Euro 2016 thread

[BorntoBubble]

Oh dear -  trouble in the stadium - sounds like Russians kicking off.

Looks bad media saying distinct lack of police,steward support. Women and children getting trampled.

[pleno1]

Vardys wife was saying on twitter it was mayhem. After the match Joe Hart was trying to find his family in the crowd to tell the to keep safe.

[TightEnd]

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[Rod Paradise]

Vardys wife was saying on twitter it was mayhem. After the match Joe Hart was trying to find his family in the crowd to tell the to keep safe.

Would he have been better asking Forster or Butland to do it?

[TightEnd]

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[Archer]

Enjoyed the 1st half enormously last night and we should have had the game won by half-time.

Lots of criticism on here (and bile in many other places) about Sterling. I actually thought he was very good in the 1st half but very disappointing from some promising positions in the 2nd half. Definitely a tale of 2 halves for him and I understand the frustration but to mark his overall performance as “awful” is ridiculous.

Thought Hodgson should have pulled him at about 60 mins. In fact very difficult to understand why Hodgson didn’t change it in the 2nd half particularly when you consider the options on the bench. Kane had a poor match and no one has mentioned Lallana who had good moments in the 1st half but was totally anonymous in the 2nd.

I’ve watched a recording of the game again this morning. More to the point it wasn’t really “watching” but more of a crude analysis breaking down the game into segments and looking at specific things. It is something I do relatively regularly for big City games when I’ve seen the game live. One specific “thing” I looked at it this morning was Sterling and to test if my perception that he had a very good 1st first half was over influenced by my City bias. It wasn’t. He was pretty much faultless for the 1st 30 minutes and involved in so much that was good about England’s domination of the early stages.

If anyone has kept a recording, is as sad as me and has the time or inclination, have a look at:

2.36
8.27
11.47
16.39
20.19
23.30  (running through on goal and great defending – would Vardy have done better there?)
30.29  (his 1st mistake when he scuffed an easy ball that would have released Kane)
35.44
39.55


I can also post the times from the 2nd half which didn’t end too well :)

[DungBeetle]

Enjoyed the 1st half enormously last night and we should have had the game won by half-time.

Lots of criticism on here (and bile in many other places) about Sterling. I actually thought he was very good in the 1st half but very disappointing from some promising positions in the 2nd half. Definitely a tale of 2 halves for him and I understand the frustration but to mark his overall performance as “awful” is ridiculous.

Thought Hodgson should have pulled him at about 60 mins. In fact very difficult to understand why Hodgson didn’t change it in the 2nd half particularly when you consider the options on the bench. Kane had a poor match and no one has mentioned Lallana who had good moments in the 1st half but was totally anonymous in the 2nd.

I’ve watched a recording of the game again this morning. More to the point it wasn’t really “watching” but more of a crude analysis breaking down the game into segments and looking at specific things. It is something I do relatively regularly for big City games when I’ve seen the game live. One specific “thing” I looked at it this morning was Sterling and to test if my perception that he had a very good 1st first half was over influenced by my City bias. It wasn’t. He was pretty much faultless for the 1st 30 minutes and involved in so much that was good about England’s domination of the early stages.

If anyone has kept a recording, is as sad as me and has the time or inclination, have a look at:

2.36
8.27
11.47
16.39
20.19
23.30  (running through on goal and great defending – would Vardy have done better there?)
30.29  (his 1st mistake when he scuffed an easy ball that would have released Kane)
35.44
39.55


I can also post the times from the 2nd half which didn’t end too well :)

I didn't think Sterling had a good game overall, but I agree my perception was clouded by the second half and I likely didn't given him credit for the 1st half when as you say he was part of a strong England performance.  I think he suffers criticism due to his price tag that City paid for him.  Whenever I see him play I always immediately think of him as "the £50 million pound player" and expect a strong performance which is unfair as the price City paid isn't his fault.

[hhyftrftdr]

Sterling was like various England players, good in the first half but faded in the 2nd. His end product is frustrating, no getting away from that. His best work is sometimes off the ball, dragging people out of position and out of their comfort zones, and this ultimately frees up space for others to exploit.

It does look sometimes that the price tag weighs on his shoulders, which as pointed out is silly as it was nothing to do with him.

Why the fuck does Kane take corners? Does anyone actually know the reasoning or logic behind it?

[Sportshead]

Sterling was like various England players, good in the first half but faded in the 2nd. His end product is frustrating, no getting away from that. His best work is sometimes off the ball, dragging people out of position and out of their comfort zones, and this ultimately frees up space for others to exploit.

It does look sometimes that the price tag weighs on his shoulders, which as pointed out is silly as it was nothing to do with him.

Why the fuck does Kane take corners? Does anyone actually know the reasoning or logic behind it?

Sterling just looks massively short of confidence as he has all season

The Kane thing just baffles me.......it's not as if his delivery is particularly good,he did say he is just following orders
How bad can the likes of Lallana or Wayne( the new Pirlo 😂)Rooney be at taking them?

[david3103]

Sterling was like various England players, good in the first half but faded in the 2nd. His end product is frustrating, no getting away from that. His best work is sometimes off the ball, dragging people out of position and out of their comfort zones, and this ultimately frees up space for others to exploit.

It does look sometimes that the price tag weighs on his shoulders, which as pointed out is silly as it was nothing to do with him.

Why the fuck does Kane take corners? Does anyone actually know the reasoning or logic behind it?

Woy knows.

[david3103]

Enjoyed the 1st half enormously last night and we should have had the game won by half-time.

Lots of criticism on here (and bile in many other places) about Sterling. I actually thought he was very good in the 1st half but very disappointing from some promising positions in the 2nd half. Definitely a tale of 2 halves for him and I understand the frustration but to mark his overall performance as “awful” is ridiculous.

Thought Hodgson should have pulled him at about 60 mins. In fact very difficult to understand why Hodgson didn’t change it in the 2nd half particularly when you consider the options on the bench. Kane had a poor match and no one has mentioned Lallana who had good moments in the 1st half but was totally anonymous in the 2nd.

I’ve watched a recording of the game again this morning. More to the point it wasn’t really “watching” but more of a crude analysis breaking down the game into segments and looking at specific things. It is something I do relatively regularly for big City games when I’ve seen the game live. One specific “thing” I looked at it this morning was Sterling and to test if my perception that he had a very good 1st first half was over influenced by my City bias. It wasn’t. He was pretty much faultless for the 1st 30 minutes and involved in so much that was good about England’s domination of the early stages.

If anyone has kept a recording, is as sad as me and has the time or inclination, have a look at:

2.36
8.27
11.47
16.39
20.19
23.30  (running through on goal and great defending – would Vardy have done better there?)
30.29  (his 1st mistake when he scuffed an easy ball that would have released Kane)
35.44
39.55


I can also post the times from the 2nd half which didn’t end too well :)

Did you log the times when Hart kicked for touch? His distribution of the ball is poor considering he is England's No1.

[JohnCharver]

My fav hart moment was when he threw the ball off his defenders head when going upfield.

The whole team need to stop passing for the sake of it as it was so obvious where they were going to go. Loads of times people were left space and tried to thread the needle instead of committing defenders. I think we need goals from the two wide men and that would mean it's better vardy plays even if it's a bit unbalanced. Townsend would have had a field day in the llamas position, baffling we try to play like this with lack of wide players we took.

Modric, is so special like.

[Archer]

Enjoyed the 1st half enormously last night and we should have had the game won by half-time.

Lots of criticism on here (and bile in many other places) about Sterling. I actually thought he was very good in the 1st half but very disappointing from some promising positions in the 2nd half. Definitely a tale of 2 halves for him and I understand the frustration but to mark his overall performance as “awful” is ridiculous.

Thought Hodgson should have pulled him at about 60 mins. In fact very difficult to understand why Hodgson didn’t change it in the 2nd half particularly when you consider the options on the bench. Kane had a poor match and no one has mentioned Lallana who had good moments in the 1st half but was totally anonymous in the 2nd.

I’ve watched a recording of the game again this morning. More to the point it wasn’t really “watching” but more of a crude analysis breaking down the game into segments and looking at specific things. It is something I do relatively regularly for big City games when I’ve seen the game live. One specific “thing” I looked at it this morning was Sterling and to test if my perception that he had a very good 1st first half was over influenced by my City bias. It wasn’t. He was pretty much faultless for the 1st 30 minutes and involved in so much that was good about England’s domination of the early stages.

If anyone has kept a recording, is as sad as me and has the time or inclination, have a look at:

2.36
8.27
11.47
16.39
20.19
23.30  (running through on goal and great defending – would Vardy have done better there?)
30.29  (his 1st mistake when he scuffed an easy ball that would have released Kane)
35.44
39.55


I can also post the times from the 2nd half which didn’t end too well :)

Did you log the times when Hart kicked for touch? His distribution of the ball is poor considering he is England's No1.

No I didn't log his long ball distribution because it is something that can be quickly looked up on a "match stat" site.  All his short passes were ok and he misplaced 11 long balls. On the face of it that sounds lots doesn't it? It is, however, pretty standard for Hart because he averaged 10 inaccurate long balls per game in the PL last season.

I would have thought there must be room for improvement there and you certainly won't catch me, or for that matter probably any City fan,  shouting from the rooftops suggesting Hart has great distribution.

As you are a United fan, how do you feel about De Gea's distribution?
Are you in the same camp as BorntoBubble who said last night  "maybe I'm blessed watching DDG every week who is immense at distribution"?
Are you aware, as great a goalkeeper as DDG is, that he averaged nearly 11 inaccurate long balls per game in the PL last season? Coincidentally the same number as Hart last night....

[david3103]

Enjoyed the 1st half enormously last night and we should have had the game won by half-time.

Lots of criticism on here (and bile in many other places) about Sterling. I actually thought he was very good in the 1st half but very disappointing from some promising positions in the 2nd half. Definitely a tale of 2 halves for him and I understand the frustration but to mark his overall performance as “awful” is ridiculous.

Thought Hodgson should have pulled him at about 60 mins. In fact very difficult to understand why Hodgson didn’t change it in the 2nd half particularly when you consider the options on the bench. Kane had a poor match and no one has mentioned Lallana who had good moments in the 1st half but was totally anonymous in the 2nd.

I’ve watched a recording of the game again this morning. More to the point it wasn’t really “watching” but more of a crude analysis breaking down the game into segments and looking at specific things. It is something I do relatively regularly for big City games when I’ve seen the game live. One specific “thing” I looked at it this morning was Sterling and to test if my perception that he had a very good 1st first half was over influenced by my City bias. It wasn’t. He was pretty much faultless for the 1st 30 minutes and involved in so much that was good about England’s domination of the early stages.

If anyone has kept a recording, is as sad as me and has the time or inclination, have a look at:

2.36
8.27
11.47
16.39
20.19
23.30  (running through on goal and great defending – would Vardy have done better there?)
30.29  (his 1st mistake when he scuffed an easy ball that would have released Kane)
35.44
39.55


I can also post the times from the 2nd half which didn’t end too well :)

Did you log the times when Hart kicked for touch? His distribution of the ball is poor considering he is England's No1.

No I didn't log his long ball distribution because it is something that can be quickly looked up on a "match stat" site.  All his short passes were ok and he misplaced 11 long balls. On the face of it that sounds lots doesn't it? It is, however, pretty standard for Hart because he averaged 10 inaccurate long balls per game in the PL last season.

I would have thought there must be room for improvement there and you certainly won't catch me, or for that matter probably any City fan,  shouting from the rooftops suggesting Hart has great distribution.

As you are a United fan, how do you feel about De Gea's distribution?
Are you in the same camp as BorntoBubble who said last night  "maybe I'm blessed watching DDG every week who is immense at distribution"?
Are you aware, as great a goalkeeper as DDG is, that he averaged nearly 11 inaccurate long balls per game in the PL last season? Coincidentally the same number as Hart last night....

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

I'm not surprised at the figures, although they are a very base way of measuring the efficacy of a keeper's distribution. I cba to check but I wouldn't be surprised if Schmeichel's numbers were good as he had the option of lumping it upfield and having Jamie Vardy chasing it.
DDG probably had the ball passed to him a lot more than Hart last season bearing in mind United's position in the sideways and backwards pass league, his 11 per game might only have been a small percentage. Whereas Hart was playing for the ever expansive Manchester City and maybe only had to distribute the ball 12 times a game

My issue last night was that Hart didn't seem capable of keeping it on the pitch.

[Woodsey]

Sick of these wankers that want to fuck up things for everyone else by fighting.

The U.K. Govt should just offer up a bunch of SAS troops to hit them hard at the first hint of trouble and lob them in a back of a van and back home on the first cargo plane.

I'm sure the Russians would be equally effective also given the nod....