redarmi Staking Issue: Sports betting

[mulhuzz]

The police will absolutely laugh at you pads.

Not worth your time. They will say 'this is a civil matter and doesn't require police involvement'

He can't steal something you gave him.

[pleno1]

If I let you use my car for a day and you don't bring it back what's the rule then?

What do you think is best idea to do?

[pleno1]

Again this is not about money it's about justice/my being mugged off.

[mulhuzz]

If I let you use my car for a day and you don't bring it back what's the rule then?

What do you think is best idea to do?

If you lend me your car for a day then it could be theft. If you give me your car when there's an expectation that I might lose the car as a result of my use of it but with the upside that in some undefined period of time you might get two, three or even four cars back then you'll find it hard to argue.

He may have committed a number of offences, but theft definitely isn't one of them. (Many of the 'X by deception' offences, one could argue). Nevertheless, the number of jurisdictions, the time etc involved and the fact that 'its gambling' will make the police just waste your time, even if you're confident that an offence is made out. They will tell you, at length, that this isn't a police matter, because that's what they are trained to do. Avoid paperwork especially for uncertain outcomes.

As to what I would do, honestly, I don't know. He obviously doesn't care about the reputation hit etc and the only way to make him care, probably, is for you to do something which would severely impact your chances of being paid.

I don't think this 'is a thief' stuff helps in general. Who googles people if they aren't considering employing them? Like, it's not like my company Google me every week.

If you choose to tell the employer, that's probably it. Money is gone but you might feel better about it. I honestly don't know.

All I can tell you is that phoning the police will just frustrate, annoy, and tilt you to fuck.

[Doobs]

If I let you use my car for a day and you don't bring it back what's the rule then?

What do you think is best idea to do?

I am not sure the police make a distinction.  FWIW this looks like fraud rather than theft.  It is both a civil and criminal matter in the UK.

[DungBeetle]

If the money wasn't used for betting then it's bank transfer by deception I think? 

[BigAdz]

I think most of us would probably keep emailing, but ultimately write it off to experience.

However,someone in your position that stakes so many people has to ensure they maintain a certain "rep", so I can understand your reasons for not wanting to let this go.

I would give him one final ultimatum, where you call the shots and the schedule for repayment, making it perfectly clear if he doesn't stick to the agreement, you will inform his employers, and probably the bank to whom you made the transfer, and inform the respective parties about what a nice honest fellow he is.

No course of action will guarantee getting your money back, but you can draw a line in the sand, and make yourself feel a little better too.

[sonour]

Pads,

Stu has said he gets paid at the end of July and will make some payments then. Perhaps you should hold fire until 1st August. If we haven't received anything then, I guess he's not intending to pay.

[pleno1]

Pads,

Stu has said he gets paid at the end of July and will make some payments then. Perhaps you should hold fire until 1st August. If we haven't received anything then, I guess he's not intending to pay.

Ok, but this still doesn't mean that in the time between August 2nd-when this thread was started (or way way way earlier) he could/should have wrote us a payment plan, how much was owed, who was getting paid, when we were getting paid and deadlines etc.

If there isn't a satisfactory response from him with a full detailed email involving everything then will make a thread on 2p2/pokerstars thread and make a xxxxisathief.com site.

[sonour]

Fair enough. I think it's wishful thinking on my part. Stu's had a few salary cheques since this all came to light and not sent out any money.

[aaron1867]

Pads,

Stu has said he gets paid at the end of July and will make some payments then. Perhaps you should hold fire until 1st August. If we haven't received anything then, I guess he's not intending to pay.

Ok, but this still doesn't mean that in the time between August 2nd-when this thread was started (or way way way earlier) he could/should have wrote us a payment plan, how much was owed, who was getting paid, when we were getting paid and deadlines etc.

If there isn't a satisfactory response from him with a full detailed email involving everything then will make a thread on 2p2/pokerstars thread and make a xxxxisathief.com site.

make sure you ring the police too lol

[The Camel]

Pads,

Stu has said he gets paid at the end of July and will make some payments then. Perhaps you should hold fire until 1st August. If we haven't received anything then, I guess he's not intending to pay.

Ok, but this still doesn't mean that in the time between August 2nd-when this thread was started (or way way way earlier) he could/should have wrote us a payment plan, how much was owed, who was getting paid, when we were getting paid and deadlines etc.

If there isn't a satisfactory response from him with a full detailed email involving everything then will make a thread on 2p2/pokerstars thread and make a xxxxisathief.com site.

I don't think there is any point inmaking Stuisathief.com.

It's not like he's a member of the poker community or will try to get staked again.

Making that site would just make it even less likely you get paid.

If I was the backer who is owed 20x as much as you I'd be very pissed off if you did something which made it more unlikely I got paid.

[The Camel]

And emailing Pokerstars would be even worse.

What is the most likely outcome of that?

He loses his job. Then you'll be a million to one to ever get your money.

Maybe you think it is what he deserves and you'll be happy at that outcome.

But honestly, do you think it's fair that your actions have meant someone he owes 10k+ won't get his money, just so you've felt you get revenge for not getting your £800?

[Waz1892]

And emailing Pokerstars would be even worse.

What is the most likely outcome of that?

He loses his job. Then you'll be a million to one to ever get your money.

Maybe you think it is what he deserves and you'll be happy at that outcome.

But honestly, do you think it's fair that your actions have meant someone he owes 10k+ won't get his money, just so you've felt you get revenge for not getting your £800?

Isn't that about relativity too.  X 10k, is Y's 800, is  Z's 80.  Still all aggrieved , still dealing with it differently.  No reall right way, and who is to say what the best way is.   

Also if 10k made a website, meaning Y and Z get screwed, how is that right too.

[The Camel]

And emailing Pokerstars would be even worse.

What is the most likely outcome of that?

He loses his job. Then you'll be a million to one to ever get your money.

Maybe you think it is what he deserves and you'll be happy at that outcome.

But honestly, do you think it's fair that your actions have meant someone he owes 10k+ won't get his money, just so you've felt you get revenge for not getting your £800?

Isn't that about relativity too.  X 10k, is Y's 800, is  Z's 80.  Still all aggrieved , still dealing with it differently.  No reall right way, and who is to say what the best way is.   

Also if 10k made a website, meaning Y and Z get screwed, how is that right too.

If it was Y's total bankroll, then maybe you're right.

Much better off discussing a way forward collectively than for one backer to go it alone in his attempts to get his money back.