next newcastle manager

[Rooky9]

Not sure I can make 12 off there website over the ten... can get to nine... but thats over ten not nine years!

League Titles: 1996-97 2000-01 2002-03    

Champs League: 1997-98 1999-00 2001-02

UEFA Super Cup: 2002
Intercontinental Titles: 1998 2002    

Spanish Super Cup: 1997 2001 2003

Yep, the three bolded I discounted on the grounds that they aren't proper competitions....Spanish super cup is rated less highly than the carling cup.

That is under achieving still for Real Madrid and with the money spent... ITS IS ALL RELATIVE, hence why Waford aren't compared with Chelsea's titles....

[Rooky9]

How do you measure under achieving? in the last nine or ten years Real have only won the league twice, they have two european trophies and the lesser of the spanish cups twice too... Its all relative! £45m Figo, £50 Zidane, £22 Ronaldo, £25m Beckham then theres the some of the more recent purchses £13m Wodgate, £20 Ramos (for an 18 year old defender!), 18m Robino.... Baptista was about £12m too! The list goes on.....It's impossible to get a £ per cup and compare it because our figure is infinitiy!

To mention Newcastle as underachievers and then in the same breath mention Real Madrid is laughable. Real Madrid have won 39 trophies since 1969.

BTW Real Madrid have won 3 European Champions League titles in the last 10 years.

Sneaky... editing past posts! I was refering to the period since the really big money came out... once again this is 9 trophies... three of which a poor domestic cup...

[Nem]

League Titles: 1996-97 2000-01 2002-03    

Champs League: 1997-98 1999-00 2001-02

UEFA Super Cup: 2002
Intercontinental Titles: 1998 2002    

Spanish Super Cup: 1997 2001 2003

Yep, the three bolded I discounted on the grounds that they aren't proper competitions....super cup is rated less highly than the carling cup.

That is under achieving still for Real Madrid and with the money spent...

They are still major trophies, if Newcastle won the Super Cup or the World Club Championship, it would still be classed as a trophy.

ITS IS ALL RELATIVE, hence why Waford aren't compared with Chelsea's titles....

 

[Rooky9]

 

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Exactly... You've missed the whole point of it not being comparable

[Nem]

Rooky9 stop moving the goal posts.

"They are not real trophies" or "only since the real money came in" or "In the last 9 or 10 years"

[Rooky9]

My goal posts were firmly fixed at 9 years and major trophies... the beauty of stats - you adjusted an extra year to tell a story closer to yours, i left them out to reflect mine.... I did reference mine to the spending money (In fact it was probably more like 7 than 9 but i'll let you have them for free to make it more neutral - it you look at it since the Zidane and Figo year its even worse!)

[Nem]

My goal posts were firmly fixed at 9 years and major trophies... the beauty of stats - you adjusted an extra year to tell a story closer to yours, i left them out to reflect mine....

You said last 9-10 years. When people make statements, they usually go for a round figure( 5 years, decades etc...)

In the last ten years, do you think Real Madrid have spent 12 times more money in the transfer market then Newcastle?

[The Baron]

3 European cups in 10 years is underachieving? There is no bigger prize in club football! It is precisely WHY you spend £37M on Figo and £48M on Zidane. Have Chelsea not spent more and won less? Not exactly considered underachievers though are they?

I want Liverpool to spend lots of money and "underachieve" then!

This argument has more holes in it than a sieve. No offence Rooky, but it looks like an premeditated argument used by Newcastle fans many times down the years to defend their awful trophy record.

Trophies count. Nothing else matters. Just ask Forest fans.

[dan]

i dont actually have much of an opinion or take any side with this discussion because i can see both sides of it. nemisis says madrid arent underacheivers because they have won 3 CL in 10 years which i have to agree with but rooky says they are in terms of money spent.

if most teams won what madrid have won in the last 9 , or if you like, 10 years they would be very pleased but i think the pressure they put on themselves means if they have a trophyless season (which i think they have had for 3 seasons now) means they are "underacheiving"

i beleive beckham said it would be a disater if he was never to win anything at madrid

[dan]

just looked on betfair and MON has gone out to 32 and roeder is as short as 1.35 has there been any more news or annoucements on this

[Rooky9]

There was something on Skysports but wasnty anything official or new for that matter!

Not much doubt that he'll get it in some form or another. I did like his comments on the radio over the weekend about some of the people saying he shouldnt be allowed, and he made a tactical substitution at the weekend which I haven't seen for many a year! (other than defender for a striker!)

[Ukgatsby]

Newcastle season ticket holder since the late 70s. My own personal view (no inside info just calling it as i see it)

Hitzfield -  Many fans number 1 choice in that he has an impressive cv and is alledgedly interested
Big Sam - Already walked out of an interview once last year and Not a favourite of the fans because of style of football
Stuart Pearce - Would be a popular choice but settled in Manchester and may have been privately warned off NUFC by Keegan
M.O'Neil - Not ready to come back and happy to wait for Man Utd . Also a well publicised Sunderland fan who has went on record at talk ins that he would never manage Newcastle.
Curbs - ok in current role but doubtful whether he could step up and face our almost impossible demands of success.
O'Leary - Please god no !!!!!!
Paul Jewel - Highly thought of but question mark over whether he could handle some of the overpaid brats at Newcastle
Sven - Not a hope in hell
Mike Newell - Been talk of a joint post with Shearer but it aint going to happen.

Shearer has played 10 years and is the all time leading scorer , he is savvy to know that hes a playing legend however when he hangs up his boots there is a forward line up of ....

Owen who will....

a) score 30 goals a season 50/1
b) stick around for at least 1 more season and maybe play 15-20 games 6/4
c) have a half decent world cup and be away in the summer 1/2

That realistically leaves a forward line up of Amoebi (crap) , Chopra (div 1 class at best) , new signing (realistically someone who is not getting his place in another prem team) That combination means just like Wednesday a struggle to score goals . That with an iffy defence means Newcastle more likely to be in the bottom half . Shearer was negotiating a broadcasting contract when he said he was playing and those negotiations were put on hold. He wont jump in at the deep end and take over a struggling Newcastle side . If he is to be the Newcastle manager it is more likely to be in 3 or 4 years time. Let someone else start from scratch and take the flak. I would be amazed if he hasnt had that conversation with Newell and put him off.

Glenn Roeder currently acting coach is well thought of at NUFC and was offered the job but his past bad experience and illness at West Ham has put him off. If Newcastle were to somehow qualify for Europe or win the FA Cup then he would take it full time but like Shearer isnt keen on diving in at the deep end with failure more expected than success.

The next manager ideally will currently not be employed already thus saving yet another expensive settlement. Hitzfeld with his impressive cv , availability and willingness is amongst the favourites and my pick and a lot of the fans. He is experienced and wise enough to be able to start from scratch whilst still playing attractive football. Freddie wants him as he is the best and most viable candidate. The negotiation are alledgedly ongoing and the board are just waiting till the end of season so they can plan their strategy and decide what funds would be available to the new boss.

I expect about £10-15 million to be available with any extra coming from the sale Bowyer , Luque and unfortunately but probable..Shay Given.


Paul

Glenn Roeder currently acting coach is well thought of at NUFC and was offered the job but his past bad experience and illness at West Ham has put him off. If Newcastle were to somehow qualify for Europe or win the FA Cup then he would take it full time

 

[Ukgatsby]

Posted: 04 Mar 2006 18:45    Post subject:   

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George Graham knocked us back as a player and has before also knocked us back as a manager saying the job didnt interest him. I dont see what he brings to us . We have surely had enough of Dour scots. Dalglish and Souness were playing legends but couldnt do anything in the St James Park hotseat .

Hitzfeld has been offered the job apparantly but is waiting on other offers and to see how we end the season to see if we would be in Europe and how much would be available for players.

My own feeling is that a new boss will have 10 million to spend. Anything else will depends on any transfer fees received for Luque , Bowyer , Owen () and even worse Given (Anywhere i can back him to be Arsenal number 1 next season ??)

Failing that then i think Glenn Roeder could be almost forced into it. FS could say if you dont want the job then you dont want to be here so youre out of the academy. After 5 wins and a draw so far , all be it against lower opposition, the team is playing decent football with a spirit not seen since the Keegan days.

Roeder would love deep down to be manager but was badly scarred by his experience at West Ham as well as his illness at the time. But me personally dont you learn from bad experiences. How many people crack it first time.

If we can get a world class manager then fair enough but if not i would rather have Glenn than Big Sam , GG , Paul Jewell , Alan Curbishley etc

Each 90 mins Glenn gets closer to the job. He will get us top 10 this season and realistically could any big name come in and do any better ?

NAP Hitzfeld with a saver on Roeder
 

[Karabiner]

I agree with you UKG, Roeder would be a no-lose appointment much like Everton's with Moyes.

And who knows it could continue to go well.

[Ironside]

i have finally bet all the profit i had on the field onto roedar allthough a few mistakes in last 2 weeks have lost me a couple of hundred i will make about £250 on roedar i still have a few outsiders though with hizfield earning me quite a few bob and £35k if neil warnock decides he wants the job (come on neil take the job and i will buy us both into this years WSOP main event)