50 shot dead in Orlando

[The Camel]

Very sad & amazed at the reaction, or la k of, from the typical straight person.

Not seen anyone talk about this on Facebook & this post only got 5 replies. If this was in a typical nightclub the response would have been different by others.

It's only the gay community that cares.

I am an idiot for responding to a clear trolling post but here goes.

What response were you looking for exactly?

"My thoughts and prayers are with the victims"?

Well actually, my thoughts (and prayers if I had believed in God) were with the Kazakh wife of my cousin, whose village back home was subject to a terrorist atrocity last week where 17 people, many of whom she knew, were murdered.

I didn't see you or any of your Facebook friends feeling sad for the Kazakh community involved.

Does that mean you don't care about them?

Or is it because nowadays these terrible incidents happen so often we are desensitised to these tragedies unless we know someone directly involved.

We would spend our whole lives grieving if we genuinely felt sad when these things happen. They happen so damn often.

So please don't ask, expect or demand anything from anyone in these horrible times. We all hate what is happening in our world right now, just because we don't express it every day it doesn't mean we don't feel it.

[vegaslover]

I think we react more to things that happen to people we know, in places we have been to, in places people we know have been to, in places we could imagine ourselves going to, to people who are similar to ourselves . (Probably roughly in that order).

It's why stuff happening in France, gets more reaction / attention than events in Somalia. It's not racism.
It's why a shooting in a gay club in Orlando, incites less views than a shooting at a rock concert in Paris. It's not homophobia.

When I say not, I mean not necessarily.

hmmm, to a degree.
I was in Orlando a couple of weeks ago, so it briefly piqued my interest, though more so my nine year old for obv reasons.
Much like others, of course I think it is a tragedy, but happens all to often in the States and is never going to change. The debate of which has been exhausted both here and elsewhere.

[The Camel]

Didn't a poster leave Blondepoker after the Thailand tsunami because other posters weren't upset enough about it?

[RED-DOG]

Very sad & amazed at the reaction, or la k of, from the typical straight person.

Not seen anyone talk about this on Facebook & this post only got 5 replies. If this was in a typical nightclub the response would have been different by others.

It's only the gay community that cares.

Are you a typical straight person Aaron?

I would still appreciate an answer to this question.

Does it matter?

Hi Dave.

I assume you are asking me whether it matters if he answers my question. Without wishing to be pedantic, does it matter if I answer yours?

[david3103]

Very sad & amazed at the reaction, or la k of, from the typical straight person.

Not seen anyone talk about this on Facebook & this post only got 5 replies. If this was in a typical nightclub the response would have been different by others.

It's only the gay community that cares.

Are you a typical straight person Aaron?

I would still appreciate an answer to this question.

Does it matter?

Hi Dave.

I assume you are asking me whether it matters if he answers my question. Without wishing to be pedantic, does it matter if I answer yours?

Hi Tom

Do you mind if I don't answer that?

[RED-DOG]

Very sad & amazed at the reaction, or la k of, from the typical straight person.

Not seen anyone talk about this on Facebook & this post only got 5 replies. If this was in a typical nightclub the response would have been different by others.

It's only the gay community that cares.

Are you a typical straight person Aaron?

I would still appreciate an answer to this question.

Does it matter?

Hi Dave.

I assume you are asking me whether it matters if he answers my question. Without wishing to be pedantic, does it matter if I answer yours?

Hi Tom

Do you mind if I don't answer that?

Well so long as you can deduce the answer to the question you originally asked me from the answer you just gave me then no, I don't.

I would still like Aaron to answer my question to him though.

[aaron1867]

Your question is completely irrelevant.

I've made a point that people's reaction has been completely different to previous attacks in which lots of people have been killed. A lot of people died at the Bataclan, there was lots of friends on my Facebook posting about it, I can't remember the reaction on here, but I suspect it was more than the 5 replies that was on this thread.

I didn't post what I did, this thread is one page.

[TightEnd]

Paris took place prime time UK time. It was broadcast live on UK screens from an early stage, and is obviously much closer to us than orlando is. It scared people here

things like that broadcast on our screens "as they happen" stay with us. you'll be too young, but the embassy siege in 1980 is a classic example

completely understandable that Paris should garner a far bggier reaction than orlando did

any notion that people care less about gay lives is a complete red herring in my opinion.

as i said yesterday, US Gun laws or the absence of them make many of us "shrug" more than "emote" when it comes to spree killings over there

[Rexas]

I didn't know this was about a gay bar before this thread, because I couldn't be bothered to click on it, the headline seemed pretty self explanatory.

Find it hard to keep caring. This has become so regular (or is now reported so regularly) that it's hard to keep posting "o no I'm so sorry about this etc", because I genuinely don't feel much about it now. America is clearly fine with having multiple nutcases charging about with guns, I mean what do they/we expect to happen?

As I said earlier, I was actually pretty upset about the shooting of Christina Grimmie. She's my age, and that was aimed at her in particular, and what can she have done that caused someone to want to kill her like that? I suppose the fact that I felt i sorta "knew" her was part of that too.

Do I particularly care about the shooting in Orlando? No, frankly. Is this because they're gay? Obviously not, and I'm kinda insulted by that insinuation, but it's Aaron, whatever. Since I originally thought it was just another shooting of a bunch of unconnected people, and I didn't care particularly then, I still don't know that I know they were all gay.

[AndrewT]

One thing that I did notice is that news of this broke on Sunday morning, and was immediately the only story on CNN, but Sky and the BBC spent the next few hours hardly mentioning it, instead providing a few hours live coverage of The Queen attending a picnic in the rain.

It was only once that was over that Orlando became the main story.

[Doobs]

I didn't know this was about a gay bar before this thread, because I couldn't be bothered to click on it, the headline seemed pretty self explanatory.

Find it hard to keep caring. This has become so regular (or is now reported so regularly) that it's hard to keep posting "o no I'm so sorry about this etc", because I genuinely don't feel much about it now. America is clearly fine with having multiple nutcases charging about with guns, I mean what do they/we expect to happen?

As I said earlier, I was actually pretty upset about the shooting of Christina Grimmie. She's my age, and that was aimed at her in particular, and what can she have done that caused someone to want to kill her like that? I suppose the fact that I felt i sorta "knew" her was part of that too.

Do I particularly care about the shooting in Orlando? No, frankly. Is this because they're gay? Obviously not, and I'm kinda insulted by that insinuation, but it's Aaron, whatever. Since I originally thought it was just another shooting of a bunch of unconnected people, and I didn't care particularly then, I still don't know that I know they were all gay.

 If it was a straight club would you assume everyone there was straight?  Some people will just go out with their friends, some women may be there just for a dance away from the attentions of men, some straight people will work there, some people may just have got caught up in it etc.

I accept it seems pretty certain that the club was targeted as it was a gay club.

Buy never mind the deaths, this thread is all about Aaron.

[aaron1867]

It's good of Mr Calculator to comment.

I have made a comment, now people have made the topic about what I've said. I was of course only making a point on the response of others, which was on topic.

[RED-DOG]

Your question is completely irrelevant.

I've made a point that people's reaction has been completely different to previous attacks in which lots of people have been killed. A lot of people died at the Bataclan, there was lots of friends on my Facebook posting about it, I can't remember the reaction on here, but I suspect it was more than the 5 replies that was on this thread.

I didn't post what I did, this thread is one page.

You don't get to decide what is and is not relevant.

I happen to think that anyone who makes a disparaging comment about a particular group, (In this case typical straight people) should be prepared to confirm or deny that he belongs to that group.

I will of course respect your right to refuse to say if you are a typical straight person and I will form my own opinion.

[arbboy]

How many straight men would have 60% of their facebook group of friends who are gay?  Roughly?  2%?  1%? 

[Rexas]

If it was a straight club would you assume everyone there was straight?

Fair point, take that part of my comment back.