A terrible tournament rule

[Robert HM]

Good post AT

[Alex Scott]

I think that starting threads on two forums with no inherent content other than to direct the reader to your own website is spamming. You may not consider it as such but, certainly on here, we're used to reading actual content on the forum or on the main site - it's not an aggregation site for links to things posted elsewhere.

Okay, I get your point, but it genuinely wasn't my intention to spam the forum, it was just easier to post the link. In future I won't do that.

I'm sorry if the article offended anybody who works in the industry. Obviously if you care enough to read it, the criticisms aren't aimed at you. The article just states my opinions based on my personal experience, and the whole point of posting the article on forums was so I could hear some contrary opinions.

I'd say that less than 0.1% of poker players are colluders. This might be slightly higher in live tournaments, since players tend to attend these events with their friends and not by themselves, but the figure is probably still extremely low.'

That comment was based on my experience working with online poker sites. I don't have access to the exact figure, but I can guarantee it is lower than 0.1%.

[AdamM]

poker betting is bartering a price to continue.
round one players are agreeing a price to see the flop.
round two players are agreeing a price to see the turn
round three players are agreeing a price to see the river
round four players are agreeing a price TO TURN THE CARDS ON THEIR BACKS.

sorry Alex but I think you're wrong.

also your minor irritation about the flop being dealt one at a time. better than someone accidentally flopping too many cards which I've seen.

[AndrewT]

I'd say that less than 0.1% of poker players are colluders. This might be slightly higher in live tournaments, since players tend to attend these events with their friends and not by themselves, but the figure is probably still extremely low.

That comment was based on my experience working with online poker sites. I don't have access to the exact figure, but I can guarantee it is lower than 0.1%.

If you include all players, then it is. But if you don't include all the freeroll/low limit players, then I'd say 1 in 1000 could be on the conservative side as an estimate. If you include those who are chip dumping/colluding as part of non-poker inspired fraud (stolen credit cards/money laundering) then it certainly is.

'Same village' soft-playing in live tournaments certainly runs greater than 0.1%.

[londonpokergirl]

My point was that collusion is extremely rare, and the instances where this rule would help detect it are even more rare. I'd love to hear someone come up with a more accurate figure
However, the average tournament director or dealer in the UK knows much less about the game than their US equivalent, and that shows on the games. I think that is something that should change..

I think you are very naive to think that collusion is extremely rare.  I've seen it happen a few times and had to pull up the cardroom manager at the time to sort it out, however when i'm running tournaments/cash games i'm always watching out for it.

and sorry but i'm not your average tournament director.  I use TDA rules which are american rules and adapt for UK, but its not fair to say that UK directors/dealers know less about the game than the US equivalent.  How do you class Thomas Kremser who isn't american and one of the worlds best?  

You do make some valid points  but its unfair to class everybody the same.

Me, Bluewolf, Dik9 and Yogi are doing our best to change structures, payouts and anything we can to help poker players

[dik9]

That comment was based on my experience working with online poker sites. I don't have access to the exact figure, but I can guarantee it is lower than 0.1%.

 

[thetank]

Online players caught colluding less than 1 in 1000. I could believe that.


To suggest that the number of live players who are colluding is anywhere near that small is frankly just pig ignorant.

[ifm]

The trouble with collusion (more so live) is how do you know?
It is so difficult to prove (not to recognise) that i doubt if more than a handful of people have been penalised for it in years.

[londonpokergirl]

Well the one which springs to mind is on a final table when somebody showed AA preflop
in Nottingham,  he got banned

I've also heard people muttering their hands under their breath,  and scratching nose etc to a colleague that they have a big hand, it regularly happens , just that not all people are observant to it

[tikay]

What an extraodinary thread....!

blonde is safe, the Members themselves keep it that way for us all.

Proud to be blonde.

[fatshaft]

I think I said enough on THM 

[Ironside]

alex dont let this thread put you off posting on blonde your views are always welcome, just remember when putting your views up that some people will disagree with you,

blonde has a diverse membership including alot of staff in casinos many join this forum to try and help improve the game and therefore take critism that they are just looking to fleece the punters very hard.

as has already been stated many times on this and other forums the same village gangs mean that every step to stop cheat has to be taken at live events, and as i have already stated this rule also help speed up the game as 2 fly by nights try and get the other to show first so they can muck there rags this has been know to take awhile and card room manager called over to insure that cards are shown

[BlueWolf]

ok ok i just caught onto this late but i feel i have to have my say, i will admit i have just skimmed through the topic after i read the article as i was stunned

AS you state there is no common set of rules here in the UK or anywhere in the world for that matter. I do agree to a certain extent with what your saying about the rule, in higher value games where there should be a less likely chance off collusion it should not be used, but in lower stake games in certain places it is needed.

 know you have said the comment wasn't aimed at anyone in person (i doubt anyone thought you were just talking to them) but i have to say i found your comments amazing insulting. Its hard enough for us BRits to do anything pokerwise with everything being so much better everywhere else (apprently anyway, where exactly is the booming poker market these days??)

I know a few players look down on the people running poker tournements as it is as after all most of you have been playing longer than we have been born, so therefore your all obviously way better at running things than we are, fuck me i'm great at championship manger i might apply for the England job or as i'm quite nifty on TIger Woods 2006 i'll join the PGA tour next year.

Yes there are some rules people are unhappy about in some places, but its not like they are put there willy nilly just to piss you bigots off is it?


Its stupid insulting "i know it fucking all" comments like this that made me recently quit my position in the cardroom and go back to dealing (sorry fleecing suckers) in the pit.

So you didnt like the rule, so in your one game there you didnt understand, so have ytou played at every poker venue in the UK? Just remember without us ignorant imcompetant dickheads you'd have nowhere to play without sitting in your pants in front of a pc screen spitting in a bucket.






I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but we all work hard enough without some moron coming in and spamming his site address everywhere trying to gee up support whilst insulting the very job we do because we love the game so much. Yes tehre are a few bad TD's (as you all call em now) around butb theres some very bad poker players too do you cast them aside and poke them with the same stick?

Glad i quit

[The Baron]

Just to let people know we did a collusion poll. It was something like 1 in 8 players have colluded at some stage.

Not quite 0.1%.

[The Baron]

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=7537.0

14 out of 108 have colluded.

That's 12.96% of players or 1 in every 7.72 players.