Playing pocket Kings versus a board ace.

[NoflopsHomer]

This happened to me earlier today: I'm Foaming_H in seat 4.

Game #612745904: Texas Hold'em No Limit (100/200) - 2005/07/02 - 14:56:08 (UK)
Table "Tourney 762697 - 2" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: rober (3335 in chips)
Seat 2: ProdigyNH (3110 in chips)
Seat 3: __dog__ (5070 in chips)
Seat 4: Foaming_h (5582.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Pasbesoin (12655 in chips)
Seat 6: donross (2785 in chips)
Seat 8: Dougyfish (6810 in chips)
Seat 9: Toadave (6915 in chips)
Seat 10: Tito123 (5495 in chips)
__dog__: posts small blind 100
Foaming_h: posts big blind 200
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Foaming_h [ ]
Pasbesoin: folds
donross: folds
Dougyfish: raises to 400
Toadave: folds
Tito123: folds
rober: folds
ProdigyNH: folds
__dog__: calls 300
Foaming_h: raises to 1200
Dougyfish: calls 800
__dog__: folds
----- FLOP ----- [ As ]

Now, as I have to act first, what bet would you make?

[Ironside]

with the money being that shallow i would have gone all in preflop

because you have a raiser and a caller meaning afull raise would have been 1600

nearly 30% of your stack once you are willing to put 30% of your stack in

you are really commiting yourself to the pot and therefore should be the

raiser not the caller and get them all in picking up the money preflop or getting all

in as a 2-1 favourite vrs Arag or bigger favourite vrs pocket pair or suited connectors

once you made the mistake of underraing preflop you have 2 choices on the flop

represent the Ace and go all in or check fold

[NoflopsHomer]

Yeah, I did end up check-folding, fortunately I picked up Kings again later and doubled up against the same guy who had 9's.

[ifm]

I'd bet half the pot 1200, if you are reraised throw it away you are still ok with 3200ish and you either win it or know you're beat.
If you check he bets and you can't call, if you go allin you are hoping he ain't got an ace and that's a big hope-suicide really.
Ian

[AdamM]

I dont think check fold is a bad move, assuming he bet fairly stiff. as Ironside said, your only other bet was allin before he gets a chance. if it's a medium A he might even put it down

[AdamM]

I'd bet half the pot 1200, if you are reraised throw it away you are still ok with 3200ish

also perfectly reasonable advice

[NoflopsHomer]

I'm always very wary of minimum raises, I don't like to use them personally because you tend to be inviting the call from rags in the BB.

[Royal Flush]

Moving all in is far worse than check calling.


You need to make a decision here, either u are miles ahead or miles behind, so the only options are check call a bluff, or check fold to the ace.

[Ironside]

any call on the flop is waste of chips as you have 2 more bets to call (the turn and river)

either bet or fold

[Royal Flush]

Well either he has an ace or he doesnt.

If he does your fecked.

If he doesnt then why would u want to push him of the flop when u are miles ahead, far better to call a bluff.

It depends on the size of the bet, if he moves all in i think a call is a better move, if the bet is around the 1/2pot-pot size then a fold is a better move.

[Ironside]

lets say he bets 1200 you call
then 1800 on turn you call

then you call all in on river

if your going to put another chip into pot bet all in on flop

ior personal i would check fold

[tikay]

And all I can add is.....welcome to blonde, noflopshomer!

And I would not have played KK either. I just wait for Aces.

[ifm]

My point is if you check he almost certainly will bet and you can't call, you may as well have a pop at the pot than just give up.
You can't go allin cuz if he has got an ace you will lose and you just gave 3200 chips and your tourny away.
If you bet half the pot and he flat calls then you get to see if a king comes or a spade and then rethink.
His initial raise and subsequent call does not suggest a rag ace but it is the internet after all!!
Ian

[snoopy1239]

The guy's raised and then called the reraise. You have to think about what he might have from that series of events. Unless he's an erratic player, of which should be noted in your notes, he's got aa, ak, aq, qq, jj. Maybe 10s or aj, but it depends on what type of player he is. Anyhow, taking those options into consideration, there are quite a few possibilites that involve the ace.

My opinion would be that you should just accept that you should have made a bigger preflop raise, swallow your pride, and check. Like you said, you doubled up later. Is it really worth risking the all-in when there is a pretty good chance he has the ace?

I wouldn't halfbet the pot either. This is often a tell-tale sign that someone is weak, so you may get reraised whether he has the ace or not. If he calls, have you really learnt that much? You've still got to play first on the turn.

The worst thing you can do in my humble opinion would be too check and then call it down. Sometimes you've just gotta let it go.

[M POWER]

I would of shoved it all-in, pressed the pannick button on the 4 street.
Hit the king on the river then waited for the abuse.