Hmmmmm very interesting spot here

[strak33]

So what hands do you think this guy has for value? And being passive doesnt mean they don't bluff, it generally just means they bluff less, which makes this spot kind of close, but im not sure if its close.

probably 5 cards of the puppy feet.

Actual lol

[lolwutwasthat]

Any highstakes players want to give their input instead?

[strak33]

Be reasonable. We get it you called and won well done.

[titaniumbean]

Any highstakes players want to give their input instead?

lololo

you're playing 1/2 buddy

[cambridgealex]

125 to win 277 so getting 2.2:1. Give him KJcc, J9cc, 89cc for value and not much else (3combos), have to give a nonzero quantity of random pairs he's bluffing with that beat us when we call, and the odd J8cc 97cc 78cc (again has to be nonzero) so probably total of between 5 and 7 combos we lose to.

So need to find around 2-3bluff combos which seems pretty easy to find even if you're being very stingy with his bluffing frequency. AJ, KJ, J9 all feasible.

Interesting spot and obv nh good call

Edit: probs underestimating the number of times we call and he's bluffing with better, but with 28 combos of the AJ, KJ, J9s, even if he's only bluffing these hands 20% of the time, it's gonna be a call.

[lolwutwasthat]

So people who play 100ks dont play 1ks no?

[Rexas]

Think I just got big timed :p

Nice hand, good call.

[lolwutwasthat]

And for those who think this is a show off hand. I Actually tank folded. But thinking back to it, it seems like folding is a mistake, just dont know tho ev of how big of a mistake it is

[WotRTheChances]

Pretty impossible to give an accurate answer to the OP. If someone described a villain in a 1/2 live cash game as tight-passive (relative to the 1/2 live population - which is often somewhat passive, particularly when it comes to bluff-raising rivers), i'd probably assume they would just have 0 bluff combos a lot of the time. If villain in this hand is capable of raising here as a bluff then it's an interesting spot, but vs a lot of live 1/2 players you're up against a flush and only a flush.

[lolwutwasthat]

But it is really hard to see what flush he can have tom?

[titaniumbean]

But it is really hard to see what flush he can have tom?

KJ/K9/78/89/45


it's pretty far fetched to assume that someone raising the river with air cant also raise with 5 of 1 suit. maybe none of us play high enough to get this strat.

[Oxford_HRV]

I think it's unrealistic to give villain an incredibly nitty range to raise otr. OP perceived range is pretty hard to understand.
 What do you open utg lead flop and check turn then pot river with for value vs perceived villain when HU v HJ

I'd fold ainec

[WotRTheChances]

But it is really hard to see what flush he can have tom?

Well yeah sure he probs only has KJcc, J9cc, 98cc, 87cc, maybe 97cc/54cc for value. If you've decided he's genuinely a tight-passive player and probably doesn't have any bluffs then you don't need to consider calling. If you think he can be bluffing and doesn't exclusively have the hands i mentioned, it's quite a close spot yeah. (I would say there aren't a lot of players I think would bluff-raise this river spot much... and as Pleno said I think betting turn and a lot of rivers is preferable)

[Rexas]

But it is really hard to see what flush he can have tom?

Well yeah sure he probs only has KJcc, J9cc, 98cc, 87cc, maybe 97cc/54cc for value. If you've decided he's genuinely a tight-passive player and probably doesn't have any bluffs then you don't need to consider calling. If you think he can be bluffing and doesn't exclusively have the hands i mentioned, it's quite a close spot yeah. (I would say there aren't a lot of players I think would bluff-raise this river spot much... and as Pleno said I think betting turn and a lot of rivers is preferable)

Not sure you play high enough to have an opinion bud

Honestly, has the definition of tight passive changed? Someone I would class as tight passive in a live 1/2 just isn't doing this as a bluff, despite the fact that our line makes very little sense.

[lolwutwasthat]

Preflop hands are very selective, dont call many bets with marginal holdings post flop. Tight people don't not bluff. You are probably a nit too, but im sure you bluff lol