schoolgirl who joined IS but wants to come home.

[BigAdz]

The interview can tug on my heartstrings all you like.

A line in the sand has to be drawn or suddenly it will be ok to join ISIS safe in the knowledge good old soft touch Blighty will let us back....

Just watch the bloody thing before commenting.

It isn't an interview that makes her look good.

I suspect the lines of people wanting to join ISIS in Syria right now will be pretty short.

Yes. I have watched the bloody thing. Thanks for wasting 7 minutes.

Still feel exactly the same.

People should have sympathy for me I didn't know what I was getting into......

Oh well.

[MANTIS01]

It's another shit-storm we could have done without, really. The last thing we need is another hugely divisive issue such as this.

Absolutely true. This whole storm-in-a-teacup is a joke when you consider that dozens of similar women and hundreds of men have already returned from ISIS and have carried on with their lives in Britain without any of this.

It's fair to say we all want to promote religious tolerance and mutual respect in this country. It's also fair to say genuine Muslims have suffered because ISIS terror is carried out in their name.

Do you think hundreds of ISIS associated Muslims mixing freely in our society helps that situation? Do you think British people being wary of Muslims carrying rucksacks at the train station would be justified when say thousands of ISIS Muslims are in our midst? You guys talk about Facebook bigots destabilising our society but kinda ignore the effect on society and particularly the image of Muslims this strategy creates. Can't see the benefit to anybody really.

[Pokerpops]

Playing devil's advocate here somewhat, but has the religious aspect been slightly overlooked here?

The idea of living in an ultra-orthodox caliphate might well have been a key selling-point in persuading deeply religious Muslims to travel to Syria.

Can a 15yr old be said to hold their own deeply religious views? The sense that these young people have been groomed and manipulated is very real.
We probably all held beliefs at 15 that we now see as being wrong. Even BigArz probably had some socialist tendencies in his teens.

We should continue to demonstrate our tolerance and to act as an example of all that is good in Western society. How else can we overcome the excessively intolerant nature of the ‘ultra-orthodox caliphate’.

I’m not suggesting that any specific individual should avoid investigation and possible prosecution for their actions btw. Just saying that before we exile this British citizen we better make damn sure that we have both a good reason for doing so, and a legal framework that allows us to do so.

It's alright Dodgy Dave. Let's all get blown up before we judge anyone.

Quick enough to judge people on here, but prepared to see the best in an ISIS girl.

Says it all really

37 people killed by terrorists in our country since 2010. You do seem overly worried about us all being blown up.

https://fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

Kush, you’ll be telling us that a democratically elected UK government is a bigger threat than ISIS next.

The problem with a ‘threat’ is it means we have to predict the future, we’re all terrible at that. We could just count how many of our citizens they killed, even allowing for the inevitable gross inaccuracies, it’s interesting.

Our Governments might make a complete pigs ear of things, do things we don’t like etc but they are elected by us in a democratic process.

ISIS however want to end of way of life, culture and democracy by any means.

You see what happens when they get some power - the outcome is horrific.

Implying some sort of comparison between the direct deaths from ISIS attacks and austerity is misguided and unnecessary IMO.

It is a good comparison, people are terrible at relative risks.   People losing their minds over this young woman, and people just shut kukushkin down over the link between austerity and the mortality rate.   The diesel/death link is pretty strong too, and I drive one.

Anyway, moving on.

There is a ten minute sky news interview with her on youtube.  I am on my phone and was defeated putting a link up.   I guess it could ve linked to me been unable to see any youtube link on my phone.

Amyway, it is an interesting watch.  She doesn't look in a good way mentally, but I expect that could just as easily be explained by a very recent birth.   She doesn't come across as some entitled young person just expecting a council house.   

It would be good if someone could put it up.

I think you missed the point Doobs.

Whilst the number of people killed directly by ISIS is low, the threat to our way of life, values and democracy by ISIS if unchecked is infinitely more important than the effects of the policies of a democratically elected government.

It would be interesting to know what you thought ISIS was actually going to do to threaten our way of life, values, democracy. Also I have no idea why it’s infinitely more important. One might kill people in large numbers, the other does. Why does it matter if we voted for it?

ISIS ambitions were way beyond Iraq and Syria.

They wanted to destroy western civilisation.

You might laugh at that and say that’s a crazy statement but it’s true.

Wasn’t that long ago we saw a German state killing 6 million Jews.

The truth of Godwin’s Law is confirmed once more. I’m surprised we got to page 8 given the starting point.

[bunnydas8888]

Do you think British people being wary of Muslims carrying rucksacks at the train station

What does a Muslim carrying a rucksack at a train station look like?

[Pokerpops]

Do you think British people being wary of Muslims carrying rucksacks at the train station

What does a Muslim carrying a rucksack at a train station look like?

A bit like a Catholic Brazilian electronics engineer.

[MANTIS01]

Do you think British people being wary of Muslims carrying rucksacks at the train station

What does a Muslim carrying a rucksack at a train station look like?

Follow the arrows...

[RickBFA]

Playing devil's advocate here somewhat, but has the religious aspect been slightly overlooked here?

The idea of living in an ultra-orthodox caliphate might well have been a key selling-point in persuading deeply religious Muslims to travel to Syria.

Can a 15yr old be said to hold their own deeply religious views? The sense that these young people have been groomed and manipulated is very real.
We probably all held beliefs at 15 that we now see as being wrong. Even BigArz probably had some socialist tendencies in his teens.

We should continue to demonstrate our tolerance and to act as an example of all that is good in Western society. How else can we overcome the excessively intolerant nature of the ‘ultra-orthodox caliphate’.

I’m not suggesting that any specific individual should avoid investigation and possible prosecution for their actions btw. Just saying that before we exile this British citizen we better make damn sure that we have both a good reason for doing so, and a legal framework that allows us to do so.

It's alright Dodgy Dave. Let's all get blown up before we judge anyone.

Quick enough to judge people on here, but prepared to see the best in an ISIS girl.

Says it all really

37 people killed by terrorists in our country since 2010. You do seem overly worried about us all being blown up.

https://fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

Kush, you’ll be telling us that a democratically elected UK government is a bigger threat than ISIS next.

The problem with a ‘threat’ is it means we have to predict the future, we’re all terrible at that. We could just count how many of our citizens they killed, even allowing for the inevitable gross inaccuracies, it’s interesting.

Our Governments might make a complete pigs ear of things, do things we don’t like etc but they are elected by us in a democratic process.

ISIS however want to end of way of life, culture and democracy by any means.

You see what happens when they get some power - the outcome is horrific.

Implying some sort of comparison between the direct deaths from ISIS attacks and austerity is misguided and unnecessary IMO.

It is a good comparison, people are terrible at relative risks.   People losing their minds over this young woman, and people just shut kukushkin down over the link between austerity and the mortality rate.   The diesel/death link is pretty strong too, and I drive one.

Anyway, moving on.

There is a ten minute sky news interview with her on youtube.  I am on my phone and was defeated putting a link up.   I guess it could ve linked to me been unable to see any youtube link on my phone.

Amyway, it is an interesting watch.  She doesn't look in a good way mentally, but I expect that could just as easily be explained by a very recent birth.   She doesn't come across as some entitled young person just expecting a council house.   

It would be good if someone could put it up.

I think you missed the point Doobs.

Whilst the number of people killed directly by ISIS is low, the threat to our way of life, values and democracy by ISIS if unchecked is infinitely more important than the effects of the policies of a democratically elected government.

It would be interesting to know what you thought ISIS was actually going to do to threaten our way of life, values, democracy. Also I have no idea why it’s infinitely more important. One might kill people in large numbers, the other does. Why does it matter if we voted for it?

ISIS ambitions were way beyond Iraq and Syria.

They wanted to destroy western civilisation.

You might laugh at that and say that’s a crazy statement but it’s true.

Wasn’t that long ago we saw a German state killing 6 million Jews.

The truth of Godwin’s Law is confirmed once more. I’m surprised we got to page 8 given the starting point.

History is what it is.

Throughout history, there are plenty of examples of dictatorships and extremists running contries and much worse.

Nazi Germany was just a more recent extreme version.

For us to assume we are immune from such extremists is naive.

[Doobs]

Playing devil's advocate here somewhat, but has the religious aspect been slightly overlooked here?

The idea of living in an ultra-orthodox caliphate might well have been a key selling-point in persuading deeply religious Muslims to travel to Syria.

Can a 15yr old be said to hold their own deeply religious views? The sense that these young people have been groomed and manipulated is very real.
We probably all held beliefs at 15 that we now see as being wrong. Even BigArz probably had some socialist tendencies in his teens.

We should continue to demonstrate our tolerance and to act as an example of all that is good in Western society. How else can we overcome the excessively intolerant nature of the ‘ultra-orthodox caliphate’.

I’m not suggesting that any specific individual should avoid investigation and possible prosecution for their actions btw. Just saying that before we exile this British citizen we better make damn sure that we have both a good reason for doing so, and a legal framework that allows us to do so.

It's alright Dodgy Dave. Let's all get blown up before we judge anyone.

Quick enough to judge people on here, but prepared to see the best in an ISIS girl.

Says it all really

37 people killed by terrorists in our country since 2010. You do seem overly worried about us all being blown up.

https://fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

Kush, you’ll be telling us that a democratically elected UK government is a bigger threat than ISIS next.

The problem with a ‘threat’ is it means we have to predict the future, we’re all terrible at that. We could just count how many of our citizens they killed, even allowing for the inevitable gross inaccuracies, it’s interesting.

Our Governments might make a complete pigs ear of things, do things we don’t like etc but they are elected by us in a democratic process.

ISIS however want to end of way of life, culture and democracy by any means.

You see what happens when they get some power - the outcome is horrific.

Implying some sort of comparison between the direct deaths from ISIS attacks and austerity is misguided and unnecessary IMO.

It is a good comparison, people are terrible at relative risks.   People losing their minds over this young woman, and people just shut kukushkin down over the link between austerity and the mortality rate.   The diesel/death link is pretty strong too, and I drive one.

Anyway, moving on.

There is a ten minute sky news interview with her on youtube.  I am on my phone and was defeated putting a link up.   I guess it could ve linked to me been unable to see any youtube link on my phone.

Amyway, it is an interesting watch.  She doesn't look in a good way mentally, but I expect that could just as easily be explained by a very recent birth.   She doesn't come across as some entitled young person just expecting a council house.   

It would be good if someone could put it up.

I think you missed the point Doobs.

Whilst the number of people killed directly by ISIS is low, the threat to our way of life, values and democracy by ISIS if unchecked is infinitely more important than the effects of the policies of a democratically elected government.

It would be interesting to know what you thought ISIS was actually going to do to threaten our way of life, values, democracy. Also I have no idea why it’s infinitely more important. One might kill people in large numbers, the other does. Why does it matter if we voted for it?

ISIS ambitions were way beyond Iraq and Syria.

They wanted to destroy western civilisation.

You might laugh at that and say that’s a crazy statement but it’s true.

Wasn’t that long ago we saw a German state killing 6 million Jews.

The truth of Godwin’s Law is confirmed once more. I’m surprised we got to page 8 given the starting point.

History is what it is.

Throughout history, there are plenty of examples of dictatorships and extremists running contries and much worse.

Nazi Germany was just a more recent extreme version.

For us to assume we are immune from such extremists is naive.

You are invoking the nazis whilst trying to strip her of her citizenship? 

[RickBFA]

Playing devil's advocate here somewhat, but has the religious aspect been slightly overlooked here?

The idea of living in an ultra-orthodox caliphate might well have been a key selling-point in persuading deeply religious Muslims to travel to Syria.

Can a 15yr old be said to hold their own deeply religious views? The sense that these young people have been groomed and manipulated is very real.
We probably all held beliefs at 15 that we now see as being wrong. Even BigArz probably had some socialist tendencies in his teens.

We should continue to demonstrate our tolerance and to act as an example of all that is good in Western society. How else can we overcome the excessively intolerant nature of the ‘ultra-orthodox caliphate’.

I’m not suggesting that any specific individual should avoid investigation and possible prosecution for their actions btw. Just saying that before we exile this British citizen we better make damn sure that we have both a good reason for doing so, and a legal framework that allows us to do so.

It's alright Dodgy Dave. Let's all get blown up before we judge anyone.

Quick enough to judge people on here, but prepared to see the best in an ISIS girl.

Says it all really

37 people killed by terrorists in our country since 2010. You do seem overly worried about us all being blown up.

https://fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

Kush, you’ll be telling us that a democratically elected UK government is a bigger threat than ISIS next.

The problem with a ‘threat’ is it means we have to predict the future, we’re all terrible at that. We could just count how many of our citizens they killed, even allowing for the inevitable gross inaccuracies, it’s interesting.

Our Governments might make a complete pigs ear of things, do things we don’t like etc but they are elected by us in a democratic process.

ISIS however want to end of way of life, culture and democracy by any means.

You see what happens when they get some power - the outcome is horrific.

Implying some sort of comparison between the direct deaths from ISIS attacks and austerity is misguided and unnecessary IMO.

It is a good comparison, people are terrible at relative risks.   People losing their minds over this young woman, and people just shut kukushkin down over the link between austerity and the mortality rate.   The diesel/death link is pretty strong too, and I drive one.

Anyway, moving on.

There is a ten minute sky news interview with her on youtube.  I am on my phone and was defeated putting a link up.   I guess it could ve linked to me been unable to see any youtube link on my phone.

Amyway, it is an interesting watch.  She doesn't look in a good way mentally, but I expect that could just as easily be explained by a very recent birth.   She doesn't come across as some entitled young person just expecting a council house.   

It would be good if someone could put it up.

I think you missed the point Doobs.

Whilst the number of people killed directly by ISIS is low, the threat to our way of life, values and democracy by ISIS if unchecked is infinitely more important than the effects of the policies of a democratically elected government.

It would be interesting to know what you thought ISIS was actually going to do to threaten our way of life, values, democracy. Also I have no idea why it’s infinitely more important. One might kill people in large numbers, the other does. Why does it matter if we voted for it?

ISIS ambitions were way beyond Iraq and Syria.

They wanted to destroy western civilisation.

You might laugh at that and say that’s a crazy statement but it’s true.

Wasn’t that long ago we saw a German state killing 6 million Jews.

The truth of Godwin’s Law is confirmed once more. I’m surprised we got to page 8 given the starting point.

History is what it is.

Throughout history, there are plenty of examples of dictatorships and extremists running contries and much worse.

Nazi Germany was just a more recent extreme version.

For us to assume we are immune from such extremists is naive.

You are invoking the nazis whilst trying to strip her of her citizenship? 

Bang out of order Doobs - I have not once commenting on the girl or what to do with her.

Re-read the thread - I expected better from you. Dont tar me with the same brush as others when I've not even commented on her.

If you want my take, I dont think we have a choice but to let her return if she wants to but put her on trial for whatever laws she has broken.

[RED-DOG]

If you want my take, I dont think we have a choice but to let her return if she wants to but put her on trial for whatever laws she has broken.

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days and this is the conclusion I've come to too.

[Doobs]

Playing devil's advocate here somewhat, but has the religious aspect been slightly overlooked here?

The idea of living in an ultra-orthodox caliphate might well have been a key selling-point in persuading deeply religious Muslims to travel to Syria.

Can a 15yr old be said to hold their own deeply religious views? The sense that these young people have been groomed and manipulated is very real.
We probably all held beliefs at 15 that we now see as being wrong. Even BigArz probably had some socialist tendencies in his teens.

We should continue to demonstrate our tolerance and to act as an example of all that is good in Western society. How else can we overcome the excessively intolerant nature of the ‘ultra-orthodox caliphate’.

I’m not suggesting that any specific individual should avoid investigation and possible prosecution for their actions btw. Just saying that before we exile this British citizen we better make damn sure that we have both a good reason for doing so, and a legal framework that allows us to do so.

It's alright Dodgy Dave. Let's all get blown up before we judge anyone.

Quick enough to judge people on here, but prepared to see the best in an ISIS girl.

Says it all really

37 people killed by terrorists in our country since 2010. You do seem overly worried about us all being blown up.

https://fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

Kush, you’ll be telling us that a democratically elected UK government is a bigger threat than ISIS next.

The problem with a ‘threat’ is it means we have to predict the future, we’re all terrible at that. We could just count how many of our citizens they killed, even allowing for the inevitable gross inaccuracies, it’s interesting.

Our Governments might make a complete pigs ear of things, do things we don’t like etc but they are elected by us in a democratic process.

ISIS however want to end of way of life, culture and democracy by any means.

You see what happens when they get some power - the outcome is horrific.

Implying some sort of comparison between the direct deaths from ISIS attacks and austerity is misguided and unnecessary IMO.

It is a good comparison, people are terrible at relative risks.   People losing their minds over this young woman, and people just shut kukushkin down over the link between austerity and the mortality rate.   The diesel/death link is pretty strong too, and I drive one.

Anyway, moving on.

There is a ten minute sky news interview with her on youtube.  I am on my phone and was defeated putting a link up.   I guess it could ve linked to me been unable to see any youtube link on my phone.

Amyway, it is an interesting watch.  She doesn't look in a good way mentally, but I expect that could just as easily be explained by a very recent birth.   She doesn't come across as some entitled young person just expecting a council house.   

It would be good if someone could put it up.

I think you missed the point Doobs.

Whilst the number of people killed directly by ISIS is low, the threat to our way of life, values and democracy by ISIS if unchecked is infinitely more important than the effects of the policies of a democratically elected government.

It would be interesting to know what you thought ISIS was actually going to do to threaten our way of life, values, democracy. Also I have no idea why it’s infinitely more important. One might kill people in large numbers, the other does. Why does it matter if we voted for it?

ISIS ambitions were way beyond Iraq and Syria.

They wanted to destroy western civilisation.

You might laugh at that and say that’s a crazy statement but it’s true.

Wasn’t that long ago we saw a German state killing 6 million Jews.

The truth of Godwin’s Law is confirmed once more. I’m surprised we got to page 8 given the starting point.

History is what it is.

Throughout history, there are plenty of examples of dictatorships and extremists running contries and much worse.

Nazi Germany was just a more recent extreme version.

For us to assume we are immune from such extremists is naive.

You are invoking the nazis whilst trying to strip her of her citizenship? 

Bang out of order Doobs - I have not once commenting on the girl or what to do with her.

Re-read the thread - I expected better from you. Dont tar me with the same brush as others when I've not even commented on her.

If you want my take, I dont think we have a choice but to let her return if she wants to but put her on trial for whatever laws she has broken.

Sorry Rick, I was mistaken.  It was a genuine mistake.

[the sicilian]

TBH after reading the Sky interview, she made me feel a bit uneasy.

I do believe when she left she was a naive 15  year old child, conditioned into a certain way of thinking. I dread to think of the life she has experienced in the years since and her mindset must be completely alien now.

However she is a British citizen and I believe we have allowed far worse back into this country with nothing akin to this controversy. The government needs to intervene, interview and come to a choice and put a stop to all the assuming and public courts.

[BigAdz]

From everything I have seen,read, listened to etc, the majority of people in this country don't want her allowed back in.

We all know what happens when there is a majority these days.....

[Woodsey]

From everything I have seen,read, listened to etc, the majority of people in this country don't want her allowed back in.

We all know what happens when there is a majority these days.....

Whining from sanctimonious lefties?

[Karabiner]

From everything I have seen,read, listened to etc, the majority of people in this country don't want her allowed back in.

We all know what happens when there is a majority these days.....

A People's Vote?