitimate economic policy to chemical warfare.

You are posting emotional, ridiculous nonsense. Your desire to find any angle to attack the Tories is just pathetic, but this is the worst effort from you by a long way.

You come across as a bitter and twisted clown.

I'm not sure what you think I'm bitter or twisted about? I'm neither. I'll go to the hustings tomorrow and we'll select the best candidate we can. I'm just observing that we have a failed, desperate and increasingly undemocratic government.

Which makes labour even more of a failure if they can’t beat them....

We'll see won't we, knowledge is easy to find these days, that'll be enough, if it isn't corrupted. Have we had a worse government by any measure? In other news, Mantis being a Trump fanboy is a highlight :-)

Yes by some measures, just don’t forget the shit they inherited as you always seem to forget that.......and it’s my belief labour would not be doing any better and probably worse by building up a pile of debt far worse than the younger generations will already have to deal with down the road.

[kukushkin88]

I’d stop posting before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already are.

It’s bang out of order to compare legitimate economic policy to chemical warfare.

You are posting emotional, ridiculous nonsense. Your desire to find any angle to attack the Tories is just pathetic, but this is the worst effort from you by a long way.

You come across as a bitter and twisted clown.

I'm not sure what you think I'm bitter or twisted about? I'm neither. I'll go to the hustings tomorrow and we'll select the best candidate we can. I'm just observing that we have a failed, desperate and increasingly undemocratic government.

Which makes labour even more of a failure if they can’t beat them....

We'll see won't we, knowledge is easy to find these days, that'll be enough, if it isn't corrupted. Have we had a worse government by any measure? In other news, Mantis being a Trump fanboy is a highlight :-)

Yes by some measures, just don’t forget the shit they inherited as you always seem to forget that.......and it’s my belief labour would not be doing any better and probably worse by building up a pile of debt far worse than the younger generations will already have to deal with down the road.

Tip of the cap to your slightly more friendly tone. I do think you're confused about "the debt" though. The failure to fund public services is a political war, not an economic decision. No one ever borrowed anything like as much as this government.

[Woodsey]

I’d stop posting before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already are.

It’s bang out of order to compare legitimate economic policy to chemical warfare.

You are posting emotional, ridiculous nonsense. Your desire to find any angle to attack the Tories is just pathetic, but this is the worst effort from you by a long way.

You come across as a bitter and twisted clown.

I'm not sure what you think I'm bitter or twisted about? I'm neither. I'll go to the hustings tomorrow and we'll select the best candidate we can. I'm just observing that we have a failed, desperate and increasingly undemocratic government.

Which makes labour even more of a failure if they can’t beat them....

We'll see won't we, knowledge is easy to find these days, that'll be enough, if it isn't corrupted. Have we had a worse government by any measure? In other news, Mantis being a Trump fanboy is a highlight :-)

Yes by some measures, just don’t forget the shit they inherited as you always seem to forget that.......and it’s my belief labour would not be doing any better and probably worse by building up a pile of debt far worse than the younger generations will already have to deal with down the road.

Tip of the cap to your slightly more friendly tone. I do think you're confused about "the debt" though. The failure to fund public services is a political war, not an economic decision. No one ever borrowed anything like as much as this government.

Of course, but you make it sound like they had a choice as debt was going up when they took over, and you guys criticise it when they try and do something about it. Political war ffs......is that what your comrade mates tell you? Sounds like a load of momentum bollox. Simple political decision and differing ideology nothing more.

As long as you keep away from the condescending shit I will always be friendly, if you haven’t already noticed I give you way more shit when you strike that tone, and you fully deserve it when you do.

[kukushkin88]

I hate disinformation the most, I'll keep researching and posting true things. Please do the same. A beer in London one day, to put a face to a name would be good. You sound crazy to me but it's good to know you're not just a troll.

[arbboy]

I hate disinformation the most, I'll keep researching and posting true things. Please do the same. A beer in London one day, to put a face to a name would be good. You sound crazy to me but it's good to know you're not just a troll.

PPV on sky box office?  Would be some showdown!

[Marky147]

I hate disinformation the most, I'll keep researching and posting true things. Please do the same. A beer in London one day, to put a face to a name would be good. You sound crazy to me but it's good to know you're not just a troll.

PPV on sky box office?  Would be some showdown!

Deffo does more buys than Ward/Kovalev

[Woodsey]

I hate disinformation the most, I'll keep researching and posting true things. Please do the same. A beer in London one day, to put a face to a name would be good. You sound crazy to me but it's good to know you're not just a troll.

You need to question and research the 120k figure you posted yourself mate, don’t just believe stuff that sounds good to you because it backs up your argument. Also separate what you see as ‘facts’ when it’s really just your opinion and something that you or your leftie mates have googled to try and back it up, you can often google the opposite anyway.....

Btw my best mate holds many of the opinions you do, I don’t care. I only give him shit when he starts with the sanctimonious bollox and tell him to STFU and stop being a twat!

[Woodsey]

I hate disinformation the most, I'll keep researching and posting true things. Please do the same. A beer in London one day, to put a face to a name would be good. You sound crazy to me but it's good to know you're not just a troll.

PPV on sky box office?  Would be some showdown!

Deffo does more buys than Ward/Kovalev

Raise even 10k and I’m down for a dust up! 

[kukushkin88]

I hate disinformation the most, I'll keep researching and posting true things. Please do the same. A beer in London one day, to put a face to a name would be good. You sound crazy to me but it's good to know you're not just a troll.

PPV on sky box office?  Would be some showdown!

Deffo does more buys than Ward/Kovalev

Raise even 10k and I’m down for a dust up! 

Ha, I like me in a fight (it's been a while) but you might be 30 kilos heavier than me. I had something more civilised in mind, maybe a quick beer at The Lexington.