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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2017, 10:59:15 PM »

Both the British government/military and the IRA sides committed some absolutely reprehensible acts.

Without Martin McGuinness's leadership it's very likely the conflict would still be ongoing.

May he rest in peace.
His leadership is why the terrorism went on for so long.

Really?

nothing to do with an occupying force committing atrocities?

The flip side is there are many who believe MMcG was a double agent.  If true that makes Britains involvement even worse.

Why?
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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2017, 11:08:54 PM »

Both the British government/military and the IRA sides committed some absolutely reprehensible acts.

Without Martin McGuinness's leadership it's very likely the conflict would still be ongoing.

May he rest in peace.
His leadership is why the terrorism went on for so long.

Really?

nothing to do with an occupying force committing atrocities?

The flip side is there are many who believe MMcG was a double agent.  If true that makes Britains involvement even worse.

Why?

Well if true then the power brokers in Whitehall were sanctioning many IRA operations.
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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2017, 11:10:55 PM »

Both the British government/military and the IRA sides committed some absolutely reprehensible acts.

Without Martin McGuinness's leadership it's very likely the conflict would still be ongoing.

May he rest in peace.
His leadership is why the terrorism went on for so long.

Really?

nothing to do with an occupying force committing atrocities?

The flip side is there are many who believe MMcG was a double agent.  If true that makes Britains involvement even worse.

Why?

Well if true then the power brokers in Whitehall were sanctioning many IRA operations.

Pretty sure that's the case whether McGuinness was a double agent or not.
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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2017, 08:59:26 AM »

Thousands of people  in Derry yesterday to say their last farewell to Martin. 

Delegations from England, Scotland, Wales, Palestine, Cuba, South Africa, USA (including President Clinton), I also spoke with Basques, French, Italians and people from across the 32 Counties.  I am sure there were representations from many other countries. 

Christy Moore singing a song as well to close proceedings. 

Republicans from across Ireland were obviously sad to lose a leader, but the consensus seemed to be Martin had led his people up the hill it was time for a new generation to lead over that hill. 

Onward to the 32 County Republic!
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2017, 09:37:23 PM »




Onward to the 32 County Republic!

Won't happen while the graves of the innocents are known and now the murderer is dead it's likely it won't happen
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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2017, 11:10:24 PM »




Onward to the 32 County Republic!

Won't happen while the graves of the innocents are known and now the murderer is dead it's likely it won't happen

I don't quite follow Ironside's points. Not sure why his death makes this less likely. I think it's possible it could happen in time but, PokerBroker, do you not think it would be likely to lead to the violence starting up again in the lead-up and for a long time afterwards? Isn't the current set-up better than that? I still find it hard to believe that they were successful in getting this far, considering where they came from. Maybe leave well enough alone for a couple of generations til most of the population don't have personal memories of atrocities before disrupting something that, against all odds, is working so well.
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2017, 11:21:08 PM »




Onward to the 32 County Republic!

Won't happen while the graves of the innocents are known and now the murderer is dead it's likely it won't happen

I don't quite follow Ironside's points. Not sure why his death makes this less likely. I think it's possible it could happen in time but, PokerBroker, do you not think it would be likely to lead to the violence starting up again in the lead-up and for a long time afterwards? Isn't the current set-up better than that? I still find it hard to believe that they were successful in getting this far, considering where they came from. Maybe leave well enough alone for a couple of generations til most of the population don't have personal memories of atrocities before disrupting something that, against all odds, is working so well.

To answer Ironsides point the only people not wanting a truth and reconciliation are the Brits. 

Leaders from both Republican/Loyalist backgrounds have been calling for this for years. 

@Mint - I don't actually think things are working that well tbh.  We don't see the scenes we seen in the 70's and 80's.  There is still wide spread criminality in both Republican/Loyalist areas.  The police are not trusted by either community.  There are parts in the North that are definitely more cosmopolitan, in general I think education has improved  massively as well and the ghetto mentality that used to be pursued isn't as bad. 

I don't ever think there will be a time when memories dont play a part in the struggle.  Jeez some Orangement still march in memore of the battle of the Boyne and that was 1690.  You'd think some were actually there.  Republicans still commemorate Wolfetone every year. 

I think it's fine to remember history and patriots, but there needs to be more acceptance.  I genuinley believe there is a greater willingness to that on the side of Republicans and Nationalists.  Last year the DUP were blocking same sex marriages.
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