Re-Entry and Late Reg - Your Views please?

[mumblesrock]

One could argue that there is No need for re-entries at all as there is an ever increasing amount of day 1 flights to chose from, often two or even three the same day!!

[tonytats]

The rare few that can afford multiple bullets will soon go skint / get fed up never cashing surely ?
Personally I've never figured where lol recs get all these multiple re entries from
I consider my self a lol rec and I won't spend over £100 on a buy in unless I've satellited in ,I've tried bigger buy ins with obv no success and realised my ability level
Maybe there's a lot who havnt / won't do that and keep trying for a big score ??
At what point do they stop ?
Isn't the market saturated with constant £200/500£ "deep stacks " there's something on every weekend somewhere
I understand some win money on other forms of gambling but once again not all of them ??

[tikay]

If I move all in v Mr multiple bullets, I can't rep it, I have to have it. The flip side is, he can rep it and I can't call.

If I move allin vs Mr 1 bullet, he's never going to pay me off. The flip side is, when they move in against me, I will pay them off everytime.

But I have to have it, and most of the time, I don't got it.

Lol, have You ever moved all in and not had it?

He moved in v me with A-9. A-bloody NINE.

Walsall Super Sat, 2004. Ridiculously optimistic.

[Rexas]

I personally feel same day re-entries do kinda spoil things a little and do favour the people with the cash. Yes, the times when some does say "fuck it, lets go, I can just re-enter if I lose" and gets loads of bigs in with a bad hand then we're going to be doing well in EV. I would have supported this whole heartedly back when I had money, but now I can kinda understand the frustration of travelling to a big comp like that, only being able to afford one bullet and being knocked out in this fashion. From a professional standpoint, I guess you'd say if you want to play a tournament that you aren't rolled for then don't play it, but this isn't the view of recreational players (and I would consider myself now to be a recreational tournament player). Next day re-entry I'm completely fine with, but being able to flick it in because you've got cash to reload and can do so immediately is a little unfair on the people without that money and makes the experience less enjoyable imo.

As for late reg, definitely all for this, but it's starting to get a little silly. I played the 6-max yesterday, a £70 £5k gtd side event, which had NINE LEVELS of late reg. That's over 5 hours of grace for what I thought was originally put in place to allow for people getting stuck in traffic or at work. On a bank holiday Monday. To my mind there is absolutely no reason for this, and it's a little annoying to not see the field size shrink at all for nearly half the length of the tournament. Couple of hours late reg max would be much better imo.

[Boba Fett]

Id say 25/25s are the most reasonable when it comes to their late reg and re entry policy.

The last 2 sky poker events at DTD and the last UKIPT there just seemed like they were set up for people to re-enter as many times as possible.

GPS have probably done the most to their re-entry and late reg structure to have players fire as often as possible

[The Wycher]

As a rec player (who does not get to casino's all that often), late reg upto first break makes perfect sense, as it is generally an hour or so trip to casino and with kids etc can often be late.

Don't really like re-entry as does encourage some people to call light etc. Having said that any Rec player is always going to be at a disadvantage anyway as the regulars know they can enter the next comp, or the one after if they get knocked out. Whereas the rec may not get back for a month and therefore this is their one big game so can you really make that hero call for all your chips!.

However, at the end of the day we need the casino's to continue to put the games on and therefore we have to accept the conditions, most players would have a choice of a few casino's at the moment and therefore you pick the game that you prefer.

[tikay]

Id say 25/25s are the most reasonable when it comes to their late reg and re entry policy.

The last 2 sky poker events at DTD and the last UKIPT there just seemed like they were set up for people to re-enter as many times as possible.

GPS have probably done the most to their re-entry and late reg structure to have players fire as often as possible

Agreed. It's that never ending battle between re-entries & Guarantee sizes. We get complaints if we reduce the Guarantee, but I'm not convinced it makes much practical difference. We are generally guided by Rob in these matters, & we very much respect his opinion. He's not always right, of course, but I believe he wants to do what is best for everyone. An impossible dream.

[RedFox]

I really appreciated it when late reg became part of the game as due to work commitments missed many games in my then local casino if my bum wasn't on the seat in time.

Even now when circumstances are against me I find that late reg gets me to a game I would have had to miss, so I want late reg to continue but be limited which in my opinion is to the 3rd level, which surely must enable 95% or more of the expected field to get to in time.

I also feel re-entries need to be looked at. An advice given to me which I still feel appropriate is to treat the re-entry tourney as a freeze out and play your A game from the first card dealt.

Again, the need to meet huge guarantees seems to be the main driver for re-entries and a huge guarantee grabs attention and gives someone a chance to make a wonderful return possibly life changing). As all things I do in life I want to be successful and approach each game with a positive outlook yet realistically my opportunity is limited due to luck and skill factor (not sure which way round there  :-).

Shows my age but doesn't seem many years ago that the then poker regs, messrs Camel, Trumper, Devilfish, Hendon Mob and more would travel the length and breadth of the land to play in a £100 main event which may have had 120 runners max, freezeout too.

I would love a regular monthly 2/3 day competition which would give a good payout say £100,000/150,000 guarantee and with a buy-in, re-entry structure that would enable DTD to meet the guarantees (failing to make guarantees is not good for DTD long term, it is a business after all) and hopefully satisfy the majority of punters (good luck with that).

 

[Ironside]

when i first started playing it was hard to find a freezeout it was all rebuys

rebuys died as people wanted to play freezeouts but re entries have now taken over

boom for the cardroom as they get to charge rake on teh re entry they couldnt on the rebuy

[Marky147]

Just for some balance what was the format of the first ever monthly deepstack at dtd back in the day?  £300 2 days 10k chips, starting blinds 25/50, 40 min clock, proper freezeout/no late entry at all and only 1 day 1?

Only time I've been to DTD for a 300 was in early 2009, which was 10k starting stack, and I think it was a 40min clock.

Turned out to be the worst table draw of my life, because it meant meeting Cute, and I've been listening to him moan it in ever since

Who is "Cute"?

Just a mutual friend of myself and Arb, Tikay

[EvilPie]

Just for some balance what was the format of the first ever monthly deepstack at dtd back in the day?  £300 2 days 10k chips, starting blinds 25/50, 40 min clock, proper freezeout/no late entry at all and only 1 day 1?

Only time I've been to DTD for a 300 was in early 2009, which was 10k starting stack, and I think it was a 40min clock.

Turned out to be the worst table draw of my life, because it meant meeting Cute, and I've been listening to him moan it in ever since

Who is "Cute"?

Just a mutual friend of myself and Arb, Tikay

Mr Lewis??

[arbboy]

Just for some balance what was the format of the first ever monthly deepstack at dtd back in the day?  £300 2 days 10k chips, starting blinds 25/50, 40 min clock, proper freezeout/no late entry at all and only 1 day 1?

Only time I've been to DTD for a 300 was in early 2009, which was 10k starting stack, and I think it was a 40min clock.

Turned out to be the worst table draw of my life, because it meant meeting Cute, and I've been listening to him moan it in ever since

Who is "Cute"?

Just a mutual friend of myself and Arb, Tikay

Blonde member as well.  cutemofo i think his name.

[arbboy]

Just for some balance what was the format of the first ever monthly deepstack at dtd back in the day?  £300 2 days 10k chips, starting blinds 25/50, 40 min clock, proper freezeout/no late entry at all and only 1 day 1?

Only time I've been to DTD for a 300 was in early 2009, which was 10k starting stack, and I think it was a 40min clock.

Turned out to be the worst table draw of my life, because it meant meeting Cute, and I've been listening to him moan it in ever since

Who is "Cute"?

Just a mutual friend of myself and Arb, Tikay

Mr Lewis??

yes

[mumblesrock]

Are ambitious guarantees fuelling the need for card rooms to max out re-entries in order to make their guarantees??  I would love to know what ratio of players are influenced solely by size of the guarantees being offered by card rooms.  When it comes to sub £500 tournaments - DTD are always the top venue on most peoples list, so does a £300k guarantee verses a £200k tournament really create larger fields of unique players?? or are the numbers the same with more of them players willing to fire several bullets??  both sums of money are substantial so I cant see it making much of a difference to most players.

[Marky147]

Just for some balance what was the format of the first ever monthly deepstack at dtd back in the day?  £300 2 days 10k chips, starting blinds 25/50, 40 min clock, proper freezeout/no late entry at all and only 1 day 1?

Only time I've been to DTD for a 300 was in early 2009, which was 10k starting stack, and I think it was a 40min clock.

Turned out to be the worst table draw of my life, because it meant meeting Cute, and I've been listening to him moan it in ever since

Who is "Cute"?

Just a mutual friend of myself and Arb, Tikay

Mr Lewis??

AKA 'Goldenbollocks'