Noisy Neighbours - the Man City thread

[TightEnd]

Stuck for xmas present ideas? Your partner love comedy? Yaya Toure will be playing the Etihad Stadium on Jan 2nd.



(i know its a cheap shot, sorry, just made me chuckle)

[TightEnd]

anyway this is a good read from the NYT that you might not have seen

Pep and his methods, adapting to English football

"This, in essence, is a battle of ideas. Guardiola, in many ways, represents a new way of thinking. Should he thrive, it would not just represent the triumph of his philosophy, but also the failure of so many of the tenets that are central to England’s identity. That is where the vitriol comes from; that is why it has become personal. It is not about Guardiola; it is about us."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/sports/soccer/pep-guardiola-manchester-city-english-premier-league.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

[hhyftrftdr]

Pep not doing so well with his non world beaters

In the 7 years before Pep took charge, how many times you think Bayern Munich won the title?

They won the treble the season before he took over

Yes I'm aware of this, hence posing the question for the previous 7 years.

ok 3 years out of 7. And?

It shows that Bayern weren't exactly crushing German football in the years leading up to his arrival. Yes, he took over the treble winners and obviously a very good squad with all the resources, but it hadn't been a Munich domination in the previous years.

But we all know Pep is a fraud and he's slowly being found out.

[arbboy]

Any comments from the regs about the keeper at the weekend?  Easier to stay silent i suppose after another shocker.

[hhyftrftdr]

Any comments from the regs about the keeper at the weekend?  Easier to stay silent i suppose after another shocker.

I'd say the biggest problem is what's in front of him.

[exstream]

Took over a side that was then the dominant force in Germany, probably 1.1 to win the league, couldn't win the champions league though

Yeah, good manager sure, do think he will fail in England though

[DungBeetle]

Took over a side that was then the dominant force in Germany, probably 1.1 to win the league, couldn't win the champions league though

Yeah, good manager sure, do think he will fail in England though

Pep's overall performance at Bayern was no more than par surely? 

[arbboy]

Took over a side that was then the dominant force in Germany, probably 1.1 to win the league, couldn't win the champions league though

Yeah, good manager sure, do think he will fail in England though

Pep's overall performance at Bayern was no more than par surely?  

How many of these 'super gaffers' are ever anything other than around par every season relative to budgets/financial advantages etc?  Pulis is under par every single season he has been in the EPL for every club he has ever managed.

You could easily take sporting index's pre season points quote for all these gaffers over all their management periods and see which ones have actually performed 'ahead of the spread' so to speak to use an American term.

[exstream]

The special one in the champions league with Porto and milan

[hhyftrftdr]

The special one in the champions league with Porto and milan

And last season and this year.

[exstream]

Still done it with unfancied teams, wouldn't you have preferred mourinho if the goal is the champions league

[hhyftrftdr]

Still done it with unfancied teams, wouldn't you have preferred mourinho if the goal is the champions league

I never want that guy anywhere near my club.

[Archer]

Took over a side that was then the dominant force in Germany, probably 1.1 to win the league, couldn't win the champions league though

Yeah, good manager sure, do think he will fail in England though

Pep's overall performance at Bayern was no more than par surely?  

How many of these 'super gaffers' are ever anything other than around par every season relative to budgets/financial advantages etc?  Pulis is under par every single season he has been in the EPL for every club he has ever managed.

You could easily take sporting index's pre season points quote for all these gaffers over all their management periods and see which ones have actually performed 'ahead of the spread' so to speak to use an American term.

Alex sold City at 75.5 points at the start of the season yet City were pre-season favourites. Using that as a guideline Mancini would have been under par for 2011,2012 and 2013. Pellegrini under par for 2014 & 2015. So I'm not sure how much that will tell you...

You seem to want to run down elite managers. For example you said about Guardiola:  "Easy being 'great' when you have all the financial advantages he has had all of his career and the players he has had at his disposal and operate in leagues with hardly any proper competition year in year out so you can rest for Champions league games." Much of that applies to Ferguson as well. How do you rate Ferguson?

[exstream]

Ferguson net spend was like 200m over his career with man u

[Archer]

Ferguson net spend was like 200m over his career with man u

Yep, gross £546m net £226m. Doesn't sound a lot compared to the current climate and just 2 1/2 Pogbas.  The fact remains they had the biggest financial clout in terms of transfers and wages for the bulk of his time there.  £30 million for Ferdinand 14 years ago. Veron, Rooney  etc.

As for your comment about Mourhinho I wrote this on here a few months back:

I personally think Mourinho is the most odious manager in football and I can’t abide the man. There was talk a while back that he would end up at City and opinion on that on the City boards was well and truly divided. Clearly he has divided opinion at United as well. Now that he is in the door at United I’m happy about it and looking forward to the fireworks because there is something enjoyable about disliking a rival. I’m not looking forward to the charm offensive for the next few months but I wonder how long it will be before he starts with all the crap…

In light of my allegiances I obviously hope it ends in abject failure for the guy. Woodward is calling him the “best manager in the world” but in that regard he has got a lot to prove again. The last 6 years haven’t really been very good for him. 1 league and 1 cup (excluding super cups) with Real Madrid in 3 seasons albeit against a superb Barcelona team. He described his final season at Real in 12/13 as the worse season of his career. Then 1 league and 1 league cup at Chelsea in 3 seasons where they started each season as favourite and 15/16 WAS the worst season of his career.

As for the Champions League where it seems like ages since he has overcome one of the big teams in the knock out rounds.  Losses against Barcelona, Bayern and Dortmund whilst at Real Madrid followed by losses against Atletico and PSG with  Chelsea. Then sacked in 2015/2016 before he had the chance to get knocked out.  Earliest chance he will get to have another stab at it is 2017/2018.