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[Karabiner]

I've just looked at your question again Ralph. I didn't quite understand it the first time but now I do.

I think 20-30% is a conservative estimate.

Me too, I was going to suggest 50% at first but decided to err on the low side.

The whole point is that in an environment awash with "dirty" money and the folk associated with it, not to mention those age-old siblings needy and greedy, it seems churlish to be surprised and outraged at the odd stroke being pulled or someone playing with stolen money.

If the casinos barred everyone playing with dirty money they'd be almost empty, and there wouldn't be much poker action.

[RED-DOG]

I've just looked at your question again Ralph. I didn't quite understand it the first time but now I do.

I think 20-30% is a conservative estimate.

Me too, I was going to suggest 50% at first but decided to err on the low side.

The whole point is that in an environment awash with "dirty" money and the folk associated with it, not to mention those age-old siblings needy and greedy, it seems churlish to be surprised and outraged at the odd stroke being pulled or someone playing with stolen money.

If the casinos barred everyone playing with dirty money they'd be almost empty, and there wouldn't be much poker action.

Yep. I wasn't surprised or outraged.

To be perfectly honest I love gamblers and gambling culture. I get on quite well with rouges and what I call 'Honest' criminals, but I don't think either this thread or Alex's comments were out of order. 

I was just clumsily trying to say that Keith calling Alex out was a controversial move so he couldn't complain when people didn't agree. It also smacked of double standards.

[Jac]

I've just looked at your question again Ralph. I didn't quite understand it the first time but now I do.

I think 20-30% is a conservative estimate.

Me too, I was going to suggest 50% at first but decided to err on the low side.

The whole point is that in an environment awash with "dirty" money and the folk associated with it, not to mention those age-old siblings needy and greedy, it seems churlish to be surprised and outraged at the odd stroke being pulled or someone playing with stolen money.

If the casinos barred everyone playing with dirty money they'd be almost empty, and there wouldn't be much poker action.

Is this really the case nowadays?
I would have agreed maybe 15 years ago but very surprised if there was that much dirty money around now

[The Camel]

I've just looked at your question again Ralph. I didn't quite understand it the first time but now I do.

I think 20-30% is a conservative estimate.

Me too, I was going to suggest 50% at first but decided to err on the low side.

The whole point is that in an environment awash with "dirty" money and the folk associated with it, not to mention those age-old siblings needy and greedy, it seems churlish to be surprised and outraged at the odd stroke being pulled or someone playing with stolen money.

If the casinos barred everyone playing with dirty money they'd be almost empty, and there wouldn't be much poker action.

Yep. I wasn't surprised or outraged.

To be perfectly honest I love gamblers and gambling culture. I get on quite well with rouges and what I call 'Honest' criminals, but I don't think either this thread or Alex's comments were out of order. 

I was just clumsily trying to say that Keith calling Alex out was a controversial move so he couldn't complain when people didn't agree. It also smacked of double standards.

LOL @ honest criminals.

[The Camel]

Genuinely with all due respect Keith, I'm not sure how you can call what Alex did 'oafish' when you are currently using this image as your Blonde avatar like a badge of honour:


I don't have any objection to either this or what Alex did, just saying it seems a bit disingenuous that you can reprimand somebody for calling out a grimmer when it is arguably in the poker communities interest, yet proudly show off an instance where you made an unprovoked attack on somebody else.

(how do I make the image smaller?)

Lewis was on the radio when I tweeted that, and I thought it was bizarre that he took time out from his busy schedule fighting for consumers rights to respond.

It is not a "badge of honour", I just thought it was very funny. I shall take it down if I can be arsed.

[TightEnd]

I've just looked at your question again Ralph. I didn't quite understand it the first time but now I do.

I think 20-30% is a conservative estimate.

Me too, I was going to suggest 50% at first but decided to err on the low side.

The whole point is that in an environment awash with "dirty" money and the folk associated with it, not to mention those age-old siblings needy and greedy, it seems churlish to be surprised and outraged at the odd stroke being pulled or someone playing with stolen money.

If the casinos barred everyone playing with dirty money they'd be almost empty, and there wouldn't be much poker action.

Is this really the case nowadays?
I would have agreed maybe 15 years ago but very surprised if there was that much dirty money around now

a lot, just as much as ten years ago

proceeds from armed robbery, drugs (not unexpected), embezzlement, fraud, guns all in use for poker and pit games and that is just those individuals i am aware of.

no, not giving names!

[The Camel]

I find this so strange.

I've played in cardrooms where murderers, paedophiles, bank robbers, pimps and drug dealers play totally free of criticism or remark.

I've played with cheats, bad debtors and scammers totally unchallenged.

Yet the person who has "crossed the line" too far that she gets called out is a woman who has stolen £4k from a staking business.

[celtic]

I find this so strange.

I've played in cardrooms where murderers, paedophiles, bank robbers, pimps and drug dealers play totally free of criticism or remark.

I've played with cheats, bad debtors and scammers totally unchallenged.

Yet the person who has "crossed the line" too far that she gets called out is a woman who has stolen £4k from a staking business.

Soft target.

[The Camel]

I find this so strange.

I've played in cardrooms where murderers, paedophiles, bank robbers, pimps and drug dealers play totally free of criticism or remark.

I've played with cheats, bad debtors and scammers totally unchallenged.

Yet the person who has "crossed the line" too far that she gets called out is a woman who has stolen £4k from a staking business.

Soft target.

Next time I play in the same cardroom as Alex, I'll point out a couple of career criminals and bad debtors for him to call out, as he seems intent on cleaning up the industry singlehandedly.

[celtic]

I find this so strange.

I've played in cardrooms where murderers, paedophiles, bank robbers, pimps and drug dealers play totally free of criticism or remark.

I've played with cheats, bad debtors and scammers totally unchallenged.

Yet the person who has "crossed the line" too far that she gets called out is a woman who has stolen £4k from a staking business.

Soft target.

Next time I play in the same cardroom as Alex, I'll point out a couple of career criminals and bad debtors for him to call out, as he seems intent on cleaning up the industry singlehandedly.

Haha, that wasn't directed at him. He, or any other person with a brain wouldn't say anything to a murderer or bank robber. Just human nature. I'm not a fan of renee, but some of the stuff written about her online has been terrible. Especially from people that have been in the card room with her all week and
Not said anything to her, so in a way, fair play to Alex for at least making a Comment in front of her.

[celtic]

Also, I wonder if the online comments would have been so harsh if it was big Dave the bank robber or hatchet harry the murderer that had scammed BRS for 4K?

[EvilPie]

I find this so strange.

I've played in cardrooms where murderers, paedophiles, bank robbers, pimps and drug dealers play totally free of criticism or remark.

I've played with cheats, bad debtors and scammers totally unchallenged.

Yet the person who has "crossed the line" too far that she gets called out is a woman who has stolen £4k from a staking business.

Soft target.

Next time I play in the same cardroom as Alex, I'll point out a couple of career criminals and bad debtors for him to call out, as he seems intent on cleaning up the industry singlehandedly.

You are such a hypocrite.

You claim that you're against witch hunts and mob mentality but don't you see that what you're doing here is exactly the same?

Just because nobody joins your pointless crusade doesn't mean you aren't attempting to get one going.

PM sent.

[The Camel]

I find this so strange.

I've played in cardrooms where murderers, paedophiles, bank robbers, pimps and drug dealers play totally free of criticism or remark.

I've played with cheats, bad debtors and scammers totally unchallenged.

Yet the person who has "crossed the line" too far that she gets called out is a woman who has stolen £4k from a staking business.

Soft target.

Next time I play in the same cardroom as Alex, I'll point out a couple of career criminals and bad debtors for him to call out, as he seems intent on cleaning up the industry singlehandedly.

Haha, that wasn't directed at him. He, or any other person with a brain wouldn't say anything to a murderer or bank robber. Just human nature. I'm not a fan of renee, but some of the stuff written about her online has been terrible. Especially from people that have been in the card room with her all week and
Not said anything to her, so in a way, fair play to Alex for at least making a Comment in front of her.

That was meant as a joke BTW.

[DMorgan]

The convicted criminals served their time and if they haven't been charged with whatever it is then its just hearsay. There are plenty of avenues to leave anonymous tips if you feel that the hearsay is compelling to the point where you believe that someone is causing serious harm to others.

Murderes and paedophiles get long prison sentences, people who steal from the poker community struggle to get credit in the poker community and receive a few barbed comments. I'm not seeing the injustice here. Nobody is advocating to string her up, but its this lazy apologism that fosters an environment where stealing is socially acceptable.

The problem isn't that she stole the money, the problem is that under your system she steals the money and gets off scott free
 
Edit: Hopefully Paul takes this to small claims court. Its hard to ignore the bailiffs

[The Camel]

The convicted criminals served their time and if they haven't been charged with whatever it is then its just hearsay. There are plenty of avenues to leave anonymous tips if you feel that the hearsay is compelling to the point where you believe that someone is causing serious harm to others.

Murderes and paedophiles get long prison sentences, people who steal from the poker community struggle to get credit in the poker community and receive a few barbed comments. I'm not seeing the injustice here. Nobody is advocating to string her up, but its this lazy apologism that fosters an environment where stealing is socially acceptable.

The problem isn't that she stole the money, the problem is that under your system she steals the money and gets off scott free
 

I'm not apologising for her at all. I think she should pay back the money immediately.

And if she doesn't the injured party should make a criminal complaint.

All I'm saying I don't think poker players should get involved policing other people's debts.

As I said earlier, these things are virtually never clear cut and it is the most popular, the one with the loudest voice or simply the one with the deepest pockets who is believed and supported.