WSOP 2016

[DMorgan]

It went bet-raise-fold on the river according to the pokerlistings article

The 2p2 thread about it has been deleted and his twitter made private

Make of that what you will...

[david3103]

Didn't Vicky C-M fold quads vs Flushy a few years ago? If I'm right, I think she was right, with Flushy showing.

My mistake, she called, and was wrong.

http://www.victoriacoren.com/main/blog/archive/interesting_hands_in_bristol_poker_post


Mikhail Smirnov folded in the One Drop, but we don't know whether that was good.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/13631-mikhail-smirnov-mucks-quad-eights-in-1-million-event

[cambridgealex]

The guy has the 2nd nuts.  Just because he has quads doesn't mean he can't fold them right depending on the action. 

Most important question though was he right to fold?

It's a live read situation, so we are never going to know that one. Sadly. Stats would help on bet sizes.

I am sure we all have stories of having made hero folds where it's gone well and where it certainly hasn't.

The real question for me is, if you were the pot winner, would you show:

1) if you had 
2) if you had 
3) if you had 
4) if you had   

Option in the first case just to show one card, too, of course.

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I think we can say it was bad.  Even if he just does this with kings and a straight flush, the odds say we must call.  I thibk he overthought it.  It is pretty hard to get a read between kings full and a straight flush.   

Fella has been playing too much omaha.

What if the action pre meant the bloke could never have KK?! Maybe this dude called last in from the big blind in a 4 way pot or something.

Insane to make a judgement on the hand without no1 WAY more info lol.

[The Camel]

It went bet-raise-fold on the river according to the pokerlistings article

The 2p2 thread about it has been deleted and his twitter made private

Make of that what you will...

Why on earth was the 2+2 thread deleted?

[Doobs]

The guy has the 2nd nuts.  Just because he has quads doesn't mean he can't fold them right depending on the action. 

Most important question though was he right to fold?

It's a live read situation, so we are never going to know that one. Sadly. Stats would help on bet sizes.

I am sure we all have stories of having made hero folds where it's gone well and where it certainly hasn't.

The real question for me is, if you were the pot winner, would you show:

1) if you had 
2) if you had 
3) if you had 
4) if you had   

Option in the first case just to show one card, too, of course.

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I think we can say it was bad.  Even if he just does this with kings and a straight flush, the odds say we must call.  I thibk he overthought it.  It is pretty hard to get a read between kings full and a straight flush.   

Fella has been playing too much omaha.

What if the action pre meant the bloke could never have KK?! Maybe this dude called last in from the big blind in a 4 way pot or something.

Insane to make a judgement on the hand without no1 WAY more info lol.

It is just significantly more likely to be a bad fold than a good one.  I don't have sick live reads like you and Deadman though.  I don't even think just calling in the big blind with kings is impossible.  Some people just like to get tricky pre and go nuts post. 

Guess we'll never know though.

Maybe it has just been badly misreported and that explains tge deletions.  Maybe he just had the one 7, and then made a much more sensible fold?  Who knows?

[kp24]

17 Benjamin Vinson GB 503,600 Amazon / 355 / 3
23 Tom Middleton SLIDSEN, GB 471,600 Amazon / 346 / 2
45 Fraser MacIntyre AYR, GB 424,000 Amazon / 427 / 9
46 Hector Alvarez GB 420,700 Brasilia / 75 / 9
48 Giulio Mascolo LONDON, GB 411,200 Amazon / 364 / 2
63 Kuljinder Sidhu GB 394,400 Pavilion / 161 / 6
96 Liv Boeree EAST MOLESY, GB 364,400 Brasilia / 30 / 7
126 Matthew Ashton LIVERPOOL, GB 342,100 Amazon / 445 / 6
127 Max Silver LONDON, GB 341,600 Amazon / 443 / 5
129 Sergi Reixach BOURNEMOUTH, GB 340,400 Amazon / 407 / 9
131 Jason Mcconnon MANCHESTER, GB 339,900 Brasilia / 32 / 9
139 Luke Brereton GB 336,100 Pavilion / 171 / 2
141 Scott Margereson GB 335,300 Amazon / 414 / 3
178 Pratik Ghatge GB 314,700 Brasilia / 82 / 3
197 Jordan Westmorland BILLINGHAM, GB 305,300 Pavilion / 150 / 3
202 Elliott Peterman HERTS, GB 300,900 Amazon / 359 / 7
219 Antoine Saout LONDRES, GB 291,100 Amazon / 423 / 4
222 Waikiat Lee SALFORD, GB 290,000 Amazon / 464 / 7
230 Matt Davenport CHESHIRE, GB, GB 285,100 Brasilia / 47 / 2
288 Ben Farrell GB 270,000 Brasilia / 72 / 2
320 David Nicholson LEEDS, GB 258,000 Brasilia / 76 / 5
325 David Lhonore GB 257,200 Brasilia / 9 / 7
408 Harry Lodge HAYWARDS HEATH, GB 233,200 Brasilia / 55 / 4
418 Daniel Ocallaghan HARTLEPOOL, GB 231,000 Amazon / 386 / 9
435 Adam Franks LONDON, GB 227,300 Pavilion / 148 / 4
438 Ben Middleton MANCHESTER, GB 226,100 Brasilia / 7 / 6
479 Mitchell Johnson ALVASTON DERBY, GB 217,100 Amazon / 453 / 9
483 David Vamplew FIFE, GB 216,400 Brasilia / 68 / 4
485 William Chattaway GB 216,400 Brasilia / 83 / 9
502 Oleh Tolstenko GB 212,200 Brasilia / 79 / 1
507 Robert Cowen SWANSEA, GB 210,800 Amazon / 442 / 9
546 Thomas High GB 204,500 Amazon / 394 / 7
547 Yiannis Liperis GB 204,300 Amazon / 357 / 5
594 Toby Lewis SOUTHAMPTON, GB 196,500 Amazon / 346 / 6
629 Thomas Macdonald GB 192,700 Amazon / 410 / 9
715 Robert Heidorn LONDON, GB 179,000 Brasilia / 91 / 5
773 Iaron Lightbourne LONDON, GB 170,500 Amazon / 386 / 7
796 Benny Glaser SOUTHAMPTON, GB 167,800 Brasilia / 27 / 2
808 Alex Lindop STOKE-ON-TRENT, GB 167,000 Amazon / 402 / 5
834 Ho Lee EDINBURGH, GB 162,400 Brasilia / 22 / 7
848 Andoni Larrabe Sanchez LONDRES, GB 161,100 Amazon / 423 / 5
862 Mauro Suriano LODON, GB 159,600 Amazon / 357 / 7
883 Christopher O'donnell SOUTHAMPTON, GB 156,000 Brasilia / 64 / 9
884 Edmund Yeung GUILOFORD, GB 155,600 Pavilion / 154 / 1
886 Jamie Brown BIRCHINGTON, GB 155,400 Amazon / 363 / 8
942 Paul Alterman LONDON, GB 148,400 Amazon / 426 / 6
961 Rupom Pal ESSEX, GB 145,800 Brasilia / 62 / 1
964 Rhys Jones FAREHAM, GB 145,500 Amazon / 431 / 8
979 Jiushuang Wang GB 144,100 Amazon / 395 / 3
995 Matthew Moss LONDON, GB 142,700 Amazon / 464 / 3
1031 Robert Tinnion GB 138,000 Pavilion / 160 / 7
1046 Kevin Allen ROMFORD, GB 135,900 Amazon / 353 / 3
1110 Alex Goulder NOTTINGHAM, GB 130,000 Amazon / 386 / 3
1134 Matas Cimbolas LONDON, GB 127,800 Brasilia / 24 / 7
1161 Robin Fisher SUNNINGHILL ASCOT, GB 125,000 Amazon / 384 / 2
1177 Alfie Adam LONDON, GB 123,100 Brasilia / 6 / 5
1211 Julian Gardner WILMSLOW CHESHINE, GB 119,100 Amazon / 356 / 7
1248 Darren Judges WALTHAM ABBEY, GB 114,900 Brasilia / 65 / 7
1249 Tim Hickling MANCHESTER, GB 114,900 Amazon / 456 / 5
1255 Christopher Gordon SOUTHEND-ON-SEA, GB 114,400 Brasilia / 43 / 5
1283 Roberto Romanello SWANSEA, GB 111,100 Brasilia / 68 / 5
1290 Christopher Scholes LONDON, GB 110,300 Amazon / 437 / 8
1323 Andrew Christoforou POTTRT, GB 106,600 Brasilia / 31 / 1
1328 Jeffrey Duvall ROYAL HERBERT, GB 106,100 Pavilion / 151 / 4
1360 George Mcdonald GLASGOW, GB 103,700 Brasilia / 47 / 5
1373 Kerryjane Craigie SEVENOAKS, GB 102,400 Amazon / 415 / 4
1414 Neil Channing LONDON, GB 98,100 Amazon / 347 / 7
1454 Robert Buky HERTFORDSHIRE, GB 93,600 Amazon / 464 / 4
1465 Daniel Bland LONDON, GB 92,500 Amazon / 370 / 4
1473 Vera Kelleher LONDON, GB 92,000 Brasilia / 19 / 3
1476 Ben Fitzgerald RUISLIP, GB 91,600 Amazon / 464 / 9
1482 Oysein Kristoffersen LONDON, GB 90,600 Amazon / 443 / 2
1492 Simon Deadman NOTTINGHAM, GB 90,000 Brasilia / 40 / 5
1532 Adam Reynolds CHESHUNT, GB 86,400 Amazon / 392 / 3
1552 Mark Banin LONDON, GB 84,600 Amazon / 438 / 9
1553 Jonathan Somekh LONDON, GB 84,600 Brasilia / 42 / 9
1557 Timothy Dearing LONDON, GB 84,200 Brasilia / 66 / 8
1566 William Kassouf RICKMANSWORTH, GB 83,500 Pavilion / 165 / 3
1604 Michael Howard LEEDS, GB 80,000 Brasilia / 27 / 1
1610 Andriy Lyubovetskiy GB 79,200 Pavilion / 160 / 9
1612 Derek Chisholm BERWICKSHIRE, GB 79,000 Brasilia / 74 / 1
1702 Andrew Fleming BRISTOL, GB 70,300 Amazon / 372 / 8
1731 Daniel Rudd ESSEX, GB 67,300 Amazon / 456 / 9
1772 Stephen Chidwick DEAL, GB 63,100 Amazon / 347 / 8
1802 Mike Ellis LONDON, GB 61,000 Amazon / 362 / 1
1809 Teddy Sheringham LONDON, GB 60,500 Amazon / 426 / 9
1840 Anthony Forsyth-Forrest MARLBOROUGH, GB 57,300 Amazon / 435 / 8
1863 Paul Newey DORSET, GB 55,200 Amazon / 461 / 3
1889 Stafford Hamilton TAMWORTH, GB 52,800 Brasilia / 40 / 1
1969 Martin Malone GB 45,900 Amazon / 360 / 5
2008 Thomas Hall SHREWSBURY, GB 41,500 Amazon / 348 / 4
2124 Jake Cody ROCHDALE, GB 22,000 Pavilion / 171 / 9


Thats everyone listed as GB. Good luck to all.

Great to see an old mate of tikays mark banin in the list

[tikay]

17 Benjamin Vinson GB 503,600 Amazon / 355 / 3
23 Tom Middleton SLIDSEN, GB 471,600 Amazon / 346 / 2
45 Fraser MacIntyre AYR, GB 424,000 Amazon / 427 / 9
46 Hector Alvarez GB 420,700 Brasilia / 75 / 9
48 Giulio Mascolo LONDON, GB 411,200 Amazon / 364 / 2
63 Kuljinder Sidhu GB 394,400 Pavilion / 161 / 6
96 Liv Boeree EAST MOLESY, GB 364,400 Brasilia / 30 / 7
126 Matthew Ashton LIVERPOOL, GB 342,100 Amazon / 445 / 6
127 Max Silver LONDON, GB 341,600 Amazon / 443 / 5
129 Sergi Reixach BOURNEMOUTH, GB 340,400 Amazon / 407 / 9
131 Jason Mcconnon MANCHESTER, GB 339,900 Brasilia / 32 / 9
139 Luke Brereton GB 336,100 Pavilion / 171 / 2
141 Scott Margereson GB 335,300 Amazon / 414 / 3
178 Pratik Ghatge GB 314,700 Brasilia / 82 / 3
197 Jordan Westmorland BILLINGHAM, GB 305,300 Pavilion / 150 / 3
202 Elliott Peterman HERTS, GB 300,900 Amazon / 359 / 7
219 Antoine Saout LONDRES, GB 291,100 Amazon / 423 / 4
222 Waikiat Lee SALFORD, GB 290,000 Amazon / 464 / 7
230 Matt Davenport CHESHIRE, GB, GB 285,100 Brasilia / 47 / 2
288 Ben Farrell GB 270,000 Brasilia / 72 / 2
320 David Nicholson LEEDS, GB 258,000 Brasilia / 76 / 5
325 David Lhonore GB 257,200 Brasilia / 9 / 7
408 Harry Lodge HAYWARDS HEATH, GB 233,200 Brasilia / 55 / 4
418 Daniel Ocallaghan HARTLEPOOL, GB 231,000 Amazon / 386 / 9
435 Adam Franks LONDON, GB 227,300 Pavilion / 148 / 4
438 Ben Middleton MANCHESTER, GB 226,100 Brasilia / 7 / 6
479 Mitchell Johnson ALVASTON DERBY, GB 217,100 Amazon / 453 / 9
483 David Vamplew FIFE, GB 216,400 Brasilia / 68 / 4
485 William Chattaway GB 216,400 Brasilia / 83 / 9
502 Oleh Tolstenko GB 212,200 Brasilia / 79 / 1
507 Robert Cowen SWANSEA, GB 210,800 Amazon / 442 / 9
546 Thomas High GB 204,500 Amazon / 394 / 7
547 Yiannis Liperis GB 204,300 Amazon / 357 / 5
594 Toby Lewis SOUTHAMPTON, GB 196,500 Amazon / 346 / 6
629 Thomas Macdonald GB 192,700 Amazon / 410 / 9
715 Robert Heidorn LONDON, GB 179,000 Brasilia / 91 / 5
773 Iaron Lightbourne LONDON, GB 170,500 Amazon / 386 / 7
796 Benny Glaser SOUTHAMPTON, GB 167,800 Brasilia / 27 / 2
808 Alex Lindop STOKE-ON-TRENT, GB 167,000 Amazon / 402 / 5
834 Ho Lee EDINBURGH, GB 162,400 Brasilia / 22 / 7
848 Andoni Larrabe Sanchez LONDRES, GB 161,100 Amazon / 423 / 5
862 Mauro Suriano LODON, GB 159,600 Amazon / 357 / 7
883 Christopher O'donnell SOUTHAMPTON, GB 156,000 Brasilia / 64 / 9
884 Edmund Yeung GUILOFORD, GB 155,600 Pavilion / 154 / 1
886 Jamie Brown BIRCHINGTON, GB 155,400 Amazon / 363 / 8
942 Paul Alterman LONDON, GB 148,400 Amazon / 426 / 6
961 Rupom Pal ESSEX, GB 145,800 Brasilia / 62 / 1
964 Rhys Jones FAREHAM, GB 145,500 Amazon / 431 / 8
979 Jiushuang Wang GB 144,100 Amazon / 395 / 3
995 Matthew Moss LONDON, GB 142,700 Amazon / 464 / 3
1031 Robert Tinnion GB 138,000 Pavilion / 160 / 7
1046 Kevin Allen ROMFORD, GB 135,900 Amazon / 353 / 3
1110 Alex Goulder NOTTINGHAM, GB 130,000 Amazon / 386 / 3
1134 Matas Cimbolas LONDON, GB 127,800 Brasilia / 24 / 7
1161 Robin Fisher SUNNINGHILL ASCOT, GB 125,000 Amazon / 384 / 2
1177 Alfie Adam LONDON, GB 123,100 Brasilia / 6 / 5
1211 Julian Gardner WILMSLOW CHESHINE, GB 119,100 Amazon / 356 / 7
1248 Darren Judges WALTHAM ABBEY, GB 114,900 Brasilia / 65 / 7
1249 Tim Hickling MANCHESTER, GB 114,900 Amazon / 456 / 5
1255 Christopher Gordon SOUTHEND-ON-SEA, GB 114,400 Brasilia / 43 / 5
1283 Roberto Romanello SWANSEA, GB 111,100 Brasilia / 68 / 5
1290 Christopher Scholes LONDON, GB 110,300 Amazon / 437 / 8
1323 Andrew Christoforou POTTRT, GB 106,600 Brasilia / 31 / 1
1328 Jeffrey Duvall ROYAL HERBERT, GB 106,100 Pavilion / 151 / 4
1360 George Mcdonald GLASGOW, GB 103,700 Brasilia / 47 / 5
1373 Kerryjane Craigie SEVENOAKS, GB 102,400 Amazon / 415 / 4
1414 Neil Channing LONDON, GB 98,100 Amazon / 347 / 7
1454 Robert Buky HERTFORDSHIRE, GB 93,600 Amazon / 464 / 4
1465 Daniel Bland LONDON, GB 92,500 Amazon / 370 / 4
1473 Vera Kelleher LONDON, GB 92,000 Brasilia / 19 / 3
1476 Ben Fitzgerald RUISLIP, GB 91,600 Amazon / 464 / 9
1482 Oysein Kristoffersen LONDON, GB 90,600 Amazon / 443 / 2
1492 Simon Deadman NOTTINGHAM, GB 90,000 Brasilia / 40 / 5
1532 Adam Reynolds CHESHUNT, GB 86,400 Amazon / 392 / 3
1552 Mark Banin LONDON, GB 84,600 Amazon / 438 / 9
1553 Jonathan Somekh LONDON, GB 84,600 Brasilia / 42 / 9
1557 Timothy Dearing LONDON, GB 84,200 Brasilia / 66 / 8
1566 William Kassouf RICKMANSWORTH, GB 83,500 Pavilion / 165 / 3
1604 Michael Howard LEEDS, GB 80,000 Brasilia / 27 / 1
1610 Andriy Lyubovetskiy GB 79,200 Pavilion / 160 / 9
1612 Derek Chisholm BERWICKSHIRE, GB 79,000 Brasilia / 74 / 1
1702 Andrew Fleming BRISTOL, GB 70,300 Amazon / 372 / 8
1731 Daniel Rudd ESSEX, GB 67,300 Amazon / 456 / 9
1772 Stephen Chidwick DEAL, GB 63,100 Amazon / 347 / 8
1802 Mike Ellis LONDON, GB 61,000 Amazon / 362 / 1
1809 Teddy Sheringham LONDON, GB 60,500 Amazon / 426 / 9
1840 Anthony Forsyth-Forrest MARLBOROUGH, GB 57,300 Amazon / 435 / 8
1863 Paul Newey DORSET, GB 55,200 Amazon / 461 / 3
1889 Stafford Hamilton TAMWORTH, GB 52,800 Brasilia / 40 / 1
1969 Martin Malone GB 45,900 Amazon / 360 / 5
2008 Thomas Hall SHREWSBURY, GB 41,500 Amazon / 348 / 4
2124 Jake Cody ROCHDALE, GB 22,000 Pavilion / 171 / 9


Thats everyone listed as GB. Good luck to all.

Great to see an old mate of tikays mark banin in the list

Ha, he used to be known as "Prince Charles", though I was never quite sure why.

[tikay]

Play has just started.

The atmo in there today is crackling.

It is expected that the money bubble will be reached sometime today, probably in the level just after the Dinner Break. That'll be around 8pm Vegas, 4am UK.

It's all rather exciting, truth to tell, always LOVE this day at the WSOP.

If anyone wants chip counts or my superb photos, just shout, I'm fairly quiet for the next few hours, until the Droplet starts.

[Tal]

Teddy Teddy Teddy Teddy Sheringham, please (surely one for the Grudge Match while he's free?)

And Liv Boeree please. Only if smiling, though. If we wanted grumpy pictures, we'd be requesting pics of His Royal Amboness.

[kp24]

Teddy Teddy Teddy Teddy Sheringham, please (surely one for the Grudge Match while he's free?)

And Liv Boeree please. Only if smiling, though. If we wanted grumpy pictures, we'd be requesting pics of His Royal Amboness.

Was surprised he went into mangenment seemed to enjoying playing poker and golf,don't understand why mark was called that maybe tikay could shed some light on that

[tikay]

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[tikay]

I think my photography is really improving.

What do you reckon to this?