Grosvenor Midlands Medley - Day 2

[JP]

In Finland we had 150 players for a €2000 freezeout. They paid 9 players only which I thought was brilliant.
I turn up for a £100 freezeout that had 29 players or something and that also paid 9. Where is the logic in this??
I don't know about the majority but I am playing to win every single chip in the tourney why should the hangers on get rewarded??

(In the 29 player comp there was a request to give something to 10th and I was given dirty looks for refusing after I complained before hand at the amount of players being paid)

[The Camel]

I think 9 got paid in Sheffield. I am really referring to the prize money jumps, not the number of prizes. What would you prefer to see Keith?

No, it was ten! nearly a quarter of the field got paid. Ridiculous IMO.

I hate to go against the crowd but I think the payout structure is fine, except I wouldn't pay down to 18.

Poker is about winning and the winner should get at least 40% of the prize money.

Every comp this week has ended up in a deal.

And that is the right of the players to decide this.

The decision is forced upon them because top heavy structures leave them no reasonabe alternative

If players want to do a deal, fine. That is their prerogative.

But why penalise he players who want to win big money by enforcing a flat payout structure on them?

Because they are in the minority, why are so many deals done, why do YOU do deals?

I don't understand the stigma with a deal.

I would like the option of doing a deal if it suits, or playing on if it suits.

A flat pay out structure means I don't have that option.

[RED-DOG]

Hi Kojak I remember you <shudder>

[I KNOW IT]

That is what i cannot understand Jen. Players keep turning up paying their cash and playing yet almost all think the prize structures are poor.At the end of the tourney a deal will be done and the highlight event of the week will end like a damp squib, same last week, same next week and same almost every week for the rest of the year. How many more events have to be spoilt before Casinos listen?

Richard the casino manager showed me a suggested reconstructed prize break down on Friday which was great.
There were in slight increases in money at the 18th -10th positions and the final payouts were a lot flatter.
Dont know why they didnt use it, unless they had already advertised the present structure and it was too late.

Craig.

I was told that all the player representatives at Walsall were shown the prize structure before the festival commenced. It was agreed upon, which is why it is now in place.

I was asked to attend the last meeting ,just before the festival. I wasnt shown the proposed prize structure for the festival so I cant comment on if it was shown previously.
After seeing the current prize structure I voiced mine and a few others concerns to Paul the General Manager.
The next day Richard asked my opinion on a new structure which I thought was great.

[bobby1]

Hi to Red-dog - Its been a while! Sat next to you in a 300 tourney last year - I had KK first hand, doubled up and then doubled again with AA against you!! lol, that hasnt happened since

In reference to structures, lets be realistic guys, if you flaten a prizepool so that everyone gets cream on there cake then you will feel slightly deprived of elmea if you win the competion and only get paid 25-45%. Poker IS about winning and evryones time will come...

Good luck to Nieve, she bought me a bottle of Cote de Rhone red at Masters.. and she drank3/4!!! lol

Kojak (Harry)

But nobody gets 40% anyway because deals get done. The players are changing the structure in just about all comps themsleves and are happy to take a much smaller % then.

[RED-DOG]

I think 9 got paid in Sheffield. I am really referring to the prize money jumps, not the number of prizes. What would you prefer to see Keith?

No, it was ten! nearly a quarter of the field got paid. Ridiculous IMO.

I hate to go against the crowd but I think the payout structure is fine, except I wouldn't pay down to 18.

Poker is about winning and the winner should get at least 40% of the prize money.

Every comp this week has ended up in a deal.

And that is the right of the players to decide this.

The decision is forced upon them because top heavy structures leave them no reasonabe alternative

If players want to do a deal, fine. That is their prerogative.

But why penalise he players who want to win big money by enforcing a flat payout structure on them?

Because they are in the minority, why are so many deals done, why do YOU do deals?

I don't understand the stigma with a deal.

I would like the option of doing a deal if it suits, or playing on if it suits.

A flat pay out structure means I don't have that option.

Thats Flatter, not "Flat" and of course you still have the option

[The Camel]

Hi to Red-dog - Its been a while! Sat next to you in a 300 tourney last year - I had KK first hand, doubled up and then doubled again with AA against you!! lol, that hasnt happened since

In reference to structures, lets be realistic guys, if you flaten a prizepool so that everyone gets cream on there cake then you will feel slightly deprived of elmea if you win the competion and only get paid 25-45%. Poker IS about winning and evryones time will come...

Good luck to Nieve, she bought me a bottle of Cote de Rhone red at Masters.. and she drank3/4!!! lol

Kojak (Harry)

But nobody gets 40% anyway because deals get done. The players are changing the structure in just about all comps themsleves and are happy to take a much smaller % then.

Bobby,

What I'm trying to say is, that it's nice to have the option.

[Djinn]

James Atkin decides it's time for a raise of Ronnie Debeaulox's big blind with  .  It's about that again to cover Ronnie's quick move all-in, although James didn't look thrilled to be putting more money in: "You got me but I have to call..."
And indeed got he was - Ronnie showed  . 
The board showed the possibility of a split on the turn, but it wasn't to be, and James admitted, "I made a bit of a mistake there..."

[actionjack]

well said tom

[RED-DOG]

well said tom

Thanks Paul, support from an influential and unexpected quater

Keith is a heavyweight in the poker world, I needed a hand there

[Djinn]

The 11th place finisher was MH Kazi just moments previously - a tense crowd came round the table as Don The Thinker raised and Kazi pushed all-in on the small blind.  115k in the pot - and The Thinker thought for a long time, and even roared with apparent frustration before deciding that going for it with wasn't so bad after all.  He was up against    - which soon looked in bad shape as a Queen fell on the flop and lots of red low cards followed it.

So we are officially Upon The Bubble, and hand for hand until the final proper...

[RED-DOG]

GOOOO DON!!!!

[actionjack]

my opinion is it is so hard to get a result and you need so much luck to get to last 2 or 3 its pants that if you dont make top 2 the money is usually not worth the effort you put in to get there.
I think the pay structure should be flatter so that all those that get to the final feel like they are winners .

i would be interested to know whether most players would prefer the greedy structure or the the flatter split . I dont know know what other players think but i prefer the flatter split - probably because i like to plodd into the money .

[Djinn]

A HUGE groan just went up around the bubbler who did his thing just seconds ago - Snoops was ringside to bring you the news of the Disappointment and the Joy...

[snoopy1239]

Micky Herron is OUT in 10th.

Phil Peters raises 45k preflop from the cut-off.

Simon Zach moves all-in from the small blind.

Micky Herron dwells for what seemed like a liftetime.

Micky was assured by Dani that if both he and Peters exited on this hand, then Micky would be paid for 9th place due to having more chips.

Eventually he called.

Phil Peters folded.

On their backs...

Simon Zach =

Micky Herron =

Flop =

Turn =

River =

Simon Zach takes a massive pot with a straight.