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« Reply #375 on: April 28, 2016, 05:57:43 PM »

'Trump has to convince the general electorate that he isn't Hitler.  Hillary Clinton has to convince the general electorate that she isn't Hillary Clinton.'
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« Reply #376 on: April 30, 2016, 12:29:35 PM »

if it came to it, beyond Christie who is Trump's most likely VP running mate?

It’s quite risky to take on the role of being Trump’s running mate as you could end up being tarred with all the views he has expressed, and for what? To be the junior partner on a probable losing ticket. I would say it is too risky for young starry politicians like Rubio or Haley, though those particular ones are probably ruled out anyway by previous statements they have made about him. Trump could end up like George McGovern, with everyone refusing a place on the ticket. Don’t expect a young ambitious Senator who has a bright future to take the risk. It is expected to be someone older who is not risking much, in that they are unlikely to be a major contender in the future.

Candidates have often picked a running mate who complements them and brings support from a different section of the electorate, either because they are associated with different policies or issues or because they come from a different part of the nation. Kennedy/Johnson must be the classic example, but Obama/Biden, McCain/Palin, Dole/Kemp, Dukakis/Bentsen, Bush/Quayle, Carter/Mondale and several others all fit one or more of these. Clinton/Gore was the major exception, combining two Southern moderates.

Trump has mentioned several possible running mates, from Ted Cruz to Oprah Winfrey. This week he suggested Oklahoma Gov Mary Fallin. Giuliani has just suggested Kasich or Condoleezza Rice, which seems daft. I think both would be great picks, but Kasich has said he won’t do it and her Bush ties and the lesbian thing would surely rule out Condy. Scott Walker, Gov of Wisconsin and first of the 17 Presidential contenders to fall, has been mentioned, but that seems crazy after all the bad blood between the two of them so recently during the Wisconsin Primary. It surely has to be someone who didn't run for President, as Trump has fallen out with almost all of them except Carson and Christie. Carson endorsed him and gave him some of his best advisors, and said that Trump offered him a job. You're really not supposed to do that; it's illegal. Guess which job it won't be, Ben. Christie - yeah, right...get out of here. Trump seems capable of coming up with any curveball you can imagine, but playing the standard game on this is surely the best option.  

The most mentioned possibilities are: 
Indiana Gov Mike Pence
New Mexico Gov Susana Martinez
Florida Gov Rick Scott

The first two were mentioned as possible Presidential contenders at one stage. Pence has just endorsed Cruz, which probably takes him out of it, though he said he likes Trump too, so you never know. Martinez is Hispanic and a woman, two plus factors these days. Bill O'Reilly says it has to be her. Scott is a dark horse. Very conservative, he could deliver Florida, which the last couple of Republican candidates couldn't do.

One of Trump's sons has said that his father wants someone who knows his way round Washington corridors, which Trump doesn't, which would suggest that a Senator may be more likely than a Governor. The standout choice is Jeff Sessions from Alabama. He is an arch-conservative who looks like a natural Cruz man, but has supported Trump from an early stage. He could attract support from parts of the electorate that Trump can't reach. Many conservative Cruz supporters are currently saying they won't vote for Trump, so having Sessions on board might win them over. Being from the South also helps.

If I had to choose, I would say Jeff Sessions, closely followed by Susana Martinez, but it could be someone no-one has considered. Nobody had Sarah Palin on their short-list!
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« Reply #377 on: May 02, 2016, 01:25:37 AM »

Obama:

"Eight years ago I said it was time to change the tone of our politics. In hindsight, I clearly should have been more specific."

"Next year at this time, someone else will be standing here in this very spot, and it's anyone's guess who she will be."

"Guests were asked to check whether they wanted steak or fish, but instead a whole bunch of you wrote in Paul Ryan."
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« Reply #378 on: May 02, 2016, 08:31:40 PM »

Guns will be banned at the Republican convention, although the State of Ohio allows them. So someone has started an online petition for them to be allowed "in order to ensure the safety of your supporters, delegates and all attendees". This puts the party leaders in an awkward position. On the one hand, they and their delegates (and candidates) are the very people who are always banging on about how gun-free zones are dangerous and if only guns were allowed in crowded indoor areas like schools and cinemas, mass killers would be dealt with quickly and everyone would be safer. On the other hand, they don't want someone to get killed at the convention. Emotions are going to be running very high this time and there is going to be a lot of frustration and anger in the air. Also, a lot of alcohol is consumed at these events.

The petition quotes the argument used all the time by gun supporters: "without the right to protect themselves, those at the Quicken Loans Arena will be sitting ducks, utterly helpless against evil-doers, criminals or others who wish to threaten the American way of life”. The Republicans have been cornered and, in a delicious irony, are being forced to either live by their own convictions or be shown to be hypocritical. No doubt, some of them agree with the petition, but others don't want to be shot.

There is a suspicion that the petition was started as a joke or troll. The site hosting the petition says “our understanding is that this is not satire – the starter is pro-open carry – but it is a protest petition designed to point out GOP hypocrisy on guns”.

So far, the petition has collected more than 50,000 signatures. How those divide between genuine supporters, left-wingers kicking an exposed flank and mischief-makers just enjoying the situation is unclear, though comments on the site suggest that all of the above are involved.
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« Reply #379 on: May 02, 2016, 08:32:14 PM »

https://www.change.org/p/quicken-loans-arena-allow-open-carry-of-firearms-at-the-quicken-loans-arena-during-the-rnc-convention-in-july-2

RECOGNIZE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO OPEN CARRY FIREARMS AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION AT THE QUICKEN LOANS ARENA IN JULY 2016

SUMMARY: In July of 2016, the GOP will host its convention at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio. Though Ohio is an open carry state, which allows for the open carry of guns, the hosting venue—the Quicken Loans Arena—strictly forbids the carry of firearms on their premises.

According to the policy on their website, "firearms and other weapons of any kind are strictly forbidden on the premises of Quicken Loans Arena."

This is a direct affront to the Second Amendment and puts all attendees at risk. As the National Rifle Association has made clear, "gun-free zones" such as the Quicken Loans Arena are "the worst and most dangerous of all lies." The NRA, our leading defender of gun rights, has also correctly pointed out that "gun free zones... tell every insane killer in America... (the) safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk." (March 4, 2016 and Dec. 21, 2012)

Cleveland, Ohio is consistently ranked as one of the top ten most dangerous cities in America. By forcing attendees to leave their firearms at home, the RNC and Quicken Loans Arena are putting tens of thousands of people at risk both inside and outside of the convention site.

This doesn't even begin to factor in the possibility of an ISIS terrorist attack on the arena during the convention. Without the right to protect themselves, those at the Quicken Loans Arena will be sitting ducks, utterly helpless against evil-doers, criminals or others who wish to threaten the American way of life.

All three remaining Republican candidates have spoken out on the issue and are unified in their opposition to Barack HUSSEIN Obama's "gun-free zones."

Donald Trump said "I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools—you have—and on military bases on my first day. It gets signed my first day...you know what a gun-free zone is to a sicko? That's bait." (Jan. 8. 2016)

Ted Cruz has accurately pointed out "shooting after shooting after shooting happens in so called gun-free zones." He continued, "look, if you're a lunatic ain't nothing better then having a bunch of targets you know that are going to be unarmed." (Dec. 4, 2015)

And Ohio Governor John Kasich has been a leader in this movement to eliminate deadly "gun-free zones" starting with his brave decision to fight the Democrats and end "gun-free zones" at National Guard facilities in Ohio. (Dec. 18, 2015)

We are all too familiar with the mass carnage that can occur when citizens are denied their basic God-given rights to carry handguns or assault weapons in public. EVERY AMERICAN HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THEIR FAMILY. With this irresponsible and hypocritical act of selecting a "gun-free zone" for the convention, the RNC has placed its members, delegates, candidates and all US citizens in grave danger.

We must take a stand. We cannot allow the national nominating convention of the party of Lincoln and Reagan to be hijacked by weakness and political correctness. The policies of the Quicken Loans Arena do not supersede the rights given to us by our Creator in the U.S. Constitution.

THEREFORE, WE ARE CALLING TODAY FOR THE FOLLOWING FIVE POINTS OF ACTION:

1. From the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland: A suspension of their policy preventing the open carry of firearms on the premises of the arena from July 18-21, 2016 to coincide with the Republican National Convention.

2. From the National Rifle Association: An immediate condemnation of the egregious affront to the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution constituted by the "gun-free zone" loophole to the state law.

3. From Ohio Governor John Kasich: A concerted effort to use his executive authority to override the "gun-free zone" loophole being exploited by the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio.

4. From Reince Priebus and the Republican National Committee: An explanation of how a venue so unfriendly to Second Amendment rights was chosen for the Republican Convention. Further, we demand a contingency plan to relocate the convention to another location should the Quicken Loans Arena refuse to honor the constitutional rights of the RNC guests to open carry firearms during the convention.

5. From all Republican candidates for President: You have been brave in raising awareness about the immense dangers posed by "gun-free zones." In order to ensure the safety of your supporters, delegates and all attendees at the convention in July, you must call upon the RNC to rectify this affront to our Second Amendment freedoms and insist upon a suspension of the Quicken Loans Arena's unconstitutional "gun-free zone" loophole. Every American is endowed with a God-given Constitutional right to carry a gun wherever and whenever they please.
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« Reply #380 on: May 02, 2016, 09:15:44 PM »

Have guns been allowed at Trump rallys? Given that there has been violence at pretty much all of them, seems amazing nobody has been shot yet.
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« Reply #381 on: May 02, 2016, 09:47:01 PM »

Have guns been allowed at Trump rallys? Given that there has been violence at pretty much all of them, seems amazing nobody has been shot yet.

No, not allowed. They haven't been allowed at the Republican debates either. There was an earlier petition that they should be allowed at Trump rallies, but it received virtually no attention.

https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-allow-guns-at-trump-rallies

They are also banned from Trump buildings, which he has said he will "review". I wouldn't expect a policy change any time soon.
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« Reply #382 on: May 02, 2016, 10:07:58 PM »

Fiorina drops out:


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« Reply #383 on: May 03, 2016, 10:43:51 AM »

Totally unprecedented to have candidates who are so strongly disliked by so many people (data by @forecasterenten)

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« Reply #384 on: May 03, 2016, 11:24:17 AM »

Have guns been allowed at Trump rallys? Given that there has been violence at pretty much all of them, seems amazing nobody has been shot yet.

It's because Trump's supporter's can show restraint.

If Trump supporters had descended onto Bernie's rallies and behaved like animals (like Bernie's supporters do disrupting Trump's rallies), there'd have been a massacre.
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« Reply #385 on: May 03, 2016, 11:46:58 AM »

Have guns been allowed at Trump rallys? Given that there has been violence at pretty much all of them, seems amazing nobody has been shot yet.

It's because Trump's supporter's can show restraint.

If Trump supporters had descended onto Bernie's rallies and behaved like animals (like Bernie's supporters do disrupting Trump's rallies), there'd have been a massacre.

Sadly, this is completely true. Well, at least about the Bernie supporters. Bernie is hands down the nicest most peace loving candidate, but his supporters have been absolutely awful and its largely been ignored by the media.
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« Reply #386 on: May 03, 2016, 12:15:25 PM »

Have guns been allowed at Trump rallys? Given that there has been violence at pretty much all of them, seems amazing nobody has been shot yet.

It's because Trump's supporter's can show restraint.

If Trump supporters had descended onto Bernie's rallies and behaved like animals (like Bernie's supporters do disrupting Trump's rallies), there'd have been a massacre.

Sadly, this is completely true. Well, at least about the Bernie supporters. Bernie is hands down the nicest most peace loving candidate, but his supporters have been absolutely awful and its largely been ignored by the media.

I don't know where to begin.

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« Reply #387 on: May 03, 2016, 12:31:48 PM »

"A new poll from Rasmussen Reports shows Donald Trump edging Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical general election match-up. The poll, of likely voters, finds Trump with 41 percent, followed closely by Clinton with 39 percent."

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/02/poll-trump-edges-clinton-voters-pushed/

He hasn't even started on her yet
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« Reply #388 on: May 03, 2016, 01:09:18 PM »

"A new poll from Rasmussen Reports shows Donald Trump edging Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical general election match-up. The poll, of likely voters, finds Trump with 41 percent, followed closely by Clinton with 39 percent."

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/02/poll-trump-edges-clinton-voters-pushed/

He hasn't even started on her yet

Not quite the whole picture

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

Maybe we'll have to see what happens after the impending massacre?
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« Reply #389 on: May 03, 2016, 01:14:21 PM »

Not quite the whole picture

Indeed, much like the majority of this thread.
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