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« Reply #150 on: October 02, 2018, 01:20:08 PM »

I'll go one further and say if you are caught stealing in a casino you should never be allowed back in.
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« Reply #151 on: October 02, 2018, 01:24:36 PM »

I'll go one further and say if you are caught stealing in a casino you should never be allowed back in.

This.  Why would a few months 'off' change the fact the guy is still a thief and still an unnecessary risk to their other customers?
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« Reply #152 on: October 02, 2018, 03:02:32 PM »

They accept convicted fraudsters and murderers on their premises.
I often sit next to grimmers who have stolen thoussands and tens of thousands.  They have seemed happy enough to protect those people by offering anonymity.  It seems Kassouf wouldn't be very high up the scale of bad folks that still get let in casinos.  Dare say he gets back in fairly soon.  Maybe we'll be looking forward to seeing another anon. on the prize lists?

I haven't been following the whole thing since day 1, but it seemed that those he stole off may have been pretty gruntled about the whole thing, but didn't want to see him lose his sponsorship.  Those people should have the best view of the seriousness of the situation. Has anything further come out first hand?

I strongly suspect he has been punished more than enough, as not only does he lose his poker career, he is going to struggle to find a job using his law degree too.   
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« Reply #153 on: October 02, 2018, 03:06:15 PM »

He always seems to take great pleasure in belittling other other players and generally making them feel uncomfortable. Couple this with stealing and I struggle to see him as an asset.
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« Reply #154 on: October 02, 2018, 04:09:05 PM »

He always seems to take great pleasure in belittling other other players and generally making them feel uncomfortable. Couple this with stealing and I struggle to see him as an asset.

I'll agree with this, imagine if everyone at every poker table behaved like him. Now I'm not a fan of the hoodies and headphones silent treatment stuff, but it's got to be preferable to having an aim of annoying and upsetting the whole table each time you sit down.

When something like this happens it always begs the question of "has this happened before". I have been drunk many a time have been in positions to take advantage of others in similar conditions, as I'm sure most of us have. Never once has it seriously crossed my mind to steal my friends' money, in the same way as it's never crossed my mind to stab someone or spike their drink. Drinking alcohol doesn't completely change your character, I mean the guy is/was a lawyer ffs, you'd expect that to denote a reasonable level of intelligence and responsibility. And if it really does have that much of an affect on you then surely, as a professional sponsored player, you have to have the sense to not get that drunk in what is essentially your place of work.

I was never a Kassouf fan but did not expect him to join this list. What a tit.
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« Reply #155 on: October 02, 2018, 11:39:30 PM »

As you would expect, the topic of Will who Talksalot came up at various tables the other night. I suggested that unless we were actually present we should probably cut him a bit of slack, since he was being branded a serious scumbag by a couple of people. I pointed out that drink (and possibly other substances) might have been an influence. Well, f**k me if it wasn't Willie Tann calling me out for trying to justify his actions.

I mentioned glass houses & stones, and all went quiet.

You just donโ€™t steal peopleโ€™s money!  Or at all to be honest. Stealing from friends is the nut low. Not a fan of blame it on the achoal. He is a grown man and knew what he was doing. Unfortunately things like this happen all the time in one shape or form. Greed and jealously are key motivators.

Regardless itโ€™s national poker news because of who it is rather than what he has done.

Regarding my relationship with Will, all this really does is mean I wiould just keep a more vigalaint eye out and count my chips before heading to the bathroom.

Just to be clear about this, I wasn't actually trying to justify his actions. I was suggesting that unless we were actually present we shouldn't be calling him the scum of the earth, since there may be more than meets the eye. I know Will largely as an acquaintance, and despite his questionable table antics (that's correct, I don't approve of 50% of it which could be classified as disrespectful & belittling), away from the tables he was never less than friendly, approachable and pretty down to earth. So maybe I do feel a little compelled to defend him against the harsher critics.

And whilst stealing money from friends is reprehensible, there are several people who still frequent Luton G whose offences are far more despicable, and yet they're not banned. RX anyone?

Been pondering this issue of stealing from friends for awhile today, and your categorisation as "nut low" has made me think of more subtle ways that people steal from friends, in ways that the friends either accept or choose to ignore. How about the bloke in the group who always goes to the loos when it's his round; or waits till the very last round when maybe not everyone will want a drink? What about the people you go out for a meal with who always order the most expensive meals and drink like fish, since they know that the bill will be split? And then there's the friends who always forget to pay back the money that you lend them - perhaps just hoping you'll forget to ask - or simply forget? You might brush this off and say something such as "Oh, my mates would never do any of this intentionally." Really?

I'm not justifying WK's actions, I'm just saying that there's a lot of people in glass houses.
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« Reply #156 on: October 02, 2018, 11:51:29 PM »

Is he a qualified lawyer?  Does anyone actually know 100% first hand that he is?  Everything about him and his behaviour over a decade makes it hard to believe he is a lawyer for me and several others i have spoke to about this in the game.

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« Reply #157 on: October 03, 2018, 02:58:06 AM »

Is he a qualified lawyer?  Does anyone actually know 100% first hand that he is?  Everything about him and his behaviour over a decade makes it hard to believe he is a lawyer for me and several others i have spoke to about this in the game.



I'm certain that's what he did before his poker career kicked off, but can't prove it. Bunch of the pages related to him have gone, so they're not going to help.
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« Reply #158 on: October 03, 2018, 07:52:07 AM »

Will is a qualified lawyer I can confirm that 100%
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« Reply #159 on: October 03, 2018, 10:04:26 AM »

Saying other people have done worse isn't an argument as to why he should be punished less, just raises the question as to why they havent been punished more.

It's obviously a commercial decision for the casino.

If it was up to me no one who had ever been caught doing anything shady would be allowed back in, as just because it is the first time they have been caught doesn't mean its the first time they have done it.
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« Reply #160 on: October 03, 2018, 01:51:47 PM »

Saying other people have done worse isn't an argument as to why he should be punished less, just raises the question as to why they havent been punished more.

It's obviously a commercial decision for the casino.

If it was up to me no one who had ever been caught doing anything shady would be allowed back in, as just because it is the first time they have been caught doesn't mean its the first time they have done it.

And also a requirement for Licensed Casinos to comply fully with GC requirements that they maintain a safe environment.

Incidentally, I saw reference to the "poker community" forgiving the chap. Now I don't have a dog in this fight, don't know the real facts, & don't really care one way or another, but I do know it's nothing to do with the poker community. It's a decision for Grosvenor, & Grosvenor alone. 
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« Reply #161 on: October 03, 2018, 11:31:49 PM »

Realization that lawyers can be bent needed ITT.
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« Reply #162 on: October 04, 2018, 12:43:54 PM »

I asked at luton g and there is a set email procedure for persons that are barred/suspended to send a email asking to be reinstated or for a meeting where they can put the reasons that they should have the decision reversed. I am thinking  time will have to pass before any reversal can have a chance .
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« Reply #163 on: October 04, 2018, 07:11:57 PM »

I asked at luton g and there is a set email procedure for persons that are barred/suspended to send a email asking to be reinstated or for a meeting where they can put the reasons that they should have the decision reversed. I am thinking  time will have to pass before any reversal can have a chance .

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« Reply #164 on: October 04, 2018, 07:17:51 PM »

I asked at luton g and there is a set email procedure for persons that are barred/suspended to send a email asking to be reinstated or for a meeting where they can put the reasons that they should have the decision reversed. I am thinking  time will have to pass before any reversal can have a chance .

He'd be on a draw to the 'are you nuts' and a re-draw to the 'are you fucking nuts'
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