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ACE2M
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QQ call or fold?
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April 16, 2006, 08:18:05 PM »
You have QQ on the button. First level of stt.
UTG big stack limps, all fold to you and you raise it 200 blinds = 20/40
utg moves all in (has played two hands pretty tricky and won big pots with KK twice)
call or fold?
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 16, 2006, 08:28:16 PM »
Fold.
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GlasgowBandit
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 16, 2006, 08:46:04 PM »
its an easy fold, but there is always that nagging feeling.
do you know anything else about the guy who has gone all in?
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 16, 2006, 08:52:55 PM »
all i know is what i have said.
Last three times in this situation i have folded and been shown AK, JJ, JJ.
bugging me slightly.
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 16, 2006, 09:58:10 PM »
I would tend to call.
I take the view that he is not looking for callers and often I find that in the early stages an all in is a small to medium pair or as you say A K . Obviously there are times when this approach doesn't work but there are only two hands better than yours so I would call. (answer might change depending on bankroll and cost of STT)
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April 16, 2006, 10:42:04 PM »
he's seen you raise 5 times the BB. he knows you have a hand. so he must have something big to do this. majority of the time you see AK flipped over if you call here but it's really down to how good you think you are and if you really need the chips go further.
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April 17, 2006, 01:49:31 AM »
Quote from: GlasgowBandit on April 16, 2006, 08:46:04 PM
its an easy fold
For me its an easy call....
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 17, 2006, 01:51:36 AM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on April 17, 2006, 01:49:31 AM
Quote from: GlasgowBandit on April 16, 2006, 08:46:04 PM
its an easy fold
For me its an easy call....
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 17, 2006, 01:52:46 AM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on April 17, 2006, 01:49:31 AM
Quote from: GlasgowBandit on April 16, 2006, 08:46:04 PM
its an easy fold
For me its an easy call....
I'd call here too.
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 17, 2006, 02:26:30 AM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on April 17, 2006, 01:49:31 AM
Quote from: GlasgowBandit on April 16, 2006, 08:46:04 PM
its an easy fold
For me its an easy call....
Every time in this situation you would call? beginning, end or middle of a tournament?
i'm a lot happier being first in here. Is this the flushy get your chips in and if you lose move on. Would you do it in a £1500 main event? Disregard the size of the tourney buy in, whats the correct move?
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 17, 2006, 02:33:41 AM »
Quote from: ACE2M on April 16, 2006, 08:18:05 PM
You have QQ on the button. First level of stt.
UTG big stack limps, all fold to you and you raise it 200 blinds = 20/40
utg moves all in (has played two hands pretty tricky and won big pots with KK twice)
call or fold?
given the hands played (ie your read), and given that it is a sng, I'd fold, and not sweat it too much. SNG's should make you less willing to go for early gambles, both because of the non-linear chip values (which are more pronounced in a sng then the early stages of a mutli) and because you can just go into pushbot mode later on, meaning you should be less inclined to take risk for your stack early on... and given your read here, its likely he has you praying to be a coinflip (not certain of course, but it makes it more likely) Absent this particular read, I think you should probably call, as its less likely you are praying to be a coinflip, so your percieved equity edge is likely to be much greater, great enough to warrant a call.
In a multi, I would call.. a) because of less chip-value considerations b) in a multi, this move is less likely to mean a biggier hand then QQ (on a proportional scale) c) you need mucho mucho chips to get anywhere, and you might as well start accumulating/trying to accumulate as soon as possible. This is mostly related to internet tournies though, I have no proper experience of high buy-in live tournies so I cant comment
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 17, 2006, 03:01:58 AM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on April 17, 2006, 01:49:31 AM
Quote from: GlasgowBandit on April 16, 2006, 08:46:04 PM
its an easy fold
For me its an easy call....
Agreed, but I can also find enough reasons to get away from it.
If I where in the situation though I don't think there is any doubting I would have put my chips in. But by nature I am a gambler. and QQ is a monster hand no doubting it. But there is also the cautious aspect that is saying leave it be there will be other opportunities to take down bigger pots. When you know you are in front.
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 17, 2006, 06:11:34 AM »
I call as i feel your description of him means he is a reasonable player who may well be exploiting his image and has a wider range than a usual utg limper checkraising allin. He knows he's just shown down kings twice and everyone is wary of him. I think you'll find smaller pairs here often enough this is a reasonable call.
I call, find him with AA, hit a Q and chuckle at my great read.
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Re: QQ call or fold?
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April 17, 2006, 08:50:00 AM »
I wouldn't put him on Aces or Kings here.
If he has got AA or KK I think the push is a real rookie move (do others agree with this?). He could be a rookie, in which case you're in trouble, but if he knows what he's doing it looks like he's trying to take it down pre flop with AK or TT/JJ...
But then why the limp raise? That surely that screams AA or KK... arrrgggg. I'm confused...
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April 17, 2006, 09:23:52 AM »
call immediately. i dont think you can ever fold qq kk aa or ak to a preflop allin versus 1 player in the first level of a stt with a starting stack.
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