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« Reply #255 on: February 03, 2017, 02:20:41 AM »

I think Root's another one who seems to get an easy ride in T20's. Test match and ODI's absolute star but too often he gets to 30/40 and out. I can't remember the last time he was there at the end of an innings. I thought today he was the one to blame, he ate up so many deliveries and put the pressure on Morgs in that he had to play the big shot and then Root goes and gets himself out. Two set batsmen out and the game was pretty much over.

you mean like the first t20 of the series?

Strike rate of 100 in both 1st and 2nd matches and the one to blame imo for the start of the collapse in the final match.

Granted the first match was a walk in the park.

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« Reply #256 on: February 06, 2017, 02:34:18 PM »

Alistair Cook has resigned, presumably to be replaced by Root

A brilliant batsman, and hopefully he'll be in form and opening for another 5 years plus now

Not a natural captain for me, too cautious, but to do it for 59 tests is some going
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« Reply #257 on: February 06, 2017, 10:15:44 PM »

Alistair Cook has resigned, presumably to be replaced by Root

A brilliant batsman, and hopefully he'll be in form and opening for another 5 years plus now

Not a natural captain for me, too cautious, but to do it for 59 tests is some going

Any chance of catching Sachin u reckon? Number 2 seems doable if he stays fit and in form....
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« Reply #258 on: February 07, 2017, 12:58:25 PM »

Cook is 32

Sachin has 15,900
Cook has 11,057

Lets give Cook another 5 years?

He averages 46. England have 5-6 home tests and 4-5 away tests a calendar year

(2017 has 11. South Africa, Windies and 4 of the 5 ashes tests)

so lets say 10 tests at 46-50 per innings so 960-1000 runs pcy

thats 4800-5000 onto now so he gets ahead of Sachin yes


obviously form, fitness and longevity is unknown but i would have him odds on
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« Reply #259 on: February 07, 2017, 02:59:50 PM »

Cook is 32

Sachin has 15,900
Cook has 11,057

Lets give Cook another 5 years?

He averages 46. England have 5-6 home tests and 4-5 away tests a calendar year

(2017 has 11. South Africa, Windies and 4 of the 5 ashes tests)

so lets say 10 tests at 46-50 per innings so 960-1000 runs pcy

thats 4800-5000 onto now so he gets ahead of Sachin yes


obviously form, fitness and longevity is unknown but i would have him odds on

I worry that his reasoning for stepping down was he had reservations about "how much he had left in the tank". Obviously he was talking about the captaincy but I can only see him going another couple of years. He's 32 now, Hameed and Keaton look to be up to the task and hopefully they'll progress in the coming years.

How long did Atherton and Hussain stay on as players after giving up the captaincy?
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« Reply #260 on: February 07, 2017, 03:04:55 PM »


How long did Atherton and Hussain stay on as players after giving up the captaincy?

According to wiki, 4 years and 6 months respectively.
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« Reply #261 on: February 07, 2017, 03:18:28 PM »


How long did Atherton and Hussain stay on as players after giving up the captaincy?

According to wiki, 4 years and 6 months respectively.

Hmmmmmmm, Surprised Athers stayed on that long. I remember Hussain more, where the team had moved on under younger leadership and he felt it was time to bail. Athers showed it's possible though.
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« Reply #262 on: February 07, 2017, 05:52:30 PM »

Cook is 32

Sachin has 15,900
Cook has 11,057

Lets give Cook another 5 years?

He averages 46. England have 5-6 home tests and 4-5 away tests a calendar year

(2017 has 11. South Africa, Windies and 4 of the 5 ashes tests)

so lets say 10 tests at 46-50 per innings so 960-1000 runs pcy

thats 4800-5000 onto now so he gets ahead of Sachin yes


obviously form, fitness and longevity is unknown but i would have him odds on

I worry that his reasoning for stepping down was he had reservations about "how much he had left in the tank". Obviously he was talking about the captaincy but I can only see him going another couple of years. He's 32 now, Hameed and Keaton look to be up to the task and hopefully they'll progress in the coming years.

How long did Atherton and Hussain stay on as players after giving up the captaincy?

I think the captaincy takes a fair bit out of you and without that burden he will start piling on the runs again. I think it could get interesting though if he gets near the record but isn't performing that well. Would they drop him if he was say 500 runs within the record?
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« Reply #263 on: February 07, 2017, 06:30:28 PM »

Being the middle class posh boy private school type family man i can't see him at the ages of 36/7 grinding long winter tours even if he is in sight of the record.  He looks the type who's motivation will easily drop as well with age.  The absolute runs record isn't a good way to compare batsmen historically anyway.  He hasn't faced anything like the all time great attacks other people on that list have faced throughout their careers.  Secondly he has also played in an era with more and more test matches against generally poorer standard nations.  With an average of 46 surely he wouldn't even be considered in the top 10 test batsmen of all time right?

I would take Gower over Cook straight away both in style and substance given the power house attacks Gower was forced to play against in his era and they have a similar average.  Appreciate Gower never opened however which affects Cook's average.  Slot Cook into that team or Atherton era and how well does he do facing the opening attacks he did?
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« Reply #264 on: February 07, 2017, 06:39:53 PM »

nowhere near the top 10 of all time

top 50 of all time maybe

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« Reply #265 on: February 07, 2017, 06:44:56 PM »

nowhere near the top 10 of all time

top 50 of all time maybe



You take Gower over Cook in 1985?  So he isn't even a cert to be in the top 50 of all time even with his record?  That is pretty damning about modern day test cricket surely?
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« Reply #266 on: February 07, 2017, 06:51:04 PM »

no its not meant to be damning

they just play more test cricket, are physically fitter/conditioned with great equipment playing on covered pitches that drain well. its a different game

he's 32 and has played 140 tests

lots of countries want to play england because of the revenue they bring, so England never rest

he could take off the odd winter tour, play for another 5 years and still hit 200 tests


top 10? off the top of my head

Bradman
Lara
Richards
Sachin
Compton
Hutton
G Chappell
Border
Hammond
Ponting

and i will have missed some

Cook isn't in the same postcode as any of those

He's in the same bracket as Gooch, boycott, Gower etc
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« Reply #267 on: February 07, 2017, 06:52:55 PM »

no its not meant to be damning

they just play more test cricket, are physically fitter/conditioned with great equipment playing on covered pitches that drain well. its a different game

he's 32 and has played 140 tests

lots of countries want to play england because of the revenue they bring, so England never rest

he could take off the odd winter tour, play for another 5 years and still hit 200 tests


top 10? off the top of my head

Bradman
Lara
Richards
Sachin
Compton
Hutton
G Chappell
Border
Hammond
Ponting

and i will have missed some

Cook isn't in the same postcode as any of those

He's in the same bracket as Gooch, boycott, Gower etc

Fair enough.  Pretty similar points of view to me then.  How high can Root get potentially on the all time list?  Not just runs (obviously he could get to number 1 on that list easily) but where does his style/flair on top of the runs put him potentially in that all time list if he carries on to 32/33 like Cook has.  He seems to have a great mental approach to the game/life so there is no reason to think he will go off the boil other than captaincy ruining him.
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« Reply #268 on: February 07, 2017, 06:56:13 PM »

no its not meant to be damning

they just play more test cricket, are physically fitter/conditioned with great equipment playing on covered pitches that drain well. its a different game

he's 32 and has played 140 tests

lots of countries want to play england because of the revenue they bring, so England never rest

he could take off the odd winter tour, play for another 5 years and still hit 200 tests


top 10? off the top of my head

Bradman
Lara
Richards
Sachin
Compton
Hutton
G Chappell
Border
Hammond
Ponting

and i will have missed some

Cook isn't in the same postcode as any of those

He's in the same bracket as Gooch, boycott, Gower etc

Fair enough.  Pretty simple points of view to me then.  How high can Root get potentially on the all time list?

i didn't even include Kallis or Dravid or Sangakkara. most of these guys are averaging 55+

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wi/content/records/223646.html

Root (and steve smith, and amla, and kane williamson) all scope to be regarded as above Cook though players from NZ and SA won't play the volume of games to get into run scoring record charts

Amla has played 100 tests in 13 years, scored 8000 at 50
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« Reply #269 on: February 07, 2017, 10:50:20 PM »

Racing post said betway were 3/1 he breaks the record.
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