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Title: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 13, 2009, 05:38:55 PM
I've got a HUGE fancy after having an initial study up.

Carmelita jeter to win the women 100m

She's best price 13/2 after being 9's with betfred yesterday, genrally 5-6/1.

She won the US trials when pulling up with a slight pulled muscle which is usually a good guide on the face of things but maybe not so much with the current Jamaican domination in both mens and womens sprinting but she also won very impressively at crystal palce a few weeks ago when clocking a PB against a really classy field, she's also already beaten the current olympic champion this season.(she's beaten the first two in the betting this season).

but neither of her two previous victories were what impressed me the most about her, she has a phenomenal style of running and looks like a flying machine, she gets going about the 50-60m mark then just takes off and it looked to me like at crystal palce she couldve gone faster, shes got the same sort of style as bolt when he gets into full flow and having just done a PB and being very young i think she's come into her prime at just the right time, i think the 13/2 still available is huge wouldnt put off anyone else getting on.

Dont really fancy much else at the moment(or not anything thats any sort of value) but asafa powell @ 2/1 to win without the big two is a bet i'd lay all day long, his bottle goes when people get in front of him, his action goes and he just loses it, IMPOSSIBLE with bolt and gay taking off in front of him he'll keep his rhythm and finish third, buying money imo.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 13, 2009, 06:14:00 PM
The men's 200m might be better than at the 96 Olympics.

That is all.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 14, 2009, 02:50:34 AM
Betfred have put their betting back up for the womens 100m, whilst stanjames are going 5/1 about jeter betfred are still happy to lead the way by going 9/1, this is HUGE!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 14, 2009, 09:12:40 AM
The men's 200m might be better than at the 96 Olympics.

That is all.

Bolt v Gay in both sprints will make it interesting to watch.

In terms of British athletes, we've got Ennis in the Heptathlon who's no.1 in the world, and Idowu in the triple jump.  His problem is that he's had problems at the big championships, but if he nails his first jump then he could win it.  Otherwise, we could pick up a few medals here and there but I can't see any other golds.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 14, 2009, 11:48:33 AM
The men's 200m might be better than at the 96 Olympics.

That is all.

Bolt v Gay in both sprints will make it interesting to watch.

In terms of British athletes, we've got Ennis in the Heptathlon who's no.1 in the world, and Idowu in the triple jump.  His problem is that he's had problems at the big championships, but if he nails his first jump then he could win it.  Otherwise, we could pick up a few medals here and there but I can't see any other golds.

Yes and no on the sprints imo. Bolt shouldn't have any trouble in the 100m.

But after 3 rounds of the 200m and 4 previous rounds in the 100m, I think the 200 final might go very close. Gay has run some sick times this year at 200m.

For once the best sprinters in the world are both better at 200m!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 14, 2009, 12:03:02 PM
Oh, I think Bolt will win both, but he'll have to make an effort in the 100m.

Not sure how fast the track is, but if the conditions are right we could see world-record runs.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 15, 2009, 07:13:54 PM
Anyone watch the womens 10,000 meters? lol @ the ethiopian bird cheering thinking she's won it when theres clearly another bird a meter in front!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 15, 2009, 08:06:40 PM
God bless the iplayer. Gonna watch tonight.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 15, 2009, 10:03:31 PM
lol @ how ridic good bolt is. chatting to his mate during the race as he qualified in the 100m, so sick


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 15, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
it's so sick watching asafa powell, he strolls to a 9:95, you know he can do 9:75 and yet he wont get a medal again


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 12:04:45 PM
Good to see a Brit who's matching the expectation, with Jessica Ennis in the heptathlon.  In the lead with two events to go - don't balls it up!

Of course, later on this evening it's Bolt v Gay in the 100m, with a support cast of Powell.  A world record in the final?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: sweet potata! on August 16, 2009, 12:07:49 PM
Good to see a Brit who's matching the expectation, with Jessica Ennis in the heptathlon.  In the lead with two events to go - don't balls it up!

Of course, later on this evening it's Bolt v Gay in the 100m, with a support cast of Powell.  A world record in the final?

Can you give a rough time to be looking out for this?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 12:23:13 PM
Good to see a Brit who's matching the expectation, with Jessica Ennis in the heptathlon.  In the lead with two events to go - don't balls it up!

Of course, later on this evening it's Bolt v Gay in the 100m, with a support cast of Powell.  A world record in the final?

Can you give a rough time to be looking out for this?

This evening.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 02:05:37 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8193138.stm

Paula wins the NY half-marathon, so looks in good shape for the world championship marathon next Sunday.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 02:24:47 PM
Jeter genraly 7/2 now after the first heat


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Karabiner on August 16, 2009, 02:38:13 PM
Jeter genraly 7/2 now after the first heat

I must say that she did look very good indeed


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 02:43:48 PM
Jeter genraly 7/2 now after the first heat

I must say that she did look very good indeed

She certainly did, and Michael Johnson was purring at her performance.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 05:08:07 PM
new WR for bolt? perfect conditions!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 16, 2009, 05:11:15 PM
what's the payout for setting a wr tonight? he knows he can pretty much do it at will so will probs wait for the biggest payday


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 05:29:35 PM
what's the payout for setting a wr tonight? he knows he can pretty much do it at will so will probs wait for the biggest payday

I havent got a clue, surely the prestige of doing it and cementing your brand for doing both the olympics and world's is more important, also i imagine the endorsements that would follow would more than compensate than if he did it at a golden meeting or something.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 16, 2009, 05:36:54 PM
what's the payout for setting a wr tonight? he knows he can pretty much do it at will so will probs wait for the biggest payday

I havent got a clue, surely the prestige of doing it and cementing your brand for doing both the olympics and world's is more important, also i imagine the endorsements that would follow would more than compensate than if he did it at a golden meeting or something.

not sure tbh. it's probs academic anyway, I'd imagine that the payout for breaking a wr at the wc is pretty massive anyway


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 06:14:35 PM
what's the payout for setting a wr tonight? he knows he can pretty much do it at will so will probs wait for the biggest payday

I havent got a clue, surely the prestige of doing it and cementing your brand for doing both the olympics and world's is more important, also i imagine the endorsements that would follow would more than compensate than if he did it at a golden meeting or something.

not sure tbh. it's probs academic anyway, I'd imagine that the payout for breaking a wr at the wc is pretty massive anyway

...and running against Gay in the final means he'll have to be on top of his game, so that'll push him along.  Wouldn't surprise me to see both of them run VERY quick times.

First semi now...


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
LOL, HE IS GONNA SMASH THE FCK OUT OF THE RECORD!!!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 06:20:43 PM
Bolt @ 9.89 at a jog...


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Karabiner on August 16, 2009, 06:21:31 PM
Bolt @ 9.89 at a jog...

Almost as fast as you posted that !


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: DaveShoelace on August 16, 2009, 06:22:14 PM
Why did the british guy get disqualified when he only false started once? I presume it was something to do with Bolts first false start?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 06:23:26 PM
Why did the british guy get disqualified when he only false started once? I presume it was something to do with Bolts first false start?

yep, bolt gets two chances, everyone else gets one.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 16, 2009, 06:24:10 PM
Why did the british guy get disqualified when he only false started once? I presume it was something to do with Bolts first false start?

rules innit


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 16, 2009, 06:25:06 PM
Why did the british guy get disqualified when he only false started once? I presume it was something to do with Bolts first false start?

the field is allowed one false. any subsequent ones are dqs. they may drop that rule next season and make all false starts dqs


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 06:26:46 PM
Jeter genraly 7/2 now after the first heat

I must say that she did look very good indeed

jeter 9/4 now after two rounds


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 16, 2009, 06:27:02 PM
truly amazing run yet again. I could say that every time I see the guy run, just so, so special


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Karabiner on August 16, 2009, 06:27:38 PM
Why did the british guy get disqualified when he only false started once? I presume it was something to do with Bolts first false start?

the field is allowed one false. any subsequent ones are dqs. they may drop that rule next season and make all false starts dqs

That's the rule in swimming which seems to work okay I think


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 06:29:11 PM
they trialled it in the European team championships and there wasn't one false start


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: WarBwastard on August 16, 2009, 06:30:15 PM
Why did the british guy get disqualified when he only false started once? I presume it was something to do with Bolts first false start?

the field is allowed one false. any subsequent ones are dqs. they may drop that rule next season and make all false starts dqs

This is surely the most absurd rule in all of sports.  Why was it introduced in the first place?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 16, 2009, 06:36:29 PM
Why did the british guy get disqualified when he only false started once? I presume it was something to do with Bolts first false start?

the field is allowed one false. any subsequent ones are dqs. they may drop that rule next season and make all false starts dqs

This is surely the most absurd rule in all of sports.  Why was it introduced in the first place?

It used to be per athlete and finals took longer than the marathon by the time they all took a shot at jumping the gun.

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 06:37:08 PM
6/5 to break the record, 11/10 not to, fill your boots..............................

http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/athletics/world-championship-athletics/mens-100m/new-world-record


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 06:39:40 PM
6/5 to break the record, 11/10 not to, fill your boots..............................

http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/athletics/world-championship-athletics/mens-100m/new-world-record


all gone :(


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 06:45:59 PM
Why did the british guy get disqualified when he only false started once? I presume it was something to do with Bolts first false start?

the field is allowed one false. any subsequent ones are dqs. they may drop that rule next season and make all false starts dqs

This is surely the most absurd rule in all of sports.  Why was it introduced in the first place?

Why do they bother giving a runner a yellow card?  It's utterly meaningless, as everyone's on a yellow after the first.  A ridiculous rule, and it should either be an individual yellow card, or straight reds for any false starters (which is what they'll have next season).


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Pelham Boy on August 16, 2009, 08:35:57 PM
Well done Jessica. Fantastic stuff.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 16, 2009, 08:36:43 PM
excellent performance. Good on her


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 08:36:54 PM
Well done Jessica. Fantastic stuff.

+1

great result


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Tonji on August 16, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
Well done Jessica. Fantastic stuff.

+1

great result

lovely, such joy on her face


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 08:42:11 PM
Well done Jessica. Fantastic stuff.

+1

great result

lovely, such joy on her face

That's how to win.

;tightend;


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 08:43:31 PM
Hills go 1/6 that powell will finish in the top 3

 rotflmfao


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 08:44:43 PM
chambers not to break 10 seconds @ 5/6 is just buying money, get on!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 16, 2009, 08:46:03 PM
love the way she went for that 800m 100% when she didn't need to at all

now for bolt to do the business


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 16, 2009, 08:50:15 PM
wtf


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 08:50:17 PM
9.58!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 16, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
wwwwwwwwttttttttttttfffffffffffff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 08:50:31 PM
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Tonji on August 16, 2009, 08:50:41 PM
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: DaveShoelace on August 16, 2009, 08:51:03 PM
lol at the fat cameramen trying to run alongside him


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Pelham Boy on August 16, 2009, 08:51:16 PM
OMFG.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 08:52:05 PM
lol @ gay runs 9:71 and still gets slaughtered!!!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 16, 2009, 08:52:27 PM
lol absurd. What a star.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 16, 2009, 08:53:48 PM
that still wasn't flat out, he was looking around again. if he ever focuses properly on a race I reckon he could be pretty good


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: maldini32 on August 16, 2009, 08:54:10 PM
i was looking at 4/6 for new wr at thought it was too skinny! Guys not real


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Karabiner on August 16, 2009, 08:54:40 PM
And they say that it's not a very fast track


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 16, 2009, 08:56:08 PM
Lose much on Powell finishing 3rd bolt? I couldn't see him not finishing 3rd. Chambers ran 10secs flat, you best hope it doesn't get rounded down.

gogogo Jeter - ridic value!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: cia260895 on August 16, 2009, 08:56:15 PM
sub 9?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 16, 2009, 08:57:19 PM
Where do I change the settings so that I don't get the warnings that a new reply has been posted?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 16, 2009, 08:59:44 PM
Where do I change the settings so that I don't get the warnings that a new reply has been posted?

Profile - notifications & email (or similar)

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 16, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
sub 9?

no


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 16, 2009, 09:00:40 PM
Bolt thinks 9.4 is the limit apparently


Got to say well done to Chambers too. Don't like the fella, or his history, but 10 seconds dead and sixth is a fine performance


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 16, 2009, 09:02:13 PM
Bolt thinks 9.4 is the limit apparently


Got to say well done to Chambers too. Don't like the fella, or his history, but 10 seconds dead and sixth is a fine performance

This.

I think he needs the the rivalry of a runner like Gay or even Powell to drive him to run his fastest. 

Nearly all 8 runners under 10 seconds.  Amazing.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 16, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Unbelievable athlete! Denise Lewis mentioning the 400m as a possibility!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: boldie on August 16, 2009, 09:10:57 PM
Bolt is simply the sickest man ever!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 16, 2009, 09:14:04 PM
Lose much on Powell finishing 3rd bolt? I couldn't see him not finishing 3rd. Chambers ran 10secs flat, you best hope it doesn't get rounded down.

gogogo Jeter - ridic value!

got to say fair play to powell, he deserves his third, held it toghther well, i think what done him a favour was that they got so far strung out for a 100m race that he sort of got to do his own thing, he had a lot of space around him, also he seemed a lot more relaxed before the race.

lol @ the chambers time, phew! :D (a scoops a scoop though)


gogogogogogogogogogogogo jeter


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Alverton on August 16, 2009, 09:15:24 PM
Bolt is simply the sickest man ever!

Agreed.  Unreal, can easily go faster.

And Congrats to Jessica.  Dominated from start to finish, shame her celebrations got cut off.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Graham C on August 16, 2009, 09:26:33 PM
9.58 - just amazing


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Josedinho on August 16, 2009, 09:29:19 PM
If he takes the 400m WR it will be too much.
It was so good. Let's go Jeter tomorrow.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: vegaslover on August 16, 2009, 09:29:45 PM
Bolt is simply the sickest man ever!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Maxriddles on August 16, 2009, 11:24:35 PM
Bolt is simply the sickest man ever!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: ChipRich on August 16, 2009, 11:47:22 PM
Awesome Usain.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 17, 2009, 12:52:59 AM
I actually feel privileged to have seen that.

The 200 could be even more outrageous.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 17, 2009, 02:20:30 AM
I actually feel privileged to have seen that.

The 200 could be even more outrageous.

yeah, you kinda forget that we've still got to see his main event


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 17, 2009, 02:45:17 AM
another record in the 200m may be a bridge too far, he'll go very very close, i think it Will be a couple of hundreths either way, would so love to see him do it though


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Graham C on August 17, 2009, 09:52:46 AM
When is the 200m, tonight?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 17, 2009, 10:09:32 AM
When is the 200m, tonight?

Heats Tuesday, final Thursday.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 10:30:42 AM
as Andrew said:

 http://berlin.iaaf.org/results/racedate=08-20-2009/bydate.html


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Graham C on August 17, 2009, 10:48:53 AM
dankeshane


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 10:53:24 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8204505.stm

If anyone missed it, or even if you didn't as it's worth watching again and won't take up too much of your time :D


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 10:56:15 AM
Tonight's highlight for me is the 10,000m and Kenenisa Bekele.  At his best, he can finish 100m+ ahead of the rest of the field and when he's in full flow he's amazing to watch.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: boldie on August 17, 2009, 11:04:08 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8204505.stm

If anyone missed it, or even if you didn't as it's worth watching again and won't take up too much of your time :D

Did you hear about his 150 meters in Birmingham (I thought it was Birmingham)..he did a "flying 100M" in 8.7 seconds! WTF???


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 17, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
Bolt would make a pretty decent wide reciever imo, pitty about the salary cap.

How many hundreds of millions would the Dallas Cowboys pay for a bit of that?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 17, 2009, 11:16:08 AM
Bolt would make a pretty decent wide reciever imo, pitty about the salary cap.

How many hundreds of millions would the Dallas Cowboys pay for a bit of that?

I was thinking this, though the last sprinter to successfully tansfer across to the NFL was Willie Gault in the late 1980s. Before him Bullet Bob Hayes in the 1960s reached the NFL Hall of Fame
 
A few drawbacks of the spinters tend to be...a lot cannot catch! they get injured very easily..bodies unused to contact sport I suppose.

recently a few have tried but they need to overcome a lack of basic football knowledge to be abel to use their speed in practice


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: cia260895 on August 17, 2009, 01:36:09 PM
watch out bolt

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6038316/World-Athletics-shot-putter-Savannah-Sanitoa-overshadows-Usain-Bolts-sprint-exploits.html   (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6038316/World-Athletics-shot-putter-Savannah-Sanitoa-overshadows-Usain-Bolts-sprint-exploits.html)


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Josedinho on August 17, 2009, 06:40:16 PM
Pretty impressive semi. Excited for the final


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Colchester Kev on August 17, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
Pretty impressive semi. Excited for the final

LOL ... Must resist the obvious double entendre gag.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 17, 2009, 07:48:09 PM
OMG Isinbayeva finishes last!!!!!! ;gobsmacked;

didnt clear a height!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 07:54:59 PM
Bekele up next.  This fella's special.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: 12barblues on August 17, 2009, 08:26:01 PM
He's away.  Awesome stuff.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
;tightend;

So impressive.  Hope he does the 5,000m as well.  He's not quite as dominant in that, but on his day he's unbeatable.

All the top 8 finishers ran season's bests!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 08:50:32 PM
Fraser with an amazing start in the 100m gives her the gold and the 3rd fastest time in history.  Very impressive.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 17, 2009, 08:51:30 PM
Fraser with an amazing start in the 100m gives her the gold and the 3rd fastest time in history.  Very impressive.

2nd place finished the race in the wrong lane although she didn't impede anyone.

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 08:51:38 PM
Anyone fancy Jamaica to win the golds in the men's and women's 4x100m?

Odds on?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 17, 2009, 08:58:55 PM
 :(

I dont think she really got a chance to run her race, the winner was away and gone, really stepped up the last two races fair play to her, difficult to do your thing when 10 meters up the birds already taken two meters out of the field, freerolled in the end but wouldve been nice, sorry lads if you were on, hopefully laid back.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 17, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
:(

I dont think she really got a chance to run her race, the winner was away and gone, really stepped up the last two races fair play to her, difficult to do your thing when 10 meters up the birds already taken two meters out of the field, freerolled in the end but wouldve been nice, sorry lads if you were on, hopefully laid back.

Was a good shout bolt, wp. Less than 2/1 before the off.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 17, 2009, 09:38:52 PM
on various sporting journo twitters

"Big news in Berlin - German radio report rumour that a finalist in men's 100m failed dope test before the champs. IAAF say no confirmation"


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 17, 2009, 09:41:14 PM
on various sporting journo twitters

"Big news in Berlin - German radio report rumour that a finalist in men's 100m failed dope test before the champs. IAAF say no confirmation"

lol if its chambers again


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 17, 2009, 09:42:41 PM
on various sporting journo twitters

"Big news in Berlin - German radio report rumour that a finalist in men's 100m failed dope test before the champs. IAAF say no confirmation"

Duh - we knew that already.

(http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/dwain-chambers-415x390.jpg)

Unless they meant just before the champs, of course.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 17, 2009, 11:35:50 PM
Tyson Gay out of the 200m - gutted!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 17, 2009, 11:38:48 PM
Fraser with an amazing start in the 100m gives her the gold and the fastest legal time in history.  Very impressive.
FYP


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 18, 2009, 12:07:57 AM
Fraser with an amazing start in the 100m gives her the gold and the fastest legal time in history.  Very impressive.
FYP

flo jo was legal, the wind thing only counts if it's a couple of one hundreths imo, when you smash the record by 1/2 a second then the wind cant inpact that much plus i dont think she was ever convicted of drugs?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 18, 2009, 12:13:40 AM
Fraser with an amazing start in the 100m gives her the gold and the fastest legal time in history.  Very impressive.
FYP

flo jo was legal, the wind thing only counts if it's a couple of one hundreths imo, when you smash the record by 1/2 a second then the wind cant inpact that much plus i dont think she was ever convicted of drugs?

No Fkin way legal, just never got caught. The fact she died very young would be a strong hint as well.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 18, 2009, 12:15:13 AM
I wouldn't be putting my house on any record being truly legal in athletics in the last 30 years to be frankly honest.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 18, 2009, 12:15:52 AM
Fraser with an amazing start in the 100m gives her the gold and the fastest legal time in history.  Very impressive.
FYP

flo jo was legal, the wind thing only counts if it's a couple of one hundreths imo, when you smash the record by 1/2 a second then the wind cant inpact that much plus i dont think she was ever convicted of drugs?

No Fkin way legal, just never got caught. The fact she died very young would be a strong hint as well.

no it isnt she had a fit and suffocated in bed, it was a condition she was born with.

just never got caught

you mustve seen her do it then


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 18, 2009, 12:16:28 AM
I wouldn't be putting my house on any record being truly legal in athletics in the last 30 years to be frankly honest.


what about bolt?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 18, 2009, 12:17:47 AM
bs bolt, you make it up as you go along.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 18, 2009, 12:19:40 AM
I wouldn't be putting my house on any record being truly legal in athletics in the last 30 years to be frankly honest.


what about bolt?

If i had to go either way on a evens bet, I would say he is legal but i wouldn't take 1/10 on.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 18, 2009, 12:20:32 AM
bs bolt, you make it up as you go along.

go check it out, its a fact, that was the coroners verdict


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 18, 2009, 12:21:36 AM
I have they can't say for sure


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 18, 2009, 12:23:26 AM
I have they can't say for sure

yeah but theyre professional doctors,, wtf do we know to be saying different when it comes to her reputation, you can just go by what the experts say and even if it's not conclusive it's a lot better a  "guess" than you or i can come up with so i'll just go with what they said


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 18, 2009, 12:24:30 AM
I have they can't say for sure

yeah but theyre professional doctors,, wtf do we know to be saying different when it comes to her reputation, you can just go by what the experts say and even if it's not conclusive it's a lot better a  "guess" than you or i can come up with so i'll just go with what they said

similar circumstances to a number of eastern block athletes in the 70/80's


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 08:54:50 AM
I wouldn't be putting my house on any record being truly legal in athletics in the last 30 years to be frankly honest.

Really?

None of Paula's records?  What about Bekele, Gebrselassie, Aouita, El Guerrouj, Ovett, Cram, Coe?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 18, 2009, 09:08:14 AM
If he did stick his house on Ratcliff, can he have your house if he's wrong?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 09:12:53 AM
If he did stick his house on Ratcliff, can he have your house if he's wrong?

If I had a house, he'd be welcome to it if I was wrong.  There isn't a cleaner athlete (awaits the jokes).


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 09:13:36 AM
Going back to the 10K.  Bekele ran the 10,000m in a little over 26 minutes.  That works out at 16 seconds on average for each of the one hundred 100m he runs during the race.  That's incredible.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 18, 2009, 09:13:59 AM
Flo-Jo improved her 100m time by half a second in a year, then retired just before the IAAF introduced mandatory drug-testing, that was why she never failed a test.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 18, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
Going back to the 10K.  Bekele ran the 10,000m in a little over 26 minutes.  That works out at 16 seconds on average for each of the one hundred 100m he runs during the race.  That's incredible.

Also, he ran the second 5k of his 10k quicker than any British runner has run 5k on its own.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
I remember reading that he often clocks sub-12 seconds 100m during his last laps. That's also pretty impressive. 


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: boldie on August 18, 2009, 09:30:56 AM
I remember reading that he often clocks sub-12 seconds 100m during his last laps. That's also pretty impressive. 

I reckon it just shows he's a slacker over the first few laps.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longines on August 18, 2009, 09:36:21 AM
Athletics stats p0rn: http://www.apulanta.fi/matti/yu/


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 18, 2009, 09:50:40 AM
Athletics stats p0rn: http://www.apulanta.fi/matti/yu/

Incredible to see that of the women's track events in the Moscow Olympics, the only ones which have been broken in 20 years were by the dodgy Chinese athlete Wang Junxia.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 18, 2009, 09:55:10 AM
Athletics stats p0rn: http://www.apulanta.fi/matti/yu/

good site

Fascinating that of the 10 oldest world records in men's track and field, 8 out of 10 of them are field events; while of the 10 records that have been most recently broken, 9.5 out of 10 of them are track events. (The decathlon being the 0.5)


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 18, 2009, 09:56:23 AM
A few of the fields events also go back quite a long way to a time when they could be dodgy, especially as many of them are by eastern block athletes.

edit- whoops posted at same time as you tank


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longines on August 18, 2009, 10:20:04 AM
In the last 50 years there has only been 5 holders of the mens 400m world record.

The 12 fastest 400m runners ever are all from the USA.

Wonder what Bolt could do...


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 10:59:58 AM
Athletics stats p0rn: http://www.apulanta.fi/matti/yu/

Incredible to see that of the women's track events in the Moscow Olympics, the only ones which have been broken in 20 years were by the dodgy Chinese athlete Wang Junxia.

But since then times have been run that were faster than the previous record - so they would have been world records if the cheat's Chinese runner's time was discounted.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 18, 2009, 11:03:12 AM
Does anyone rate Denise Lewis as a pundit?

I think she's shit.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 11:04:33 AM
Does anyone rate Denise Lewis as a pundit?

I think she's shit.

She's.... limited.

Whereas Johnson is class.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 18, 2009, 11:05:18 AM
Does anyone rate Denise Lewis

Yes.

as a pundit?

No, but it's going to be difficult being a good pundit on your first go whilst sat next to Michael Johnson.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 18, 2009, 11:05:56 AM
Denise is very stupid. Quite watchable though

Johnson is the nuts

Colin Jackson is the anti-nuts, for me.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 11:07:39 AM
What do people think to Cram as a commentator?  I think he's improved a hell of a lot and think he does a good job now.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 18, 2009, 11:08:54 AM
Like him. Brendan Foster on the other hand..........


Superb commentator is Mike Costello on 5 live. Destined for the top Mr Costello is


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TheChipPrince on August 18, 2009, 11:11:39 AM
Denise is very stupid. Quite watchable though

Johnson is the nuts

Colin Jackson is the anti-nuts, for me.

Welshist.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 18, 2009, 11:12:14 AM
Denise is very stupid. Quite watchable though

Johnson is the nuts

Colin Jackson is the anti-nuts, for me.

Welshist.


Banal platitudist


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TheChipPrince on August 18, 2009, 11:16:53 AM
Denise is very stupid. Quite watchable though

Johnson is the nuts

Colin Jackson is the anti-nuts, for me.

Welshist.


Banal platitudist

Its a touchy subject for me, I once got to feel the boobs of me mates sister because she said I had eyes like Colin Jackson, I feel obliged to defend him.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 18, 2009, 11:29:52 AM

Johnson is the nuts


lewis might come good. she clearly has the passion for the sport and is working/learning with the best


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Karabiner on August 18, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
Sorry if i've missed a previous announcement, buy why is Tyson Gay not running in the 200m heats ?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 11:39:21 AM
Sorry if i've missed a previous announcement, buy why is Tyson Gay not running in the 200m heats ?

Is it his groin?  He's been nursing an injury during the 100m rounds (didn't stop him being the second fastest 100m ever).


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 18, 2009, 11:40:44 AM
Yep it's the niggling groin injury so after consulting doctors he ruled himself out.

Specualtion is that there are psychological reasons why he won't be at his best and so it dropping out. Fair enough I think, must be pretty gutted having run the third fastest time in history in the 100m and it not being enough.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 18, 2009, 11:42:48 AM
"Rather than risk further injury, I've decided that I will not compete in tomorrow's (Tuesday) first round of the 200m," Gay said.

"I would like to be a part of Team USA's 4x100m and believe this decision will give me the best chance to be ready for the relay. I want to help our relay as best I can."


Lifted from sportinglife.com

http://www.sportinglife.com/athletics/worldchampionships2009/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=others/09/08/18/manual_083815.html


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 11:58:13 AM
Yeah - they want to make sure they secure that silver medal in the 4x100m.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 18, 2009, 12:02:04 PM
I kinda hope Jamaica get pumped in the relay.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 18, 2009, 12:02:32 PM
Yeah - they want to make sure they secure that silver medal in the 4x100m.

there's a lot of truth under that sarcasm. can you imagine the embarrassment if they took bronze in an event they've always considered as theirs?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 12:04:46 PM
Yeah - they want to make sure they secure that silver medal in the 4x100m.

there's a lot of truth under that sarcasm. can you imagine the embarrassment if they took bronze in an event they've always considered as theirs?

Last time they ran it, they didn't get any medals - as they did a 'GB'.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 18, 2009, 12:06:22 PM
Yeah - they want to make sure they secure that silver medal in the 4x100m.

there's a lot of truth under that sarcasm. can you imagine the embarrassment if they took bronze in an event they've always considered as theirs?

Last time they ran it, they didn't get any medals - as they did a 'GB'.

you'd think they'd practice baton changes. maybe they should just do it like at school where you just have to touch hands with the next runner


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 12:08:21 PM
I think it's because a lot of them actually hate each other.  The 100m is such an individual event, with huge egos and self-belief.  Getting them to put this aside and train together is probably a lot to ask with some of them.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 18, 2009, 12:12:09 PM
I think it's because a lot of them actually hate each other.  The 100m is such an individual event, with huge egos and self-belief.  Getting them to put this aside and train together is probably a lot to ask with some of them.

I think there's a lot of 'if I'm not running the anchor leg I'm not really bothered'


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 18, 2009, 12:12:33 PM
to be fair to the Americans, no one can cock up a baton handover like the Brits

We rarely get the thing round all four legs, and look like we never practice


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 18, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/m_100_f_1.jpg)

From the IAAF site (http://berlin.iaaf.org/results/racedate=08-16-2009/sex=M/discCode=100/combCode=hash/roundCode=f/results.html#detM_100_hash_f) site.

Amazing gap between Bolt and Gay (considering he's the 2nd quickest 100m ever after that race).  Then again, with feet like that Bolt does have an unfair advantage.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 18, 2009, 01:23:12 PM
he's nicked hopkin's shoes


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 18, 2009, 03:19:39 PM
I wouldn't be putting my house on any record being truly legal in athletics in the last 30 years to be frankly honest.

Really?

None of Paula's records?  What about Bekele, Gebrselassie, Aouita, El Guerrouj, Ovett, Cram, Coe?

Yeah i am not 100% sure about any of them, given the amount of people found out at a later date and the pure temptation of taking a certain drug is bound to increase your chances of fame and attaining your life goals.

I am pretty sure it goes in sports where we don't even consider drugs as a big problem, tennis for example.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 18, 2009, 03:30:22 PM
I think that it's pretty easy to identify certain athletes as dodgy and, equally, others are being legitimate because there is some other, obvious, reason for their great performances.

It's only relatively recently that many East African athletes (who are born with an advantage in long-distance running) were exposed to Western standards of nutrition and training, which has enabled them to fulfill their true potential. Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt have a totally different build and much more efficient running style than other runners.

Other records being broken are only slightly better than those before, which you will get as nutrition and training methods get better.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Wardonkey on August 18, 2009, 03:48:00 PM
I think that it's pretty easy to identify certain athletes as dodgy and, equally, others are being legitimate because there is some other, obvious, reason for their great performances.

It's only relatively recently that many East African athletes (who are born with an advantage in long-distance running) were exposed to Western standards of nutrition and training, which has enabled them to fulfill their true potential. Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt have a totally different build and much more efficient running style than other runners.

Other records being broken are only slightly better than those before, which you will get as nutrition and training methods get better.

Rare logic failure MrT.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 18, 2009, 06:03:12 PM
huuuuuge from phillips there


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 18, 2009, 06:03:49 PM
huuuuuge from phillips there

Yeah going to take some beating that.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 18, 2009, 06:35:38 PM
I wouldn't be putting my house on any record being truly legal in athletics in the last 30 years to be frankly honest.

there is abs no way that jonathan edwards was not 100% clean through his career


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 18, 2009, 06:51:51 PM
I wouldn't be putting my house on any record being truly legal in athletics in the last 30 years to be frankly honest.

there is abs no way that jonathan edwards was not 100% clean through his career

You don't know what they put in the Communion wine.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Colchester Kev on August 18, 2009, 06:52:51 PM
LOL you just know Edwards was on the crack pipe the night before meetings.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 18, 2009, 07:02:11 PM
wp phillips. long, long overdue


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 18, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
Fraser with an amazing start in the 100m gives her the gold and the fastest legal time in history.  Very impressive.
FYP

flo jo was legal, the wind thing only counts if it's a couple of one hundreths imo, when you smash the record by 1/2 a second then the wind cant inpact that much plus i dont think she was ever convicted of drugs?

Lol fuck off Bolt.

You crack me up.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 18, 2009, 07:15:30 PM
Flo-Jo improved her 100m time by half a second in a year, then retired just before the IAAF introduced mandatory drug-testing, that was why she never failed a test.

This.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 18, 2009, 07:21:54 PM
wp phillips. long, long overdue

Agreed - he has the potential to win everything. Jumping 18m should be his goal next year.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 19, 2009, 02:50:02 AM
I think that it's pretty easy to identify certain athletes as dodgy and, equally, others are being legitimate because there is some other, obvious, reason for their great performances.

It's only relatively recently that many East African athletes (who are born with an advantage in long-distance running) were exposed to Western standards of nutrition and training, which has enabled them to fulfill their true potential. Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt have a totally different build and much more efficient running style than other runners.

Other records being broken are only slightly better than those before, which you will get as nutrition and training methods get better.

Rare logic failure MrT.

laborate?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 02:57:59 AM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 03:19:46 AM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Wardonkey on August 19, 2009, 06:25:55 AM
I think that it's pretty easy to identify certain athletes as dodgy and, equally, others are being legitimate because there is some other, obvious, reason for their great performances.

It's only relatively recently that many East African athletes (who are born with an advantage in long-distance running) were exposed to Western standards of nutrition and training, which has enabled them to fulfill their true potential. Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt have a totally different build and much more efficient running style than other runners.

Other records being broken are only slightly better than those before, which you will get as nutrition and training methods get better.

Rare logic failure MrT.

laborate?

When someone with a slightly different build and technique from the established norm for a successful sprinter starts tearing chunks off world records then it makes me more suspicious not less.

It's the very simplest of sports, if the way Bolt or Johnson runs is the fastest way there would many others running like they do.

I used to love the sport, but I can't watch it now. The cynic in me taints the experience of watching great performances, the greater the performance the more cynical I become.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 08:43:19 AM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 08:46:13 AM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

dunno that might have been a bit unfair but he never looks anyone in the eye when he talks to them and i remember him getting caught up in his own hype a couple of years ago banging on about how he would smash edwards record, edwards just lol'd


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: boldie on August 19, 2009, 08:49:25 AM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

Red hair is a clue, no?



Seriously..a few years ago he was a bit of a cocky twat, he's allright these days though..seems to have grown up a bit.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 09:12:41 AM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

dunno that might have been a bit unfair but he never looks anyone in the eye when he talks to them and i remember him getting caught up in his own hype a couple of years ago banging on about how he would smash edwards record, edwards just lol'd

Edwards has always said that Idowu is capable of beating his world record, he just needs to bring it all together.

He's not the most intelligent bloke in the world, and is obviously uncomfortable being interviewed.  Just like lots of footballers.  Just because they excel at their sport, doesn't mean they have to like the camera or be comfortable with the media attention.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 09:13:21 AM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

Red hair is a clue, no?

Jealousy imo.

Quote
Seriously..a few years ago he was a bit of a cocky twat, he's allright these days though..seems to have grown up a bit.

I prefer him to Edwards.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 19, 2009, 09:45:45 AM
I think that it's pretty easy to identify certain athletes as dodgy and, equally, others are being legitimate because there is some other, obvious, reason for their great performances.

It's only relatively recently that many East African athletes (who are born with an advantage in long-distance running) were exposed to Western standards of nutrition and training, which has enabled them to fulfill their true potential. Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt have a totally different build and much more efficient running style than other runners.

Other records being broken are only slightly better than those before, which you will get as nutrition and training methods get better.

Rare logic failure MrT.

laborate?

When someone with a slightly different build and technique from the established norm for a successful sprinter starts tearing chunks off world records then it makes me more suspicious not less.

It's the very simplest of sports, if the way Bolt or Johnson runs is the fastest way there would many others running like they do.

I used to love the sport, but I can't watch it now. The cynic in me taints the experience of watching great performances, the greater the performance the more cynical I become.

No, my logic is fine. Bolt won the 100m in 41 strides. Gay did it in 44. That is a tremendous advantage right there and helps explain how Bolt ran so quickly. There was a groupthink regarding athletics that guys who were 6'5" wouldn't be good sprinters so would be guided towards other events at an early age (or even out of athletics altogether to another sport with more money in it).

Other people can't just 'run like Bolt and Johnson do'. You can't run like Bolt if you're not 6'5". You can't run like Johnson if the ratio of your hip-to-knee/knee-to-ankle distance is significantly different from Johnson's, as it is that which gave him a more efficient running style.

'They're doing something different so must be on drugs' doesn't hold water.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: david3103 on August 19, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

dunno that might have been a bit unfair but he never looks anyone in the eye when he talks to them and i remember him getting caught up in his own hype a couple of years ago banging on about how he would smash edwards record, edwards just lol'd

Edwards has always said that Idowu is capable of beating his world record, he just needs to bring it all together.

He's not the most intelligent bloke in the world, and is obviously uncomfortable being interviewed.  Just like lots of footballers.  Just because they excel at their sport, doesn't mean they have to like the camera or be comfortable with the media attention.

He was interviewed this morning on R4 and came across really well.

As for the 18m potential, if they'd measured the winning jump from his take-off point he'd have had that with his winning jump.

It's hard for the field sports competitors to stand out in a world where faster>longer/higher, the red hair certainly helps with that, as does the Gold Medal now.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Wardonkey on August 19, 2009, 11:06:12 AM

'They're doing something different so must be on drugs' doesn't hold water.


I agree, but the argument that they're doing something different therefore that it's less likely that they're on drugs doesn't hold water either.

That Johnson and Bolt found very different techniques to best use different physiques to run faster than their rivals seems reasonable. It doesn't make it any less reasonable to be suspicious of such incredible performances.

It's the performances themselves which raise suspicion, which is the greatest shame.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 19, 2009, 11:12:10 AM

'They're doing something different so must be on drugs' doesn't hold water.


I agree, but the argument that they're doing something different therefore that it's less likely that they're on drugs doesn't hold water either.

That Johnson and Bolt found very different techniques to best use different physiques to run faster than their rivals seems reasonable. It doesn't make it any less reasonable to be suspicious of such incredible performances.

It's the performances themselves which raise suspicion, which is the greatest shame.

I don't think so - do you honestly believe that you think there is the same likelihood of Usain Bolt being on drugs than you thought there was of Ben 'looks like a condom full of walnuts and eyes out on stalks' Johnson being on drugs?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Wardonkey on August 19, 2009, 01:07:01 PM

'They're doing something different so must be on drugs' doesn't hold water.


I agree, but the argument that they're doing something different therefore that it's less likely that they're on drugs doesn't hold water either.

That Johnson and Bolt found very different techniques to best use different physiques to run faster than their rivals seems reasonable. It doesn't make it any less reasonable to be suspicious of such incredible performances.

It's the performances themselves which raise suspicion, which is the greatest shame.

I don't think so - do you honestly believe that you think there is the same likelihood of Usain Bolt being on drugs than you thought there was of Ben 'looks like a condom full of walnuts and eyes out on stalks' Johnson being on drugs?

I've not said that I think Bolt is on drugs, just that it is impossible to be sure that he is not. I sincerely hope that he is not. I'm saying that the sport is rendered meaningless to me now because so many athletes have been proven to be cheats after winning gold medals and breaking records. It's impossible to tell how many, or which, athletes have got away with it.

I was 15 when I watched Ben Johnson's performance in 1988, I did not suspect a thing, I was in awe. I felt betrayed and angry when the news of his positive test broke. I'm not so naive nowadays, I can't watch athletics without a nagging doubt.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: ACE2M on August 19, 2009, 03:02:09 PM
Caster Semenya 18 year old 800 metre runner has had a drug test and it has revealed she is a man but maybe allowed to run.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 19, 2009, 04:10:10 PM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

Red hair is a clue, no?

Jealousy imo.

Quote
Seriously..a few years ago he was a bit of a cocky twat, he's allright these days though..seems to have grown up a bit.

I prefer him to Edwards.

[  ] shocked  :o


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 04:11:32 PM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

Red hair is a clue, no?

Jealousy imo.

Quote
Seriously..a few years ago he was a bit of a cocky twat, he's allright these days though..seems to have grown up a bit.

I prefer him to Edwards.

[  ] shocked  :o

LOL - not because of that. 


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 04:11:49 PM
Caster Semenya 18 year old 800 metre runner has had a drug test and it has revealed she is a man but maybe allowed to run.

rotflmfao


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 05:32:50 PM
Are BlueSQ giving odds on the outcome of her gender test?

Quote from: beeebeeeceeee
Some incredible news breaking in Berlin - The IAAF has asked the South African athletics federation to conduct a gender verification test on 18-year-old 800m favourite Caster Semenya, due to run at 2035 BST, amid concerns she does not meet the requirements to compete as a woman. "It's a difficult scenario," reflects BBC commentator Steve Cram on BBC Two. "The IAAF cannot do anything unless one of the other competing nations lodges a protest."


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 19, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Wearing pink socks = quite clearly a girl.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-0613853E000005DC-238_233x659.jpg)


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 19, 2009, 06:15:39 PM
Wtf is John Inverdale wearing?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Karabiner on August 19, 2009, 06:21:30 PM
Wearing pink socks = quite clearly a girl.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-0613853E000005DC-238_233x659.jpg)

Is there a hidden agender here ?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 19, 2009, 06:26:34 PM
Wtf is John Inverdale wearing?

I was wondering if he'd made it himself


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Ismene on August 19, 2009, 06:37:38 PM
Have I missed Bolt/Gay in the 200m?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 06:38:47 PM
Wtf is John Inverdale wearing?

I was wondering if he had gender issues

FYP


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 06:44:14 PM
Have I missed Bolt/Gay in the 200m?

final is later, dont think gay lined up though


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 06:46:35 PM
Thought Gay had withdrawn.

Bolt jogged round in his semi in 20.08.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Ismene on August 19, 2009, 06:49:25 PM
Thought Gay had withdrawn.

Bolt jogged round in his semi in 20.08.

Yeah I just read Gay withdrawal with groin injury.

Is the final tonight or tomorrow?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 06:50:59 PM
Tomorrow:

http://berlin.iaaf.org/results/racedate=08-20-2009/bydate.html


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 06:51:51 PM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

dunno that might have been a bit unfair but he never looks anyone in the eye when he talks to them and i remember him getting caught up in his own hype a couple of years ago banging on about how he would smash edwards record, edwards just lol'd

Edwards has always said that Idowu is capable of beating his world record, he just needs to bring it all together.

He's not the most intelligent bloke in the world, and is obviously uncomfortable being interviewed.  Just like lots of footballers.  Just because they excel at their sport, doesn't mean they have to like the camera or be comfortable with the media attention.

edwards had to say that, he was put on the spot, he has to support the brittish guys, the bbc wouldnt have like it if he'd said: "will he ever break my record?, omg no, did you see how far i jumped, like well over 18 meters, he'll never beat that"!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 06:53:39 PM
Idowu finally brought it all together when it counted.  He looked properly stunned by the fact he'd won.  Hopefully, this will instill some further belief and he'll go on to jump 18m and still be the no.1 for 2012.

I hope not he's a prick

Really?  What's he done to be branded such?

dunno that might have been a bit unfair but he never looks anyone in the eye when he talks to them and i remember him getting caught up in his own hype a couple of years ago banging on about how he would smash edwards record, edwards just lol'd

Edwards has always said that Idowu is capable of beating his world record, he just needs to bring it all together.

He's not the most intelligent bloke in the world, and is obviously uncomfortable being interviewed.  Just like lots of footballers.  Just because they excel at their sport, doesn't mean they have to like the camera or be comfortable with the media attention.

edwards had to say that, he was put on the spot, he has to support the brittish guys, the bbc wouldnt have like it if he'd said: "will he ever break my record?, omg no, did you see how far i jumped, like well over 18 meters, he'll never beat that"!!

Not now he's working for the BBC, he said it years ago.  He always said that physically, Idowu was more gifted than him and if he could nail his technique and get everything right on the night, he'd be more than capable of breaking his own record. 


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 19, 2009, 07:04:45 PM
If you're a dude and wanting to run as a woman, why call yourself Semen? Bit of a giveaway no?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 08:27:48 PM
If you're a dude and wanting to run as a woman, why call yourself Semen? Bit of a giveaway no?

The first clue came when she submitted her entry form

NAME: Mr Mrs Semenya


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 08:38:59 PM
they're going on about this bird being a bloke, did they ever gender test maria mutola? she was a beast!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 08:40:08 PM
Jenny Meadow in the 800m.  Outside chance of a medal.  Go on girl...

Okoro in it as well.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 08:41:43 PM
The best man won.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 08:42:04 PM
Meadows did get a medal.  Great run!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 08:42:24 PM
gogogogogogogogogogogo jenny, what a great run, good girl!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 19, 2009, 08:42:40 PM
abs incredible finish


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Tonji on August 19, 2009, 08:46:13 PM
Great run, another couple of metres & she'd have had silver.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 08:46:20 PM
that "bird" that won it is bollox, looked as though she was embarressed to win it by so far and she wasent breathing hard at all, looked like she was trying to stop herself from taking off, i dont know what the turn out is with her but as a kid you cannot run like that


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Amatay on August 19, 2009, 08:46:36 PM
congrats to the brit for getting a bronze silver medal


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 08:49:44 PM
congrats to the brit for getting a bronze silver medal

Aha!  I see what you did there ;)

Chuffed to bits for Jenny Meadows though, such a gutsy run (as opposed to the ballsy run by the winner).


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Eck on August 19, 2009, 09:25:02 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bqET22vEU

wtf


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 19, 2009, 09:30:49 PM
!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 19, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
erm..................that's a bloke.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: WarBwastard on August 19, 2009, 09:52:54 PM
Ask him/her to throw a cricket ball. 


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 19, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
now that I've watched that video I'm convinced it's a bird as no-one would be stupid enough to take a bloke with no womanly characteristics at all and expect to get away with putting him in women's events

a bird with serious hormonal inbalances it is


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 19, 2009, 09:56:39 PM
now that I've watched that video I'm convinced it's a bird as no-one would be stupid enough to take a bloke with no womanly characteristics at all and expect to get away with putting him in women's events

a bird with serious hormonal inbalances it is

I think you are probably right, surely the South Africans have done their homework before sending her to the games.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 19, 2009, 10:48:48 PM

'They're doing something different so must be on drugs' doesn't hold water.


I agree, but the argument that they're doing something different therefore that it's less likely that they're on drugs doesn't hold water either.

That Johnson and Bolt found very different techniques to best use different physiques to run faster than their rivals seems reasonable. It doesn't make it any less reasonable to be suspicious of such incredible performances.

It's the performances themselves which raise suspicion, which is the greatest shame.


I dont get this.

Surely if they ran the same style as everyone else and smashed the records by huge margins it'd be even more suspicious?

Therefore the fact that their running is unique is surely a plus in the agument that they are clean?

If there were two recent athletes I'd back to be clean it'd be the two mentioned.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 19, 2009, 10:52:49 PM
they're going on about this bird being a bloke, did they ever gender test maria mutola? she was a beast!!!!!

She starred opposite Arnie in Predator.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 20, 2009, 01:04:00 AM
I'm considered all the evidence and can confidently say that Semenya defo defo has a willy.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Boba Fett on August 20, 2009, 01:11:19 AM
From the BBC website  LMAO

Quote
The South African athletics federation insists it is "completely sure" that Semenya, 18, is a female.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: cambo on August 20, 2009, 01:15:07 AM
I'm considered all the evidence and can confidently say that Semenya defo defo has a willy.

was tucked in quite well


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 20, 2009, 01:18:50 AM
She's maybe a grower not a show-er


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 20, 2009, 12:56:31 PM
anagrams of 'Caster Semenya'

"seen scary meat"
"meat necessary"
"man secret easy"
"eat scary semen"
"eye man actress"
"yes, erect as man"


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: AndrewT on August 20, 2009, 01:13:48 PM
To be honest, I'm surprised the interviewer didn't ask her about the allegations in this post-race interview yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In3D3r-_l-E


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: NoflopsHomer on August 20, 2009, 01:20:57 PM
now that I've watched that video I'm convinced it's a bird as no-one would be stupid enough to take a bloke with no womanly characteristics at all and expect to get away with putting him in women's events

a bird with serious hormonal inbalances it is

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Futurama_ep67.jpg)


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 20, 2009, 07:33:02 PM
The bear running into the thing whilst carrying the wifey was comedy.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 20, 2009, 07:33:50 PM
The bear running into the thing whilst carrying the wifey was comedy.

best thing I've ever seen at atletics, I proper cracked up at that


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 20, 2009, 07:42:21 PM
Sooooooooooo sick 19.19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 20, 2009, 07:42:46 PM
wow, wow, wow again. smashed it

19.19


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Colchester Kev on August 20, 2009, 07:42:58 PM
!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 20, 2009, 07:43:24 PM
immense


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: nirvana on August 20, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
Wow


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: rossfourfive on August 20, 2009, 07:45:18 PM
I fkin love Usain Bolt.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: amcgrath1uk on August 20, 2009, 07:46:53 PM
Abs awesome


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 20, 2009, 07:47:26 PM
lol he makes johnson look like a right plodder

they said johnsons record might not be beaten in a lifetime, lol!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Pelham Boy on August 20, 2009, 07:47:46 PM
Gender test please, he's not human.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Nakor on August 20, 2009, 07:48:43 PM
I cannot write anything that does that justice.

An amazing performance.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: rossfourfive on August 20, 2009, 07:50:10 PM
That's pretty much his 100m speed over 200, unbelievable.

Give him drugs and see how fast he can go imo.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2009, 07:53:38 PM
Hehe - he's pretty quick.



Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 20, 2009, 07:59:29 PM
"a bad run, I was tired"

!!!!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2009, 08:09:34 PM
Vlašic

;kev;


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 20, 2009, 08:12:31 PM
If Bolt and Bekele (10000m winner) were to run against each other, over which distance would be it the closest ?*

*Doesn't have to be an olympic medal distance nearest 100m will do, relatively speaking as i know the smart answer is like less than 1m.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2009, 08:16:04 PM
It'd have to be something in the region of 600m?

Bekele runs sub-12 second 100m on his sprint finish at the end of a 10K run.  So he's no slouch.  I reckon Bekele would murder him in the 800m, Bolt would win comfortably at the 400m - so somewhere inbetween.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Tonji on August 20, 2009, 08:16:37 PM
Jamaica have become a world super power in athletics. How does such a small country achieve that?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2009, 08:17:06 PM
Vlašic going for the world record.

Good luck girl :)up


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 20, 2009, 08:22:11 PM
If Bolt and Bekele (10000m winner) were to run against each other, over which distance would be it the closest ?*

*Doesn't have to be an olympic medal distance nearest 100m will do, relatively speaking as i know the smart answer is like less than 1m.


1000m i think


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: boldie on August 20, 2009, 08:50:24 PM
OMFG @ Usain Bolt.....jesus, the most amazing thing I have ever seen.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Ironside on August 20, 2009, 08:56:46 PM
OMFG @ Usain Bolt.....jesus, the most amazing thing I have ever seen.

you need a trip to a lap dancing club


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: boldie on August 20, 2009, 09:11:49 PM
OMFG @ Usain Bolt.....jesus, the most amazing thing I have ever seen.

you need a trip to a lap dancing club

lol.


Would probably prefer to watch this race again TBH.......I am soo gay.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2009, 09:31:25 PM
If Bolt and Bekele (10000m winner) were to run against each other, over which distance would be it the closest ?*

*Doesn't have to be an olympic medal distance nearest 100m will do, relatively speaking as i know the smart answer is like less than 1m.


1000m i think

You reckon?  I think Bekele would murder him at the 800m.

Bekele's PB for the 1,500m is about the same as the best time run for the 1500m in 2008.  That makes him a fairly rapid 1,500m runner.  I doubt he's a slouch at the 800m either.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: WarBwastard on August 20, 2009, 09:32:52 PM
If Bolt and Bekele (10000m winner) were to run against each other, over which distance would be it the closest ?*

*Doesn't have to be an olympic medal distance nearest 100m will do, relatively speaking as i know the smart answer is like less than 1m.


1000m i think

You reckon?  I think Bekele would murder him at the 800m.

Surely Bolt couldn't run that far?  400m would be interesting


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TightEnd on August 20, 2009, 09:33:24 PM
hypothetical question

Could Bolt step up to 400m? and if so get the WR there?

I know he likely wouldn't step up, but he could right, and be a real threat?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2009, 09:35:09 PM
I want to see them race @ 800m.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 20, 2009, 09:35:23 PM
hypothetical question

Could Bolt step up to 400m? and if so get the WR there?

I know he likely wouldn't step up, but he could right, and be a real threat?

bolt could easily step up. he's a 200m runner who went down to the 100m

it might be diff if he was a 100m runner who'd already moved up


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2009, 09:35:56 PM
Yes, I think Bolt could be very good at the 400m. 


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 PM
I think in the build up to the 200m final his father mentioned in an interview that Bolt used to run the 200m and 400m as a youngster.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 20, 2009, 09:45:26 PM
I think in the build up to the 200m final his father mentioned in an interview that Bolt used to run the 200m and 400m as a youngster.

iirc he did it in a roundabout way. think he said he used to run 200 and 400 as a kid but not as fast as his son did


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: boldie on August 20, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
Yes, I think Bolt could be very good at the 400m. 

Bolt has said though that "400m is too far to run fast man, people should only walk that far...or get a taxi"


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longines on August 20, 2009, 09:47:37 PM
He ran 45.35 when he was 16.

Sub 19 and mid 42s in 2014 IMO.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 20, 2009, 09:47:58 PM
I think in the build up to the 200m final his father mentioned in an interview that Bolt used to run the 200m and 400m as a youngster.

Yeah he has a pb of  45.xx at 400m , he doesn't like the endurance training for 400 apparantly.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 20, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
He ran 45.35 when he was 16.

Sub 19 and mid 42s in 2014 IMO.

Lol that is pretty sick, love to see him try and get that down. He is going to need challenges in the sport and think this could be a good thing to aim it.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
I really want to see Bekele, Bolt and Semenya in an 800m race.



Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 20, 2009, 09:51:38 PM
I think he'll do the 400m eventually

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puKnL6nNkr0


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Colchester Kev on August 20, 2009, 09:52:36 PM
he still wouldn't beat our bolt in a dash from home to the offy when he has run out of stella just before it shuts.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 20, 2009, 09:55:21 PM
I really want to see Bekele, Bolt and Semenya in an 800m race.



It would be interesting to see the tactics, does Bolt go off like a hare and try survive or hang on and hit them with a sprint finish.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 20, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
he still wouldn't beat our bolt in a dash from home to the offy when he has run out of stella just before it shuts.

Ive been known to dip ten seconds on said occasions, once someone told me the guy that runs the offy was pissed and couldnt see what change he was giving out or who was taking what, i think i dipped 9:70


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Micko on August 20, 2009, 10:34:17 PM
Been reading Chambers autobiography he says that jamacia do not have random testing in place. Do youse think Bolt could be using steroids of some sort i would hate to see him getting caught up in a drugs scandal. What an awesome athlete!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 20, 2009, 11:09:19 PM
Vlašic

;kev;

She's an interesting one for me, she is very nearly, really really beautiful if that makes sense? There is something about her that makes me want to look at her, but she is slightly odd looking at the same time. ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: dousche on August 21, 2009, 02:18:24 AM
I really want to see Bekele, Bolt and Semenya in an 800m race.



It would be interesting to see the tactics, does Bolt go off like a hare and try survive or hang on and hit them with a sprint finish.

bolt would get torn to shreds by bekele. its all about the types of muscle fibres people have. anything around 10 seconds long uses type IIb (super anaerobic exercise), between that and 40 secs uses type IIa (anaerobic but less powerful and lasts for longer). longer than that uses type I (aerobic). those are the standard times, id imagine that they are slightly longer for top athletes. apparently 800m is ridic as the top guys are able to use some type IIb as well as type I - so the level of exersion is close to sprinting all the way round. long story short, usain bolt is made up of (relatively) loads of type IIb, some type IIa and not much type I. therefore his constant pace over 800m wouldnt compare to someone with relatively more type I fibres, ie bekele.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 21, 2009, 03:31:06 AM
I really want to see Bekele, Bolt and Semenya in an 800m race.



It would be interesting to see the tactics, does Bolt go off like a hare and try survive or hang on and hit them with a sprint finish.

bolt would get torn to shreds by bekele. its all about the types of muscle fibres people have. anything around 10 seconds long uses type IIb (super anaerobic exercise), between that and 40 secs uses type IIa (anaerobic but less powerful and lasts for longer). longer than that uses type I (aerobic). those are the standard times, id imagine that they are slightly longer for top athletes. apparently 800m is ridic as the top guys are able to use some type IIb as well as type I - so the level of exersion is close to sprinting all the way round. long story short, usain bolt is made up of (relatively) loads of type IIb, some type IIa and not much type I. therefore his constant pace over 800m wouldnt compare to someone with relatively more type I fibres, ie bekele.

well done, now kinboshi's gonna posts something thats longer, more boring, and has links to websites about it


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: cambo on August 21, 2009, 07:44:35 AM
lol


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2009, 09:04:49 AM
I really want to see Bekele, Bolt and Semenya in an 800m race.



It would be interesting to see the tactics, does Bolt go off like a hare and try survive or hang on and hit them with a sprint finish.

bolt would get torn to shreds by bekele. its all about the types of muscle fibres people have. anything around 10 seconds long uses type IIb (super anaerobic exercise), between that and 40 secs uses type IIa (anaerobic but less powerful and lasts for longer). longer than that uses type I (aerobic). those are the standard times, id imagine that they are slightly longer for top athletes. apparently 800m is ridic as the top guys are able to use some type IIb as well as type I - so the level of exersion is close to sprinting all the way round. long story short, usain bolt is made up of (relatively) loads of type IIb, some type IIa and not much type I. therefore his constant pace over 800m wouldnt compare to someone with relatively more type I fibres, ie bekele.

well done, now kinboshi's gonna posts something thats longer, more boring, and has links to websites about it

Oh I could!  read about Seb Coe - he was different to many of the other outstanding 800m/1500m runners in that he had a very good 400m time but a pretty poor 5,000m time.  I'd post links, but it'd upset bolt...


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2009, 09:05:38 AM
Vlašic

;kev;

She's an interesting one for me, she is very nearly, really really beautiful if that makes sense? There is something about her that makes me want to look at her, but she is slightly odd looking at the same time. ;carlocitrone;

I know exactly what you mean.  Me and Rookie had a very similar conversation during the Olympics.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 21, 2009, 09:51:22 AM
Vlašic

;kev;

She's an interesting one for me, she is very nearly, really really beautiful if that makes sense? There is something about her that makes me want to look at her, but she is slightly odd looking at the same time. ;carlocitrone;

I know exactly what you mean.  Me and Rookie had a very similar conversation during the Olympics.

BTW search her name and nekkkid pics lol rotflmfao


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: TheChipPrince on August 21, 2009, 10:06:32 AM
Vlašic

;kev;

She's an interesting one for me, she is very nearly, really really beautiful if that makes sense? There is something about her that makes me want to look at her, but she is slightly odd looking at the same time. ;carlocitrone;

I know exactly what you mean.  Me and Rookie had a very similar conversation during the Olympics.

BTW search her name and nekkkid pics lol rotflmfao

Perv.    Good work.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 21, 2009, 03:10:39 PM
(http://www.toonpool.com/user/2978/files/blanka_vlasic_366105.jpg)

And for those that aspire to be like Amatay but are at work or with  their other half   http://www.hothletes.com

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 22, 2009, 06:57:58 PM
lol what is it with this ethiopian bird? she keeps mangling it in the last 20 meters, you dont often see them having stamina problems.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 22, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
what happend to the U.S in the relay?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 22, 2009, 07:09:51 PM
lol theyre not in the womens final either, wtf?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 22, 2009, 07:24:58 PM

what happend to the U.S in the relay?

Disqualified for running out of lane (i think) for men

Women didn't finish the heat.

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on August 22, 2009, 07:39:37 PM
Are the  GB 400m relay women through with that run?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 22, 2009, 07:41:43 PM
Are the  GB 400m relay women through with that run?

easily

1st heat was very weak other than usa so getting a fastest loser spot at least in heat 2 was pretty much a formality


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on August 22, 2009, 07:43:16 PM
Are the  GB 400m relay women through with that run?

easily

1st heat was very weak other than usa so getting a fastest loser spot at least in heat 2 was pretty much a formality

ah good, thought that lee mcconnel (sp?!) might have blown it for us.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 22, 2009, 07:54:56 PM
Are the  GB 400m relay women through with that run?

easily

1st heat was very weak other than usa so getting a fastest loser spot at least in heat 2 was pretty much a formality

ah good, thought that lee mcconnel (sp?!) might have blown it for us.

So nearly relegated from British to Scottish.........


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on August 22, 2009, 07:56:14 PM
Bronze medal is good.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on August 22, 2009, 07:57:34 PM
Are the  GB 400m relay women through with that run?

easily

1st heat was very weak other than usa so getting a fastest loser spot at least in heat 2 was pretty much a formality

ah good, thought that lee mcconnel (sp?!) might have blown it for us.

So nearly relegated from British to Scottish.........


lol yeah

bolt looked tired running that bend, the t&t runner almost run him down!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 09:53:21 AM
Masterclass in baton exchanging from the British 4x100 team. Well deserved medal.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 23, 2009, 12:22:12 PM
Lisa Dobriskey has a great chance today.

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 23, 2009, 12:25:46 PM
Lisa Dobriskey has a great chance today.

Sandy

Doubt she will win but could sneak into a medal I reckon.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 01:28:43 PM
Masterclass in baton exchanging from the British 4x100 team. Well deserved medal.

Except that it was us that got the yanks thrown out of the comp.

Cheap IMO.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 01:38:36 PM
How did we make the yanks run in the wrong lane?

It's all practise isn't it. They didn't get the job done end of


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 23, 2009, 01:49:49 PM
How did we make the yanks run in the wrong lane?

It's all practise isn't it. They didn't get the job done end of

Fk the Yanks anyway, too many medals already imo.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 23, 2009, 01:50:20 PM
How did we make the yanks run in the wrong lane?

It's all practise isn't it. They didn't get the job done end of

they sure got DQed for running in the wrong lane


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 01:51:57 PM
No? Pardon the ignorance then, but why did they get the big D and the big Q?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 23, 2009, 01:53:49 PM
Just checked and they were out of the exchange zone on the last baton change.

http://www.examiner.com/x-4392-Miami-Running-Examiner~y2009m8d21-USA-disqualified-at-world-championships-video

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 02:01:32 PM
Cheers

So America fked up an exchange. They've only themselves to blame for getting booted out if they didn't complete the race within the parameters of the rules.

The amount of work the British lads put into their baton exchanging (which is a pretty integral part of the relay race is it not?) was obvious and the Americans were found wanting in that department.

The medal sure ain't cheap, it was won via hard graft.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 02:20:48 PM
How did we make the yanks run in the wrong lane?

It's all practise isn't it. They didn't get the job done end of

We didn't but no one noticed the infraction until we grassed and why did we grass? Coz we had no chance of a medal if we didn't.

Cheap.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 23, 2009, 02:23:02 PM
How did we make the yanks run in the wrong lane?

It's all practise isn't it. They didn't get the job done end of

We didn't but no one noticed the infraction until we grassed and why did we grass? Coz we had no chance of a medal if we didn't.

Cheap.

I refer to my previous answer


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 02:24:34 PM
How did we make the yanks run in the wrong lane?

It's all practise isn't it. They didn't get the job done end of

We didn't but no one noticed the infraction until we grassed and why did we grass? Coz we had no chance of a medal if we didn't.

Cheap.

I refer to my previous answer

LOL!!!! True


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 02:27:43 PM
lol @ the word grassing being used in this context. It's sport. Is it grassing in tennis if someone says that their opponents serve was out when the officals rule it in.

If not, how is this different?

There's every chance the US would have fucked up the baton changing in the final too. I don't think our bronze here is a cheap medal.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 02:37:30 PM
The question for me is WHY you stitch up the yanks.

It's all well and good acting noble now that we've won but I dont for one second believe this was done to "play by the rules". It was done to win a medal end of story. I'd rather win my medals by competing vs the very best teams. Not having the opposition removed for something a judge didn't spot.

We've not accepted a referee's judgement, gone back and studied the tape to get the yanks kicked out.

How cheap can you get?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 23, 2009, 02:48:59 PM
utter nonsense. so if the judges had spotted it you would presumably be happy with the way we earned the medal?

so to you the validity of the medal depends on whether or not the judge spots an infringement


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 02:49:45 PM
Why is competing against another team a bad thing all of a sudden? It's a race and not a coalition of the willing.

I really don't understand where you're coming from. The yank ran over the line and you're not allowed to do that.



Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 02:50:20 PM
utter nonsense. so if the judges had spotted it you would presumably be happy with the way we earned the medal?

so to you the validity of the medal depends on whether or not the judge spots an infringement

Yes to the top sentence.

No to the bottom senetence. You are putting words into my mouth.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 02:51:23 PM
Why is competing against another team a bad thing all of a sudden?



Precisely my point.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Woodsey on August 23, 2009, 02:53:50 PM
The question for me is WHY you stitch up the yanks.

It's all well and good acting noble now that we've won but I dont for one second believe this was done to "play by the rules". It was done to win a medal end of story. I'd rather win my medals by competing vs the very best teams. Not having the opposition removed for something a judge didn't spot.

We've not accepted a referee's judgement, gone back and studied the tape to get the yanks kicked out.

How cheap can you get?

[  ] We all care
[X] Ship the medal


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
Is it grassing in tennis if someone says that their opponents serve was out when the officals rule it in.

Would a sportsman of Federer, Nadal or Murray's stature have taken this option if it meant their opponent in the final was kicked out altogether?

Doubtful.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
Why is competing against another team a bad thing all of a sudden?



Precisely my point.

We did compete and we came in third!


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 23, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Is it grassing in tennis if someone says that their opponents serve was out when the officals rule it in.

Would a sportsman of Federer, Nadal or Murray's stature have taken this option if it meant their opponent in the final was kicked out altogether?

Doubtful.

I can't think of many situations in tennis where this characteristic would come to the fore with the current technology, as much as I love Murray he most certainly has a win at all costs attitude imo.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
Is it grassing in tennis if someone says that their opponents serve was out when the officals rule it in.

Would a sportsman of Federer, Nadal or Murray's stature have taken this option if it meant their opponent in the final was kicked out altogether?

Doubtful.

I can't think of many situations in tennis where this characteristic would come to the fore with the current technology, as much as I love Murray he most certainly has a win at all costs attitude imo.

Fair enough. I just cant help but compare what happened to a footballer brandishing an imaginary red card to a referee.

Should Rooney have been sent off vs Portugal? Yes. Does it make Ronaldo asking for it to happen correct? Not in a million years IMO.

Oh but wait.... it was within the rules....


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 23, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
utter nonsense. so if the judges had spotted it you would presumably be happy with the way we earned the medal?

so to you the validity of the medal depends on whether or not the judge spots an infringement

Yes to the top sentence.

No to the bottom senetence. You are putting words into my mouth.

surely if you're happy with the medal if the infringement is spotted and unhappy if it's not then you are judging its validity on the judge's judgement?


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 03:03:42 PM
I watched a tennis match at Wimbledon where Federer's opponent developed an injury and Federer played shots that would cause that injury maximum stress and therefore lock in his own chance of making the next round.

It's all good within the rules of a specific sport. GB played within them in this relay race, the US did not.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 03:03:49 PM
utter nonsense. so if the judges had spotted it you would presumably be happy with the way we earned the medal?

so to you the validity of the medal depends on whether or not the judge spots an infringement

Yes to the top sentence.

No to the bottom senetence. You are putting words into my mouth.

surely if you're happy with the medal if the infringement is spotted and unhappy if it's not then you are judging its validity on the judge's judgement?

I never questioned the validity of the decision at any stage.

It is team GB's actions I am discussing only.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: The Baron on August 23, 2009, 03:05:02 PM
I watched a tennis match at Wimbledon where Federer's opponent developed an injury and Federer played shots that would cause that injury maximum stress and therefore lock in his own chance of making the next round.

It's all good within the rules of a specific sport. GB played within them in this relay race, the US did not.

That's fine - well done us.

It doesn't surprise me that we're a second rate sprinting nation.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 03:06:42 PM
We sure are a second rate sprinting nation.

We sure haven't amassed a pretty impressive collection of medals of all colours in sprinting, sprint relay and sprint hurdling events in the Olympics and World Championships within our lifetimes.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 23, 2009, 03:07:22 PM
The yank ran over the line and you're not allowed to do that.

err, again, no he didn't

the D Q was for the baton being passed prior to it entering the passing zone

btw, the IAAF did not give a reason for rejecting the US's appeal and it's looking now like it may well have made a wrong decision, the changeove was borderline but there's probably not clear enough evidence for a D Q


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
Is it grassing in tennis if someone says that their opponents serve was out when the officals rule it in.

Would a sportsman of Federer, Nadal or Murray's stature have taken this option if it meant their opponent in the final was kicked out altogether?

Doubtful.

I can't think of many situations in tennis where this characteristic would come to the fore with the current technology, as much as I love Murray he most certainly has a win at all costs attitude imo.

What if someone on the internet makes an arbitary distinction as to something he has done being a bit off. How will he live with himself?

I guess this is why sportsmen need paying so much.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: Longy on August 23, 2009, 03:36:23 PM
Is it grassing in tennis if someone says that their opponents serve was out when the officals rule it in.

Would a sportsman of Federer, Nadal or Murray's stature have taken this option if it meant their opponent in the final was kicked out altogether?

Doubtful.

I can't think of many situations in tennis where this characteristic would come to the fore with the current technology, as much as I love Murray he most certainly has a win at all costs attitude imo.

What if someone on the internet makes an arbitary distinction as to something he has done being a bit off. How will he live with himself?

I guess this is why sportsmen need paying so much.

Well I have started ignoring Roger's texts and i am sure he will get over it.


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2009, 03:41:31 PM
The yank ran over the line and you're not allowed to do that.

err, again, no he didn't

the D Q was for the baton being passed prior to it entering the passing zone


Oh, ok.

I thought it was for the baton being passed after it leaving the passing zone.
For some reason the beebs coverage of this incident was sparse


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 23, 2009, 03:44:18 PM
Bekele  ;tightend;

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 23, 2009, 03:50:40 PM
this is the changeover in question. the baton hasn't quite reached the passing zone (starts at the dotted line) but then it hasn't quite touched the next runers hand yet

(http://image2.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/4x100.jpg)


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: henrik777 on August 23, 2009, 04:12:02 PM
That's an interesting race !!!

Bronze for Dobriskey after being impeded but the winner may be chucked oot.

Sandy


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: gatso on August 23, 2009, 06:51:14 PM
for those that missed the moment of the championship, here it is. just after melaine walker won gold in the 400m hurdles

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8213221.stm


Title: Re: World Championship Athletics
Post by: bolt pp on September 13, 2009, 07:06:07 PM
fml jetter hasnt stopped winning since berlin and has just done a...............................................10.67!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

destroyed the 2 jamacians that turned her over in the worlds, so fucking sick!