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« on: June 11, 2019, 09:31:49 AM »

The BBC is scrapping the free tv license for over 75s.

"The free TV licence was originally introduced to combat pensioner poverty, which has halved in the last 30 years to 15 percent.

"There is simply no reason why retired judges, lawyers, bankers and doctors should receive a free TV licence when younger generations are struggling financially."

“Scrapping the free licence could potentially push around 50,000 more pensioners below the poverty line,” says Caroline Abrahams, Age UK’s charity director. She adds that “just over 40 per cent of people aged 75+ in the UK won’t be able to afford a TV licence, or will have to cut back on essentials to pay for it”.

Why is there an expectation from the government that the BBC should foot the bill for this? 

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2019, 09:39:58 AM »

My understanding is that the government currently pays the license fee on behalf of the over 75’s
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2019, 09:53:56 AM »

Bugger. I was looking forward to that.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2019, 10:02:10 AM »

The BBC is scrapping the free tv license for over 75s.

"The free TV licence was originally introduced to combat pensioner poverty, which has halved in the last 30 years to 15 percent.

"There is simply no reason why retired judges, lawyers, bankers and doctors should receive a free TV licence when younger generations are struggling financially."

“Scrapping the free licence could potentially push around 50,000 more pensioners below the poverty line,” says Caroline Abrahams, Age UK’s charity director. She adds that “just over 40 per cent of people aged 75+ in the UK won’t be able to afford a TV licence, or will have to cut back on essentials to pay for it”.

Why is there an expectation from the government that the BBC should foot the bill for this? 

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Why is there an expectation that the government should pay for it?

Also - "...just over 40 per cent of people aged 75+ in the UK won’t be able to afford a TV licence..." coupled with the BBC figures that a third of them will still get a free licence suggests that the difficulty only applies to 7% of over 75s anyway.

But mainly it was a blatant bribe for votes that didn't work anyway, it's not like generations of people have had this perk that's being taken away.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2019, 11:39:01 AM »

It's been live since 2003 so plenty of people have had the freebie.

I think you only get it free if you claim the right pension credits which are one of the benefits that are most often not applied for when eligible. Perhaps they need to spend some money educating older people on claiming these.

2.2 million over 75's live alone in this country (over half of the total). Half of all over 75's are disabled or in poor health so are often housebound and isolated.

TV doesn't solve loneliness but it does often help offer some solace.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2019, 12:52:40 PM »

The rhetoric of these debates always catches my eye...

Old people will have “to cut back on essentials” to pay for tv license

How can an item be essential if you can voluntarily do without it?

Particularly when trading it for a non essential item.

Is it really like, “nope I’m not getting that toilet roll because season 4 of Antiques Road Trip is more important than a clean bottom??
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2019, 01:05:11 PM »

The rhetoric of these debates always catches my eye...

Old people will have “to cut back on essentials” to pay for tv license

How can an item be essential if you can voluntarily do without it?

Particularly when trading it for a non essential item.

Is it really like, “nope I’m not getting that toilet roll because season 4 of Antiques Road Trip is more important than a clean bottom??


There was a whole bunch of other stuff I could reply with, but this is probably the most important bit.

If an OAP will actually have to choose between a TV license and eating (for example) then not having the TV Licence isn't really the big issue here.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2019, 01:57:36 PM »


How can an item be essential if you can voluntarily do without it?


You can voluntarily do without education, health care, religion.

Many would argue that access to these is an essential human need/right.

There are many old people that go days/weeks/months without seeing or speaking to another human. That doesn't make a tv license essential obviously but you can see what I am getting at.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2019, 01:59:44 PM »

The rhetoric of these debates always catches my eye...

Old people will have “to cut back on essentials” to pay for tv license

How can an item be essential if you can voluntarily do without it?

Particularly when trading it for a non essential item.

Is it really like, “nope I’m not getting that toilet roll because season 4 of Antiques Road Trip is more important than a clean bottom??


There was a whole bunch of other stuff I could reply with, but this is probably the most important bit.

If an OAP will actually have to choose between a TV license and eating (for example) then not having the TV Licence isn't really the big issue here.


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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 02:02:23 PM »


How can an item be essential if you can voluntarily do without it?


You can voluntarily do without education, health care, religion.

Many would argue that access to these is an essential human need/right.

There are many old people that go days/weeks/months without seeing or speaking to another human. That doesn't make a tv license essential obviously but you can see what I am getting at.

Loneliness in old age is a problem
Poverty in old age is a problem

Rather than tackling either of these I'm sure giving them free TV will do just as well.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2019, 02:07:25 PM »

As long as you are breathing everything else is optional. Be thankful you're born and stop sponging off the rest of us.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2019, 02:32:45 PM »

Some more background here:-

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jun/10/seeds-of-bbc-licence-fee-decision-deftly-planted-by-george-osborne

If it does anything then hopefully it will encourage more people to go out and claim pension credits.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2019, 03:40:01 PM »

As long as you are breathing everything else is optional. Be thankful you're born and stop sponging off the rest of us.


I would like to see a bit more background to this post. I can't grasp what it means or who it's aimed at in the contest of the current discussion.

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2019, 03:46:49 PM »

As long as you are breathing everything else is optional. Be thankful you're born and stop sponging off the rest of us.


I would like to see a bit more background to this post. I can't grasp what it means or who it's aimed at in the contest of the current discussion.



Comments such as "How can an item be essential if you can voluntarily do without it?"

Similar to "they can't be that poor if they have a flat screen TV".

I would like to think we are a rich enough society that we have certain minimum levels of living but a lot of people wouldn't agree with that. Or at least there'd be disagreements as to what those levels are.
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2019, 03:53:46 PM »

As long as you are breathing everything else is optional. Be thankful you're born and stop sponging off the rest of us.


I would like to see a bit more background to this post. I can't grasp what it means or who it's aimed at in the contest of the current discussion.



Comments such as "How can an item be essential if you can voluntarily do without it?"

Similar to "they can't be that poor if they have a flat screen TV".

I would like to think we are a rich enough society that we have certain minimum levels of living but a lot of people wouldn't agree with that. Or at least there'd be disagreements as to what those levels are.

Oh. I thought you actually meant that long as someone is breathing everything else is optional and that they should be thankful they're born and stop sponging off the rest of us.

lol.
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