Re-Entry and Late Reg - Your Views please?

[Doobs]

I am all for people calling me off with bottom pair and bad draws.  Wish it still happened on line.  Sad that people want to put a stop to it live too.

With re-entry, as someone who is a bit of a rec and travels to DTD, same day re-entry makes much more sense than next day.  I don't ever want to come back for an unexpected day B, but would like the choice if I go out early on my original choice.

Late entries do seem silly at times, but I don't get why people think the late starters get a massive advantage.   I'd say late entering online is a big leak of mine, and sure it is true of others.  If someone wants to do a day's work and then blind shove 15 big blinds, let them do it.  Likewise if some people want to burn 30k chips and try to spew their way to a bigger stack on a late day 1, I gain two ways, once from 30k of burned EV, and again from someone playing like a loon. 

Think a lot of people just aren't as good as they used to be, but instead of blaming themselves, blame things that have changed.  The game just left us behind.  If I ever start complaining about people endulging in different types of spew on multiple entries then please ban me from poker immediately.   I am already thinking I am gone at the game at times, and that would be all the proof I need to be sure. 

I'd say the things you can change is getting rid of re-entry after the first 2 or 3 levels for all but the biggest tournaments and definitely lose some day 1s.   I really don't think people are that bothered whether it is a 200k or 300k guarantee for their £50 entry fee.   

Oh and ps, tried the software a bit yesterday.  Cards seem very hard to read and I don't think a cheery message telling me I have a pair of sevens is ever going to go down well when I have just exited.  Just seems a massive rub. 

[Killergibbo]

am with everyone else on this....miss the true freezeout and no re-entry, no rebuy or add-on....don't mind late reg as we all need to late reg now and then

[George2Loose]

I think the far more damaging thing to poker which has contributed to spew is the huge stack sizes that u get in smaller comps these days.

And in general people just love to moan. U can't please all of the people all the time. Switch it back to freeze outs with no late reg and people will still moan when they can't late registration or re enter.

[KarmaDope]

I'm a fan of late reg, but it should only be for the first three levels/first break, no need to have reg until 5.30pm on a 12pm start comp.

Never been a fan of re-entry though and don't understand why poker rooms do it, especially same day. People who re-enter, imo, are more likely to play cash and surely the club wants them to play there? I can understand next day re-entry but these should be capped as well, especially with multiple Day 1's.

Bedi is spot on btw, bring back the 10k or 15k chips, 45 min clock starting at 25/50. Such a better game than having ridiculously large starting stack and increasing blinds to begin. The game does play faster because antes are in play from the start.

[tikay]

Let me throw another spanner into the works:

 If you hate same day re-entry then you will hate the deal with Bank Roll Supply, effectively giving many players on their books free unlimited re-entry tickets, so that they call you for fun with bottom pair or air and try to bad beat you on every hand. The game has no value to the player who has unlimited re-entries and is effectively free rolling the torney!  So Im not exactly sure why rob has created this discussion thread as he is instrumental in this happening in most of the deep stack torneys, I fully understand the business sense behind the decision - of trying to fill an overlay gap in the prize pool, but it spoils the game for the many who have to put up with horrendous beats month after month and all the while leaving a sour taste in the mouth on every occasion.

I am sure if your are a BRS player then you certainly wont agree with the above, but when you are playing for free then life really is good I suppose!!

Don't shoot the messenger, as I have heard the above expressed by many regular players but I am the person vocalising this and after careful consideration do agree with them.

I would imagine Rob is thinking about changing it, but would like some player feedback first. Rob often sounds out players views, which I would say is a good thing.  It's a discussion thread. I wish all cardrooms did that sort of thing.

As to BRS players maybe calling off light - the more the merrier please. Why would you not like that?

[TightEnd]

Rob created a big thread on HUDs etc. i think the aim is there is to go to party with some ammo

now re-entry/late reg....these threads can be good


i agree about big stacks. back when i was playing a lot live i used to think i wanted a big starting stack, but in practice these did as much to create a "false" game as re-entry etc

players still don't understand the stack/clock dynamics though and the big starting stack good, small starting stack bad mantra is still all-pervasive

even online on party in the dtd majors the starting stacks are too big, though late entry and clock levels have been shortened which is something for us old farts who want to be in bed at a reasonable hour

[MANTIS01]

I echo the sentiment of posters so far and find a lot of the buzz lacking from tournament poker these days. A tournament should be clock starts and bang we're away, no re-buys, no late comers, no re-entry. When you're out you're out! That's the only way to create the intoxicating atmosphere and knife-edge tension that make tournaments so appealing.

Trying to accommodate regulars who like to travel and stay in hotels is all well and good but really a poker club wants to promote conditions that suit new players so there's a steady supply of fresh customers. The average bod in the street wont travel and stay in hotels, they relate to say FA cup where the little guy can win and when you're out you're out. That's where the buzz comes from. With the re-entry system the little guy feels dis-advantaged and rightly so. Are they the best conditions to sustain long term growth in new players for a poker club??

[bobAlike]

Prefer no late entry and no re-entry. I can see why people do like these though just not for me. Rarely play tournies now as I don't like this or the guaranteed seats included in may of the games.

If you want to play turn up on time. If you bust early play cash, go to another card room or go home

[booder]

Prefer no late entry and no re-entry. I can see why people do like these though just not for me. Rarely play tournies now as I don't like this or the guaranteed seats included in may of the games.

[mumblesrock]

Let me throw another spanner into the works:

 If you hate same day re-entry then you will hate the deal with Bank Roll Supply, effectively giving many players on their books free unlimited re-entry tickets, so that they call you for fun with bottom pair or air and try to bad beat you on every hand. The game has no value to the player who has unlimited re-entries and is effectively free rolling the torney!  So Im not exactly sure why rob has created this discussion thread as he is instrumental in this happening in most of the deep stack torneys, I fully understand the business sense behind the decision - of trying to fill an overlay gap in the prize pool, but it spoils the game for the many who have to put up with horrendous beats month after month and all the while leaving a sour taste in the mouth on every occasion.

I am sure if your are a BRS player then you certainly wont agree with the above, but when you are playing for free then life really is good I suppose!!

Don't shoot the messenger, as I have heard the above expressed by many regular players but I am the person vocalising this and after careful consideration do agree with them.

I would imagine Rob is thinking about changing it, but would like some player feedback first. Rob often sounds out players views, which I would say is a good thing.  It's a discussion thread. I wish all cardrooms did that sort of thing.

As to BRS players maybe calling off light - the more the merrier please. Why would you not like that?

I am a massive fan of Rob and what he is creating at dtd.  The point I was trying to make is that he is instrumental in using this to the max with some players having unlimited free re-entries,  since he relies on this so heavily especially in the deep stack events, is there really a capacity to change it??

In many peoples opinions this scews the game when you are entering a torney and attempting to play your best poker and navigate through a field, when many others are calling off all their stack with 7 2 and getting there and crucially being told during the break by that player who knocked you out 'that he would never have called his stack off if he didn't have unlimited reloads' that always leave a sour taste!!

Its the same reason why when you have learned the art of poker and consider yourself a decent player and are happy to play at a great venue like DTD, you really go back to playing £1 pots at your mates house or at the local because you know that everyone is calling with anything and the best hand rarely holds up.  I just don't want DTD to have that type of reputation.  
fish food for thought.

[TightEnd]

Let me throw another spanner into the works:

 If you hate same day re-entry then you will hate the deal with Bank Roll Supply, effectively giving many players on their books free unlimited re-entry tickets, so that they call you for fun with bottom pair or air and try to bad beat you on every hand. The game has no value to the player who has unlimited re-entries and is effectively free rolling the torney!  So Im not exactly sure why rob has created this discussion thread as he is instrumental in this happening in most of the deep stack torneys, I fully understand the business sense behind the decision - of trying to fill an overlay gap in the prize pool, but it spoils the game for the many who have to put up with horrendous beats month after month and all the while leaving a sour taste in the mouth on every occasion.

I am sure if your are a BRS player then you certainly wont agree with the above, but when you are playing for free then life really is good I suppose!!

Don't shoot the messenger, as I have heard the above expressed by many regular players but I am the person vocalising this and after careful consideration do agree with them.

I would imagine Rob is thinking about changing it, but would like some player feedback first. Rob often sounds out players views, which I would say is a good thing.  It's a discussion thread. I wish all cardrooms did that sort of thing.

As to BRS players maybe calling off light - the more the merrier please. Why would you not like that?

I am a massive fan of Rob and what he is creating at dtd.  The point I was trying to make is that he is instrumental in using this to the max with some players having unlimited free re-entries,  since he relies on this so heavily especially in the deep stack events, is there really a capacity to change it??

In many peoples opinions this scews the game when you are entering a torney and attempting to play your best poker and navigate through a field, when many others are calling off all their stack with 7 2 and getting there and crucially being told during the break by that player who knocked you out 'that he would never have called his stack off if he didn't have unlimited reloads' that always leave a sour taste!!

Its the same reason why when you have learned the art of poker and consider yourself a decent player and are happy to play at a great venue like DTD, you really go back to playing £1 pots at your mates house or at the local because you know that everyone is calling with anything and the best hand rarely holds up.  I just don't want DTD to have that type of reputation. 
fish food for thought.

mathematically the best hand will hold up to the percentages over the long term yes?

so you want these players in the game, giving you chips?

[arbboy]

Prefer no late entry and no re-entry. I can see why people do like these though just not for me. Rarely play tournies now as I don't like this or the guaranteed seats included in may of the games.

If you want to play turn up on time. If you bust early play cash, go to another card room or go home

This is my problem with the seats issue. So many people think the seats are added.  When you play a £300 deep stack you are paying £60 of your entrance fee towards the value of these seats. They are not added.  I think more than half the people think these seats are added to the cash prize pool from the people I have spoken to about it.  Amazing marketing.

[ruud]

I'd go for:

re-entry, but only on future day 1s.

No add ons or reloads

Late reg, but only up until first break

Seats included to be now and again and only for HUGE events, not every tournament like they seem to be nowadays.

 If that all means smaller guarantees, then so be it.

Level (or as close as possible) playing field FTW. Agree with Matt and others that the fact that this is what it used to be like, and it is not the antithesis for the most part, has led to me playing less and less over the past 18 months or so.

[mumblesrock]

Let me throw another spanner into the works:

 If you hate same day re-entry then you will hate the deal with Bank Roll Supply, effectively giving many players on their books free unlimited re-entry tickets, so that they call you for fun with bottom pair or air and try to bad beat you on every hand. The game has no value to the player who has unlimited re-entries and is effectively free rolling the torney!  So Im not exactly sure why rob has created this discussion thread as he is instrumental in this happening in most of the deep stack torneys, I fully understand the business sense behind the decision - of trying to fill an overlay gap in the prize pool, but it spoils the game for the many who have to put up with horrendous beats month after month and all the while leaving a sour taste in the mouth on every occasion.

I am sure if your are a BRS player then you certainly wont agree with the above, but when you are playing for free then life really is good I suppose!!

Don't shoot the messenger, as I have heard the above expressed by many regular players but I am the person vocalising this and after careful consideration do agree with them.

I would imagine Rob is thinking about changing it, but would like some player feedback first. Rob often sounds out players views, which I would say is a good thing.  It's a discussion thread. I wish all cardrooms did that sort of thing.

As to BRS players maybe calling off light - the more the merrier please. Why would you not like that?

I am a massive fan of Rob and what he is creating at dtd.  The point I was trying to make is that he is instrumental in using this to the max with some players having unlimited free re-entries,  since he relies on this so heavily especially in the deep stack events, is there really a capacity to change it??

In many peoples opinions this scews the game when you are entering a torney and attempting to play your best poker and navigate through a field, when many others are calling off all their stack with 7 2 and getting there and crucially being told during the break by that player who knocked you out 'that he would never have called his stack off if he didn't have unlimited reloads' that always leave a sour taste!!

Its the same reason why when you have learned the art of poker and consider yourself a decent player and are happy to play at a great venue like DTD, you really go back to playing £1 pots at your mates house or at the local because you know that everyone is calling with anything and the best hand rarely holds up.  I just don't want DTD to have that type of reputation. 
fish food for thought.

mathematically the best hand will hold up to the percentages over the long term yes?

so you want these players in the game, giving you chips?

Rich that's a very valid point, the answer is an ironic  'definite maybe YES', unless your on the receiving end I suppose!

I am not bashing rob for doing this as it makes financial sense and clearly he is an astute business man and poker fanatic,  I just hope that it does not detract the many loyal supporters of the club in the longer term.

I am a support of the club, but hope that Rob can navigate through to calmer waters!  bring on pokerfest week!!!  good luck to everyone giving it a bash!!!

[Karabiner]

Prefer no late entry and no re-entry. I can see why people do like these though just not for me. Rarely play tournies now as I don't like this or the guaranteed seats included in may of the games.

If you want to play turn up on time. If you bust early play cash, go to another card room or go home

This is my problem with the seats issue. So many people think the seats are added.  When you play a £300 deep stack you are paying £60 of your entrance fee towards the value of these seats. They are not added.  I think more than half the people think these seats are added to the cash prize pool from the people I have spoken to about it.  Amazing marketing.

For all of the above reasons those seats, having been paid for in full, should also be transferable.

On the re-entry issue, speaking as one of the little guys who is only ever going to have one bullet, it just feels like pissing into the wind what with the higher skilled/bankrolled/staked players having their advantage excacerbated by the current parameters.