schoolgirl who joined IS but wants to come home.

[Woodsey]

Interesting thread.

Guess Bigadz if it was your daughter who’d be groomed by Muslims you’d have exactly the same view. She made her bed- let her rot?

I have never had kids for 2 reasons.

Mainly too selfish with my own time, but because I still believe in some fairly draconian principles, that sadly have been lost in today's society.

All are based around being a good citizen then no one can touch you.

No. I would wash my hands of her and not just change my opinion because she was my kid.

Can tell you’ve not got kids. You can’t just wash your hands of your own flesh and blood.

Point is I get the concerns over security but can’t help but feel is this was a white girl who had been groomed by Muslim men things would be different.

What a load of horse poop, I washed my hands of a brother for way less in the blink of an eye.....

I can also think of at least 4 people that have washed their hands of a child, one of them a pair of twins, once again for less than is the situation here.

[DungBeetle]

Interesting thread.

Guess Bigadz if it was your daughter who’d be groomed by Muslims you’d have exactly the same view. She made her bed- let her rot?

I have never had kids for 2 reasons.

Mainly too selfish with my own time, but because I still believe in some fairly draconian principles, that sadly have been lost in today's society.

All are based around being a good citizen then no one can touch you.

No. I would wash my hands of her and not just change my opinion because she was my kid.

Can tell you’ve not got kids. You can’t just wash your hands of your own flesh and blood.

Point is I get the concerns over security but can’t help but feel is this was a white girl who had been groomed by Muslim men things would be different.

Well played.  Wonder how the public would feel about a Muslim girl groomed by white terrorists?   Doubt the racist thickits could compute that one eh?

[arbboy]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-6718019/Dont-let-women-wedded-terror-come-home.html

Woodsey and Adz could easily ghost for Piers. 

[George2Loose]

Interesting thread.

Guess Bigadz if it was your daughter who’d be groomed by Muslims you’d have exactly the same view. She made her bed- let her rot?

I have never had kids for 2 reasons.

Mainly too selfish with my own time, but because I still believe in some fairly draconian principles, that sadly have been lost in today's society.

All are based around being a good citizen then no one can touch you.

No. I would wash my hands of her and not just change my opinion because she was my kid.

Can tell you’ve not got kids. You can’t just wash your hands of your own flesh and blood.

Point is I get the concerns over security but can’t help but feel is this was a white girl who had been groomed by Muslim men things would be different.

Not criticising anyone on here btw. Can see both viewpoints- just think the whole thing would be reported and dealt with differently

Well played.  Wonder how the public would feel about a Muslim girl groomed by white terrorists?   Doubt the racist thickits could compute that one eh?

[George2Loose]

Interesting thread.

Guess Bigadz if it was your daughter who’d be groomed by Muslims you’d have exactly the same view. She made her bed- let her rot?

I have never had kids for 2 reasons.

Mainly too selfish with my own time, but because I still believe in some fairly draconian principles, that sadly have been lost in today's society.

All are based around being a good citizen then no one can touch you.

No. I would wash my hands of her and not just change my opinion because she was my kid.

Can tell you’ve not got kids. You can’t just wash your hands of your own flesh and blood.

Point is I get the concerns over security but can’t help but feel is this was a white girl who had been groomed by Muslim men things would be different.

What a load of horse poop, I washed my hands of a brother for way less in the blink of an eye.....

As expected

[MANTIS01]

The crime of deserting your country and joining the opposition who kill your innocent citizens is a race issue how? I’d say it’s the same crime whatever the colour of your skin. Some posters are so racialist imo.

[George2Loose]

The handling of it by the media would be completely different

[Doobs]

The crime of deserting your country and joining the opposition who kill your innocent citizens is a race issue how? I’d say it’s the same crime whatever the colour of your skin. Some posters are so racialist imo.

I pointed out how The Sun described the Muslim war hero earlier.   You find me a Sun story where they describe Churchill in a similar way then we'll believe there isn't no racism in the reporting of this.

[Doobs]

Here's Jacob Rees Mogg's take on it. It's only 1m 22 secs, so an easy watch.


https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1096183550410481667

I'm not sure how watching JRM for longer than several seconds can ever be an easy watch.

I’m sure that some will find it difficult to watch. I wouldn’t want to have to live next door to those who disagree with him as strongly as some of the seemingly alt-right sympathisers who post here.

The Blonde alt-right truly are extraordinary. Anyone who says British and international law should be applied is lily livered. The man delivering the message is afraid of 19 year old girls from Bethnal Green. He also thinks people saying something and people thinking something is the same thing.

If you say seeing a severed head in a bin is no biggie...How likely is it that you actually think that? Does saying it make it more or less likely that you actually think it? (It’s nuanced this one)

Adz is an interesting one, ranges between: “I know nothing about anything”, it’s hard to dislike anyone who judges the appropriate level of their own humlility that well. We then get to hear that he knew exactly (in some respects) what was going on in the head of a 15 year old girl 4 years ago.

I don't claim to know what was going on in her head. But its pretty bloody obvious!!

She didn't go over there for a holiday, thinking England is a wonderful place and I leave here wishing the best for all her citizens, while I pop over to Syria and do some baking, whilst I pop out a few kids for some gun toting maniac who believes his god(one of thousands)is the one true god and has convinced him that killing everyone that doesn't believe in his god should die....

Or was she thinking something else, and she is now no longer a risk to society over here?



Anyway, lets forget about what she thinks or thought.

How do you think the people in this country who have lost family to the actions of ISIS would feel if we took this idiot back and stuck her in a nice council house, and gave her the usual set of benefits we seem do happy to "dole" out?

She said in the interview that she went expecting to share a house with her friends; I think that was what was said at the time too.  We have little way of knowing how she went from that to marrying a stranger in 3 weeks.  We simply don't know what choices she really had. 

Before she left she was doing well at school; so I guess she isn't your typical school drop out heading for a life on the dole.  We just don't know right now.   

I can't be sure right now, but wasn't it you that acknowledged there were hundreds of people who likely fought in Syria that are walking free in this country.   Surely Sajid Javid should be focusing on them and not a new mother stuck in Syria that is likely to have never taken part in combat.   But politics, meh.

You liberals just keep picking the bits that that you pull a few holes in but NEVER answer the big ones.

What do you think she went there for? What were her motives?

Knowing that she knew what we do, they surely weren't good intentions.

What do the families of those killed by ISIS feel. Should we put their feelings behind those of an idiot that went and wants to come back?

Please DOOBS/KUSH/TRAV/POPS stop picking your spots and answer the above. The bits that DO matter.

I don't know her motives, and neither do you, they were more likely to be religious than any intention of killing.  Many people don't think my way, your way, or the way we expect.

I expect many of those families want to see justice against their killers and not against some random that wasn't involved.  But that isn't a universal reaction.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/17/peter-kassigs-parents-statement-beheading-isis

I think his parents showed enormous courage in the circumstances; there are many different ways to be brave.

Why are you against her coming back and facing a fair trial?

bumped for Adz who missed me answering his question before

[MANTIS01]

Liberals always pour scorn on what the Sun writes as utter bollox

Now they refer to said utter bollox to validate a faux point.

It’s not a race issue no matter what The Sun report.

If something is bollox it’s bollox.

So the actual point we’re establishing here is what’s in The Sun is bollox. Well done everybody. Next case.

[Karabiner]

Liberals always pour scorn on what the Sun writes as utter bollox

Now they refer to said utter bollox to validate a faux point.

It’s not a race issue no matter what The Sun report.

If something is bollox it’s bollox.

So the actual point we’re establishing here is what’s in The Sun is bollox. Well done everybody. Next case.

Take away the number you first thought of..

[BigAdz]

Interesting thread.

Guess Bigadz if it was your daughter who’d be groomed by Muslims you’d have exactly the same view. She made her bed- let her rot?

I have never had kids for 2 reasons.

Mainly too selfish with my own time, but because I still believe in some fairly draconian principles, that sadly have been lost in today's society.

All are based around being a good citizen then no one can touch you.

No. I would wash my hands of her and not just change my opinion because she was my kid.

Can tell you’ve not got kids. You can’t just wash your hands of your own flesh and blood.

Point is I get the concerns over security but can’t help but feel is this was a white girl who had been groomed by Muslim men things would be different.

Oh FFs, here we go

Had to switch off after this.

Its very easy to play race card to these days when you can't/won't understand another point of view, and hope everyone is too scared to argue in case they get further tainted.

Sorry. What exactly do you think would be different? That we would be saying "poor girl, come on home and all is forgiven?"

[Karabiner]

I know it was a long time ago but that is almost exectly what happened to Patty Hearst.

[RED-DOG]

Interesting thread.

Guess Bigadz if it was your daughter who’d be groomed by Muslims you’d have exactly the same view. She made her bed- let her rot?

I have never had kids for 2 reasons.

Mainly too selfish with my own time, but because I still believe in some fairly draconian principles, that sadly have been lost in today's society.

All are based around being a good citizen then no one can touch you.

No. I would wash my hands of her and not just change my opinion because she was my kid.

Can tell you’ve not got kids. You can’t just wash your hands of your own flesh and blood.

Point is I get the concerns over security but can’t help but feel is this was a white girl who had been groomed by Muslim men things would be different.

Oh FFs, here we go

Had to switch off after this.

Its very easy to play race card to these days when you can't/won't understand another point of view, and hope everyone is too scared to argue in case they get further tainted.

Sorry. What exactly do you think would be different? That we would be saying "poor girl, come on home and all is forgiven?"

I think I'm on your side in this in principle, although I do believe that we have to allow her back at the end of the day. After all, she's a Brit, it's our mess, we have to take responsibility)

However, you seem to think that people who don't agree with you "can't/won't understand another point of view"

Well I'm sure George and everyone else understands your point of view, they just don't agree.

It would be just as easy for them to say you don't/won't understand theirs.

[BigAdz]

Interesting thread.

Guess Bigadz if it was your daughter who’d be groomed by Muslims you’d have exactly the same view. She made her bed- let her rot?

I have never had kids for 2 reasons.

Mainly too selfish with my own time, but because I still believe in some fairly draconian principles, that sadly have been lost in today's society.

All are based around being a good citizen then no one can touch you.

No. I would wash my hands of her and not just change my opinion because she was my kid.

Can tell you’ve not got kids. You can’t just wash your hands of your own flesh and blood.

Point is I get the concerns over security but can’t help but feel is this was a white girl who had been groomed by Muslim men things would be different.

Oh FFs, here we go

Had to switch off after this.

Its very easy to play race card to these days when you can't/won't understand another point of view, and hope everyone is too scared to argue in case they get further tainted.

Sorry. What exactly do you think would be different? That we would be saying "poor girl, come on home and all is forgiven?"

I think I'm on your side in this in principle, although I do believe that we have to allow her back at the end of the day. After all, she's a Brit, it's our mess, we have to take responsibility)

However, you seem to think that people who don't agree with you "can't/won't understand another point of view"

Well I'm sure George and everyone else understands your point of view, they just don't agree.

It would be just as easy for them to say you don't/won't understand theirs.

I understand your point, but I think we both know it's not really about the agreeing with a principle or not, its the dragging the race card out when we don't agree that I disapprove of and was trying to make a point about in this instance.