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When Tikay posted about banning Kev I made my feelings known that I thought he had gone about things the wrong way. I wasn't nailing my colours to the mast in support of kev, but I did feel Tikay's post was unnecessary and underhand.


I now understand why he did this, due to other much more important issues that couldn't be exposed at the time. I appreciate I may be only just catching up with info that many other Blondenders have been aware of for some time, but I never pretended to be quick on the uptake :).

This post isn't intended to knock Kev, it's not about what I think of him. It's purely to point out that I made a wrong assumption - based on the evidence on the page - and would now like to apologise.

Relationships are built up very quickly in poker, or so we think, when in reality they are purely superficial friendships. Forums help to fuel the flames of solidarity when one of your poker compadres is getting a hard time. The truth is poker, and poker forums, are a breeding ground for socially inept people, as well as a platform for degenerates to set out their stall. There are plenty of "normal" people in the game, and if you count yourself as one of the "normal" or socially acceptable, just be careful who you get friendly with - you probably already count murderers, rapists, gambling addicts, con men and generaly sick fucks amongst your poker inner circle.

Not been on for a while so to save me trawling through:

Who is Kev and VERY briefly, what did he do?

Colchester kev got a ban. Is that brief enough?

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48940.0

Hi, its probably best to read these two threads


You'll get the full range of opinions in there, rather than re-hashing a very difficult episode from afresh


http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48940.0

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=49000.0

GFY

he didnt do anything - why are you even bothered if you didnt know him!

tighty i find it difficlut to believe you entertain these clowns and yet complain about the effect it has on blonde!

Probably only has 100 posts because he turned up for blatch gate!

Not sure I am complaining about anything Guy. It is what it is, as is the effect on blonde.

you sure havent in the past

Ah well, we're all guilty of that.

Agreed.


He registered in 2006 and you registered in 2008.

Sandy

please fill us all in , "what were the more important things that couldnt be exposed at the time" ?

have not seen any other statements regards the handling of the kev situation or anything else that justifies his treatment.

have i missed something or you just basing it on chinese whispers you've been fed??

registered in '06 and doesnt know KEV

[  ] blonde

I'm not very good at Blonde speak but think I may have this right -

1. [ ] sure you don't know.

2. I'm not attempting to justify how Tikay or anyone treated Kev.

3. If you don't know what you're missing how can you know whether it is Chinese whispers or not?

Not sure why you are being so aggressive. Do I know you?

Riddletastic.  ;surrender;

aggressive? im sorry if it came across that way wasnt meant.
no i dont know you i just asked what new info has came up regarding kev that made u change your mind on how tikay handled it thats all

Here we go again...

people having discussion not allowed on blonde anymore floppy?

im just curious what had came to light that made someone apologies to tikay regards how he handle the kev saga?

As I said, I'm probably the last to catch up. You knew it all long before me, so what's new to me is old hat to you. So you're not missing anything at all.

Incidentally, why have you changed your forum name?

 ;booder;

Correct, I'm clearly the standard bearer for censorship. :)

he hasn't.

[ x ] it's turny's son [ ] Tony

I know who he is. But he was InTheBelly on Blonde up until last Friday wasn't he?

C'mon Cos, you know I'm over 40 - you'd have to bash the granny outta me to get me to understand these [ ] and [X}.  I must have it wrong, I thought he was Rookies Pa. Not Tony Turny. Or should that be

• Tony Turny :)

5 4 3 2 1 delete ;)

No I got confused lol. Didn't realised Turny had changed his name - I thought it was his other son Turny's account.

my badddd

np

Good signature btw :)

changing your name on the forum is against the rules now to is it?

i changed it cos most people know me as turny, inthebelly was old hat so i requested to change it, i hope thats ok

Chill, my friend. I come in peace

Would prefer Turny and Mouth personally!

Threads still locked?

I'd like to take this oppurtunity to not apologise to either Tikay or the mods.

Unbanning Kev is not pointless. Sure he won't post anyway, but the ban says, whether you mean it to or not, that you agree with anyone who wants to judge Kev as a bad man. For a random reading about this, it's the quickest explanation, Kev is a bad bad man and the mods banning him as a regular forum member even though he did fk all wrong on the forum confirms this.

This is me giving you all the benefit of the doubt that the words you all said in support of Kev were not disingenous. Unban plz

'come and join the fun on the blonde poker forum ' - from the Blonde Poker homepage

Well I did and was promptly told to GFY !!  ;D ;D ;D

You can argue that what has gone on is not serious enough for a ban, but I don't think you can say he did fk all wrong.

Kev says in his blog, regarding the lack of money transfer:


The other issue is somewhat more serious and is something that I am greatly ashamed about.


If I had been helping run the cardroom,and to be helpful, transferred the money to myself, spent it, then returned to one of my poker accounts, but 2 years later I still hadn't given it to the rightful owner.......I think I would be rightfully banned.

The hard judgement call is that it was Kev (greatly thought of Mod and cardroom manager and a friend to many blondes)....and I think it was a terribly difficult decision for the Blonde mgt to make.

Guess the trouble is, if you're holding a position of trust, such as a mod, and you prove you can't be trusted, that position obviously cannot be hold by you any longer, through your own doing.

There's the knock on effect as well of course. There may be other things happening "behind the scenes" - more serious things - that a mod who has already proved to be untrustworthy and dishonest could not be allowed access to.

If Tikay had "demodded" Kev, straight after him posting his blog, and not given anyone an explanation, would the Blonde RentAMob have quietly accepted that? IMO there would have been plenty of people on here who would have assumed the two things were related and still given Tikay a hard time.

Well I guess Tikay's old enough (despite the lies he tells on his Facebook Profile lol ) to take it on the chin. The truth always comes out in the end, and when it does I think there will be more than just me apologising to him.

blatch gate? must have missed that one too  ;D

but there still is a mod who has already proved to be untrustworthy and dishonest who is still in position and has full access rights to information that mods enjoy.

but your right one day the  FULL truth will come out, i for one cant wait, but that day will have to wait for now.

For me this is the KEY issue here.

It's an absolute joke that this mod has not yet been de-modded.

they are working on my severance pay

You get paid?!  Oh man - there's gonna be anarchy in the mods room now. 

Nice to see the concerns from two longstanding blondes taken seriously. [  ]

i think you will find its a lot more than two cos, but easier to laugh it off

Oh yeah I know mate, just sayin seeing as me and tank just posted on the matter.

Will obv get brushed under the carpet.

What has the mod done in terms of blonde that you believe means they she be gotten rid of ?

As far as i see she fell out with Kev and it got nasty. Aside from both being posters and mods i fail to see what a personal dispute has to do with it.

Have you raised any concerns apart from she pissed off my mate ?

There is also the attitude from Tikay which aiui has always been that if you don't like it then go elsewhere.

Sandy

I believe he posted (in a now locked thread) that he'd address the concerns if evidence of wrong doing was presented to him.

Ok, I went to post in the thread last week when I saw this, but it got locked moments before I got the chance. As this thread is going down the same path as that one, I will post this here instead. Just for you to draw your own conclusions to.

Greekstein in last weeks thread :

"I haven't posted on the matter because I will prob be questioned shortly by the police and didn't want to say anything which may interfere with any investigation so in keeping with this whole thread I'll be somewhat vague.

However, I was on the night out with everyone (including the parties involved) the night before the incident took place and the video was subsequently sent to me after. People can know because I'm not hiding from the fact I'm one of those it was sent to.

I'm not proud of the fact I didn't say anything but from a personal standpoint, and I think I speak on behalf of most/all of those it was sent to - I think some of us who were sent the video were shocked by it and just didn't know how to react. It's the first time I'd ever seen something of it's nature and as stupid as it sounds, I thought it was maybe best forgotten."


Greekstein in this thread http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=47546.msg1161862#msg1161862 on April 09, 2010. A good 6 months after "the video" (and Laxie didn't know about it at this time).

"LOL Laxie - Shieldsy's the biggest nutter I've ever met. Absolutely hilarious, but no boundaries. Just cos he was a gentleman to you doesn't mean he's not capable of writing those posts. In fact I doubt there's much that guy isn't capable of! I've seen some of the stuff he's done by video to my phone - nutter!"

Sorry I got really annoyed by Cos' post on the matter and had to make that point.

Sandy,

My comments are irrespective of what has happened to Kev in terms of his ban. Fact of the matter is this: she's a mod and acted in a wholy inappropriate way. Guaran-damn-teed if it was Boshi or Bongo etc they would have been stripped of their modship by now.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But from what i've read (not what you may know) it doesn't appear she did in terms of blonde.

From the outside looking in she has not abused the mod status.

Sandy

I guess it depends what your definition of "wrong" is.

If it's wrong to find information on your ex's PC, after an acrimoniuos split - and pass that on to the person it involves, then sack her for sure.

Of course if the information is highly offensive, a massive breach of someone's privacy and has been posted on Youtube and generally passed into the public domain for other forum members and the general public to view, all without that person's knowledge then how can it be wrong? To my mind it's making a massive wrong right - letting the victim know what has gone on and not leaving her in blissful ignorance, unaware of what has gone on without her consent and without her knowledge. How is that wrong?

The people who viewed the video all now claim they wanted to tell the victim but didn't know how to - well guess what guys - someone saved you the embarrassment of having to tell her yourself. In essence, this mod did what you claim you all wanted to do - so surely a thank you is required, rather than castigation.

If you're all genuinely without blame in this sordid episode then better to sit back and shut up I think. Conside how you would feel if it was your mum, your sister or your girlfriend? Would you think it was funny then? If it was your mum and the mod had told her what had happened and who was laughing at her, surely you would want to thank the mod for helping?

If this hadhappened to me I would have paid a visit to each and every single one of the "men" invloved in both he the making and the distribution of this film and castrated every motherfucking last one of ya.

Think it's time to stop trying to blame people on the sidelines and look at who the real victim is here.

the fact that Jane is still a mod is a joke and makes an absolute laughing stock of the other Mods proetcting her

its amazing how a woman can make men change their judgement on things!

Slight technicality - I'm not actually a mod.

BOOM my thoughts exactly - and Turny also makes a couple of comments in this thread that clearly point out he knew what had happened and was laughing as well. It was all so funny then wasn't it? But now the police are involved over what was a serious sexual assault - suddenly you're not laughing anymore?

lighten me?
what comments were they on this thread please en

I think the issue is that people holding positions as moderators have to be respected and trusted by the members - presumably those are two of the main criteria taken into consideration when mods are chosen.  A lot of members have voiced concerns over the issue of Jane's continuing modship, and for that reason alone those concerns should be answered on the forum, whatever decision is taken.  just imho of course.

If blonde came out and said Jane is untrustworthy it would open up a potentially expensive hole would it not ?

Sandy

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Sandy

where exactly does it say i knew about any video and that i was laughing myself?

absolute bullshit from your mouth to your typing finger

I'm not sure how Ginger can be defended. She invaded the privacy of Kev, and everyone else who has ever sent an email, pm or had a conversation with him. The fact that she found something incriminating is irrelevant to that fact. Personally, I have likely sent pms to Kev that I wouldn't want read, but there's a good chance they were, and for that person to continue as a mod is pretty disgraceful and a poor reflection on a community that I used to hold in such high regard.

i'm not saying they should or they shouldn't, but a number have members have said they are uncomfortable with her continuing modship, and i think an answer should be forthcoming one way or the other.

edit: i should declare a vested interest here actually lest people think i'm just being sly.  an msn conversation i had with kev was also shared with a third party by jane, so i'm a little bit personally peeved.

at last someone who speaks sense and is better at expressing it than me

erm - where you said on the same page "sheildsy the little angel  rotflmfao" etc. Why do you need enlightening on something you wrote, or have you forgotten? Why are you attempting to paint yoruself as wronged and whiter than white on here when on FB you are taking the piss?


Sunday at 12:02pm · LikeUnlike.Paul Turnstill i didnt laugh at this comment, i just told kev not to risk it. people do stupid things when drunk, things very much out of character.some people act like complete sluts others get aggressive and others play silly pranks they regret.
but kev... doesnt need do gooders hijacking threads telling him right from wrong especially those in glass houses, so with that il leave the thread lol.See More
Sunday at 12:58pm · LikeUnlike.Kevin Shepherd Lol, mountain out of molehill. if anyone fancies a sunday ride on the moral high horse,knock yaselfs out, i thought it was funny.
Sunday at 1:06pm · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....Paul Turnstill u was kev ;-) x read deeper lol

Hardly a silly prank IMO. Doesn't look like the police think it's a silly prank either.

You need to get your priorities right mate. If you think sexually abusing a drunk woman without her consent or knowledge is acceptable you need to see a shrink yourself.  

Good post Snoops

snoops please dont point out the obvious, it might dawn on them that this isnt just about kev....................................... oh wait!

very nh sir

+1

On the forum ripple

You can argue very effectively against the first clause of my sentence if you ignore the second one.

I have never had sex with barnyard animals.

You could argue that yes I have had sex but... I hope you see my point.




We all make mistakes, I certainly do, Kev certainly does and in terms of the way this was handled Tikay does too. I don't want to bleat about that though, what's done is done. I'm concerned at what is happening now, or rather not happening now.

OP is a more or less textbook case of why leaving Kev banning is in effect hanging him out to dry in the court of public opinion. It says that the completely fucked up treatment he got when this came out (or didn't come out rather) was completely justified.

Shouldn't have a go at 'the mods' as a collective though. We know the Kev decision initially had nothing to do with them and was just Tightend and Tikay acting alone. Are we to assume that they are still powerless to act on this issue?

This is pretty much my view on why Ginger should be demodded. I know very little about the other stuff going on but that alone should be enough for her to be taken out of a position of responsibility.

And Flushy iirc.

Sandy

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unfortunately

I just feel people may have got their priorities somewhat confused here.

If Jane found evidence that might help a criminal case be closed I think that proves her actions were justified.

glad to see you have nothing better to do than follow me on facebook, im flattered ;-)

my opinions on what happened on that night will be told to the police when they are requested, not here on a forum, not until the matter is resolved anyway.

for your information though, i never saw any video so i dont think it would be possible for me to laugh at it.

Not convinced of that but if you left a mobile at your ex's house after you split and didn't expect them to browse your text and files you'd be in a minority.

There might be a chance they wouldn't  if they spot it quick but in that case you'd better duck.

Sandy

2 wrongs dont make a right.  Invading someones privacy by reading emails/text messages/PM's/mail through the door etc etc should be illegal imo

Is 'helping a criminal case to be closed' always justification for carrying out an criminal act? The recent Imerman judgement means Jane's actions are highly likely to have been criminal.

lol so can we have a look round in your private life please keith just in case we find some dirt to dish on you? if not no harm done aye?

part of the problem is, because neither Jane herself nor anyone else that might be 'in the know' have said, is that we have no idea whether Jane was looking through Kev's computer for something specific and happened across the other information, or whether she was just having a general snoop.  In fact, that's not really part of the problem, it's irrelevant imo.  If Jane thought Kev's computer, which was in her possession, potentially contained evidence that might be useful for a police investigation, she should have contacted the police, rather than compromising her position as a moderator of the forum by looking at many members personal messages to Kev, as well as stuff outside of blonde.

If Jane were to voluntarily resign as mod, it would make things a lot easier. This is not going away, this thread will get out of control and get locked and there will be another one next week. The healing process has not yet begun.

Personally I think the case for forcibly de modding isn't as strong as some suggest, but it might be a good thing for her to stand down voluntarily.

Kev not posting for a while also a good thing for the forum. Would be nice if he could do this without the indignity of a ban.

I agree up to rather.

Sandy

This part is definitely true.

pretty much this.  Jane is an intelligent woman - she must realise why she should not continue as a moderator and I'm surprised she didn't voluntarily offer her resignation when this first came out (unless she has and it's just not been addressed).

There is quite a huge difference between all and sundry looking at your computer, and your ex partner, don't you think?

Damn rumour mill, wrong again.

Sandy

not when she is holding a gun and a mega phone no!

no i dont think tbh, an ex partner is just that an ex so in my opinion has no more right to look than anyone else.
 a persons personal space should be that and shouldnt be invaded by anyone including there partner.
so just be me to have a look then keith? not all and sundry that ok?

Is there evidence to suggest that she looked at anything aside from chat logs?

as far as im aware it was chatlogs and emails (she deleted a number so must have had access) so i wouldnt be suprised if it was pm's too


maybe jane can confirm herself otherwise?

Does that mean there was, as far as you are aware, no evidence that she had read PMs?

I dunno, maybe my values are fcked up, but I really can't see there is much comparison between someone watching a video of a sexual assault and doing nothing about it and someone looking through an expartners chat files.

no im not aware of evidence of this  (others maybe aware)though it would be much easier to hide especially if in a position of power on the site the pms are sent

FYP

the difference is one is against the law of the country  and the other isnt. il leave u to decide which is which

there's not - but the issues are getting clouded because they are interrelated

[  ] kev was the only person to see it
[  ] kev was laughing and joking to the world about it
[  ] others who have seen it are being treated the same way
[  ] he knew what was going on exactly

[  ] tikay would have been straight on the phone to the police if he had seen the same thing in the same circumstances


there is no-one on this forum, not even tikay, with nothing in their private lives that they wouldnt want to be aired in public. like i have said before - if there is - let them put up a thread

Seeing as this has been re-opened (sigh) i just wanted to make reference to something boldie said in the original thread, this happened at an APAT event and NOT a blonde bash, so can people go have their argument about what happened on that forum, cheers.

It was my understanding the guy involved had admitted it, if I'm wrong, I apologise.

So from now on ,only events from Blonde bashes to be discussed on this forum?  

kev and jane werent even at the apat event, also they arent/werent mods for the apat forum

In all fairness i had thought it was a blonde bash and that is how it seemed to ,i assume, all of us not in the know.

Sandy

Boldie's post on the other thread referred to future blonde bashes etc and his concerns he would have for MrsB, which was a bit unfair as this had nothing to do with a blonde bash. Is what i'm thinking flushy is thinking...

Precisely.

It was stated in the other thread it happened at a BB, this is not true.

I agree with most of this Guy.

I think it's very unfortunate all this has become public knowledge, especially as Kev is poorly at the moment and has been denied the right of reply.

Just a technical query which I'm not sure of - is it 'alleged' if the suspect has admitted it to the police? Anyone?

this

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now if i can get flushy to quote one of my posts on PHA and write 'this' underneath it my life will be complete!

Wee correction.  Kev WAS there for some portion of the week-end as were many others from blonde who are not active members of APAT.  We all joked about it being a mini blonde bash, however I do agree it was not a blonde organised event.  Just happened to be a good few blondes around at some point or other on that particular week-end.

thats for the police or more importantly the crown prosecution to decide.
 whether a wasted drunken guy was right to admit something which he cant remember that clearly. he took the video yes but cirrcumstances leading up to it and surrounding it are imo still unclear.

as i say the police will act on the evidence uncovered and given to them.

This is speculation and I don't think it's helpful, especially when it implies there are powers to help mods spy on people or similar - which isn't the case.

Guys, I'll Post shortly, & try to fill in some gaps, a lot of wrong assumptions are being made here.

In the meantime, it may be an idea to hold off.

Thanks.

Where is Mikkyt these days?

it just joins the million other bits of speculation spoken about on this thread

People making an issue out of ginger still?"?

Lets get this straight, due to her actions and peoples perceptions of her; she wont be back to blonde in any capacity. Whether people want this official or not it don't really matter.

Wow..!!!

Evidence??  You sure she did all the things u said she did, with exception to giving evidence to 2 crimes to the authorities..!!

I was once sat on a neighbours computer, fixing it, happened to see an open MSN chat window, saw a conversation I should not have seen.  Does not mean I read all her emails..!!

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omg lol you had permission to be on it! you didnt hack into it did you, jesus christ what a stupid comparison!

"Earlier on today, apparently, a woman rang the BBC and said she heard there was a hurricane on the way; well, if you're watching, don't worry, there isn't"

Sandy

Technically, it is not alleged if the person admitted the crime to the police..  FACT..

 "In what parralell universe would Bainn ever be calld the "authorities"

omg lol you had permission to be on it! you didnt hack into it did you, jesus christ what a stupid comparison!
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I understand this computer you are talking about as a private computer, was in fact a communal family desktop computer used by all...  The fact that person who owned the cumputer was not living at that house any more does not suddenly change the access rights of the people still in that house who were all previously using the computer with permission..  But I am sure you will not agree with that either..!! Invasion of privacy - I think not..!!

From what I can see, you are blaming people for bringing offences forward or being as saintly as yourself rather than your friends for being caught..!!

There wasn't a hurricane, it was pretty windy though.

I don't quite know where to begin, & what to address.

I'll make a few points though.

Please note I am working elsewhere tonight,(Online), so I only have so much time before then.

There is a lot of noise suggesting the Mods were/are handling this badly.

Perhaps, perhaps not, but that disguises the actual position.

The Mods as a whole are not party to the wider information.

They only know, pretty much, what everyone else does.

That was a deliberate decision that Tighty & I made jointly.

Their input to the various threads is only on the periphery, to lock threads when it gets out of hand, to execute normal mod husbandry.

They are privy to very little info about the matters, hardly more than any regular Member. They will confirm this if asked, I believe.

The main position, & decisions, in this, are not of the Mods as a whole.

So the various abuse & criticism being thrown at them in this & other threads is not appropriate.

All they are doing is thread husbandry.

The wider matters have been largely restricted to Tighty & myself.

In the week leading up to "that" Sunday, Tighty & Kev had a lot of convos via various written means, as the stories unfolded. Given the content, Tighty was obliged to share them with me. He or I have not shared that with the other Mods.

As far as I know, I have seen everything Tighty has seen, the other Mods have not seen any of the "evidence".

Tighty is also in a bit of a spot, as not everyone may think he can be wholly objective on all the matters, especially as to Jane. I think he can & is, but the perception may be otherwise, perhaps understandably. 

That just leaves me, then.

More soon, bear with me please.

PS - I did ask you to hold off whilst I made a few Posts. It would be helpful to all if you did.

I always wondered why the Met Office didn't employ that woman, as she obv gives more accurate forecasts than they do.

I understand this computer you are talking about as a private computer, was in fact a communal family desktop computer used by all...  The fact that person who owned the cumputer was not living at that house any more does not suddenly change the access rights of the people still in that house who were all previously using the computer with permission..  But I am sure you will not agree with that either..!! Invasion of privacy - I think not..!!

From what I can see, you are blaming people for bringing offences forward or being as saintly as yourself rather than your friends for being caught..!!
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for the record your honour, the pc in question wasnt a family pc and secondly kev changed his password to start the pc before he left

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if i have referred to mods i mean tikay and tighty

Pretty sure the only mod anyone wants to hear about is Jane and if she is staying a mod.
I think most people would agree that you were in a difficult position in all of this,and maybe it hasnt been handled the right way but you did what you thought was best at the time.
Its just very frustrating that the issue of Jane keeps being swept away,regardless of wether she read Kevs pms or not if a large portion of the forum thinks she is untrustworthy surely she must resign/be demodded by the powers that be,whoever they are lol

From what I understand, my statement about it being communal is correct, and, unpassworded too..!!!

Also, look at this description below from Wikipedia...  How closely does it fit here?

A whistleblower is a person who raises a concern about wrongdoing occurring in an organization or body of people. Usually this person would be from that same organization. The revealed misconduct may be classified in many ways; for example, a violation of a law, rule, regulation and/or a direct threat to public interest, such as fraud, health/safety violations, and corruption. Whistleblowers may make their allegations internally (for example, to other people within the accused organization) or externally (to regulators, law enforcement agencies, to the media or to groups concerned with the issues).

Whistleblowers frequently face reprisal - sometimes at the hands of the organization or group which they have accused, sometimes from related organizations, and sometimes under law.

In my personal opinion, it fits perfectly here, and, completely justified if the blown person is guilty..  I am correct in saying here that both have not denied thier blown crimes, or more truthfully, they both admitted it....

lol @ sourcing from wikipedia

u understand wrong about the pc in question

sorry Tikay, I know you've asked us not to post right now but I just want to get some clarification on this before it gets lost and goes out of my head.

Where have you got this information from Carl, because the rest of us can only go by what we've heard and presumed to be the case (that kev's account on the computer was password protected, as would his msn account have been).  Have I missed something somewhere?

not having a pop btw - just can't recall this being mentioned before

Guess it depends who told ya..

exactly

Chat logs are stored in plain text on the computer and windows account security doesn't do much. Were there other accounts on the PC?

I've seen lots of XP installations that had a hidden administrator account with no password.

And which one you believe.. Someone who stole from someone, or, the person who had enough morals to notify of the offence.!!

ah didn't realise that.  ta bongo.

dunno if the question was directed at me - I wouldn't have a scoobies!

it was kevs pc, it was password protected by kev, no one else needed to be on it, so how the snooping bitch got on it is errelevant !

You imply she hacked into it, which is different to just accessing it.

enough morals to invade someones privacy

pretty sure you must be the saint here not me ;-)

Are we arguing now why Kev was banned or why Ginger should be banned?

So many part stories Im starting to lose it.

The issue of Jane's Modship.

Jeez, this is very complicated, but here we go.

Responsibility for who does & does not Mod rests ultimately with me. To some degree they all input, then Tighty collates that, & then he passes it to me, usually with a recommendation, to make the final decision.

My memory is hazy on this (but the point remains the same), because, please understand, I'm being overwhelmed with PM's, Texts, phone calls, FB Messages, all of which I try to reply to, & it's entirely possible I may mis-remember some of this stuff. I lead a full life, & have a day job elsewhere, which consumes a lot of time & energy, so cut me a little slack if I get a few things slighty wrong as to detail, but be assured it's not deliberate. I have no need to lie about anything.

My memory is that at LEAST one Mod has expressed a strong view to me that Jane should be removed of her Modship. I'm not denying others did, I just don't, right now, recall.

He - the one I clearly remember - expressed that view away from the Mods board - obviously. He sent me PM's, & we discussed it at length over the telephone. His view was very strong, but failed to convince me. We never fell out, but we never reached a meeting of minds on it. I did understand his view though & he understood mine. It remains an unresolved issue.

It's just not possible to discuss Jane on the Mods board, for obvious reasons. You may think that's reason enough to remove her modship, but I'm not sure THAT reason is adequate. Other reasons (to follow) are open to a wide variance of opinion, but the fact that we cannot discuss the issues because Jane may see them is negated, because we do not discuss them in the Mods Board anyway.

Furthermore, the main bone of contention as to Jane's Modship is (& I may be wrong in that) that she is accused of reading Kev's PM's improperly.

There is NO evidence that Jane ever examined Kev's PM's - or none that I have seen. None at all.

Does anyone have such evidence? If so, send it to me.

Because she looked at other stuff has automatically led others into thinking she MUST have examined his PM's. I'm pretty sure that logic is flawed.

We can suspect she did, but that's an altogether different thing, & I cannot remove her Modship on that basis.

A lot of ugly things have surfaced, but I've not seen a shred of evidence that she has improperly seen Kev's PM's.

To many, that issue - Kev's PM's - is a hypothetical one, but nonetheless valid. I think we, & certainly I, have enough real issues, extremely complex ones, to deal with, without the hypotheticals.

I have spent a lot of time grappling with the rights & wrongs of Jane's Modship. Because I have not commented so far (and there is a lot of stuff I have not commented upon), does not mean it is not exercising me greatly, just as everything else in this sorry mess taxes me. There are a whole range of imperfect solutions at my disposal. I'm trying to pick the least imperfect ones. Why would I do otherwise?

If any single one of you was in my spot, you'd find it incrediblly challenging to know what was the right thing to do.

In all honesty, though it's exercised my mind greatly, it has NOT been at the top of my list of things (related things) to sort out, & I'm struggling to understasnd why it is. If I resolved it tonight, to keep everyone quiet, would the whole matter blow away & be forgotten? I don't think so. Then it would be some other aspect of the tale. It would.

All I can say is this - I'll elevate it in my list of priorities, & give it deep & serious thought, straight away. But I'm not being bullied into anything.

Meanwhile, if anyone has evidence that Jane has abused the confidentiality of kev's PM's, send it to me please.

In the interim, I'm asking the Mods to remove any non-compliant Posts in the line of regular thread husbandry. Passions are high amongst interested parties, but if it's not kept civil, Posts will be removed, & the Thread may have to be locked, which I'd much rather not happen.

More shortly, on Jane's modship.

Sigh.  And round and round we go.  What started out as an apology to Tikay turns into a hunt for Jane's head, followed by more of the same from the ITB crew & co. - hounding and hunting anyone with an opinion that differs to theirs.  Which in turn forces a reply from me.

I can deal with the taunting and discreet threats being thrown my way.  I never expected any less from you.  Carry on Lads and enjoy while you can.  I'm a nutter.  Not a bit shy and enjoy going out just like everyone else and everyone knows that.  I've even been called 'one of the lads' as I'm not usually phased by the goings on around the place.  So do your worst while you can.  Because you won't bully me.  The people who know me will be capable of picking the truths from your lies.  Anyone who doesn't know me is free to ask and I'll answer any questions I can.

I'm more annoyed with the abuse being thrown in the direction of people who 'dare' to show any support on my behalf.  And it is happening all around us.  On a regular basis.  Publicly and privately.  Is that because you're afraid the 'untouchable' group might in fact have 'landed in it' this time?  

I have been asked to provide proof.  I have been made run through hoops to get that proof.  All the while those mates try to close ranks in hopes of hiding the facts.  Luckily one piece of proof is an 'apology' from the person in question.  Amazing, I know.  All I can guess is they hoped I would drop it after that.  There is also his admission when questioned by the police.  You can spin it any way you like Paul, but this time at least one member of your ranks has messed with the wrong person...and admitted it.

When you're asked to provide proof before punishment for Jane is considered, instead of supplying it, attempts are made to cloud that one very simple request.  Provide proof.  It would be a crying shame if random accusations/assumptions were allowed fly against Jane just because you shouted loudest.

I am so very sorry the rest of you have been dragged through this yet again.  Believe me when I say, if I could wave a magic wand and make this all go away, I'd have it done long ago.  Of that you can be sure.  I'm not even entirely thrilled with this reply because it's from an angry heart.  Suppose it was abound to happen eventually.  Been sad long enough.  

Quick PS to my previous Post, before I continue.

Tighty has made it clear to me thast I, & I alone, have to make the decision.

I'm not entirely sure what he thinks I should do, as I have not asked, but I do know he sees it as wrong that Jane is accused of viewing Kev's PM's, when there appears to be no evidence to support such a claim.

More very shortly.

i completely understand you being upset at people saying things against you Dawn,what happened to you is unforgivable...however i have expresed the opinion that i think Jane be demodded and i am in no way part of that crew i have my own mind and have heaerd a great deal from both sides and am still of the same opinion about Jane.

me too little miss c

I know Fran and fair enough.  The people I was referring to know who they are.  Apologies if you or anyone else feels like you've been bunched into that camp as it wasn't my intention.    

Afraid my apology does not extend to you, but then I'm sure you knew that already.

with respect tikay, I don't think it's as black and white as that.  Presumptions have been made that Jane has read Kev's PMs with other members and you have said you'll consider evidence that can be provided showing that.  I think that's kind of a red herring though.  It's accepted as fact that Jane accessed  Kev's msn conversation logs.  Those will include private conversations between Kev and other blonde members.  The fact that those members decided to contact Kev on msn rather than via PM, for convenience perhaps, makes little difference from my viewpoint.

lol - i have never said a single word about you on these threads!

i also dont know the ITB crew as a group - i may know individuals!

my issues is with TIkays disgusting treatment of Kev (due to my values of friendship)  and Janes actions re snooping into Kevs personal files

i have no intention on commenting upon your situation (infact I think I have probably said in the past that its prety terrible)

but i dont need your apology - so dont worry

More on Jane.

I have no "personal" flag to fly for Jane, none at all. We tended to get a bit testy with each other on mod matters sometimes, we all do, but whenever we met, we got along perfectly OK. I have not seen her or spoken to her for at least 2 years, iirc.

Jane is currently absent from blonde, & apart from her PM, has not Posted in some time, or not that I recall.

About 10 days ago - give or take a few days - Jane wrote at length to me, & as far as I could tell by the context, it was circulated to many others, to give her line, & position, on what she did, & why. I have no idea who else it was sent to, but it seemed to be to people who understood the complexities of the matters, & had written to her. I had not contacted her at any stage.

It was a long & complex PM, & even her worst detractors would understand that she's in a tough spot, being spoken of in brutally dreadful terms. You may argue that she deserved it, but that's not the point. Two opposing factions have polarised into separate Teams, many of them unconnected with the people involved, & it's all-out war. ALL parties must be feeling the pinch & fed up with it.

I replied to her PM at length, & immediately. In it, I voiced the difficult spot I was in as to her Modship. I did not suggest she resign, or not resign, I simply said it was a matter that would come to tax me greatly eventually.

I expected a prompt reply, but it never came. This puzzled me, it did not "fit", though I half-suspected she had turned blonde off, never to turn it on again.

I revisited her note, & found that the "you have responded to this" icon was NOT present. But I KNOW I wrote it, & unless I pressed a wrong button, I'm sure I sent it.

So I wrote to her again, asking if she had received my original reply.

She has not replied to either.

I checked again yesterday, because I know I have to deal with this sooner or later, & it turns out that I DID reply to her first note - I had saved the reply in my Outbox.

I'll therefore have to move on, & make my decisions on Jane as I, & I alone, see fit.

I'll do so as quick as I'm able, but I'm not being bullied or pushed into anything.

I know some of you are pretty mad with me over the whole thing - I have the PM's telling me so, & also the ones that say I am in an impossible spot, too, & I've replied, I think, to every single one, but it's not simple, doing the right thing.

And I'm not entirely sure how I ended up in the dock here, either. I may - may - have handled some of it wrongly, but jeez, it's complicated, & I was not involved until after the fact. Others may or may not have guilt - everyone seems to disagree who or what of course - but I know my nose is clean until after the fact. At which stage, yes, I may have handled things less than ideally. I'm not sure how, if that is correct, it should cloud the original matters. In fact, I know it should not.

There are only imperfect solutions.

I'll make my decision as soon as I can sort out in my head what's what. (24-48 hours, I hope). In the meantime, if, as previously requested, you have evidence that Jane abused her Mod powers by accessing Kev's PM's, send it to me.

I am supposed to be Online elsewhere from 7pm, so I'll be in "read only" mode for most of the evening, I'm afraid.

Fair comment Claire, though I added the rider that I may be wrong.

I've not spent as much time thinking about all this as many seem to have.

I understand your logic though.

Think Claw nails it. People probably aren't just annoyed that their PM's were being read just the fact that somebody that is in a position of trust on blonde could have read private information that were made by different methods of communication. If she unveilled some incriminating evidence then well done for bringing it to somebody's attention but if she suspected it was there contac the police , if not than going through somebody's converstations, txts or emails isn't the behaviour i would expect of a mod.
I know nobdy involved but Claw mentioned earlier that she had heard back something from one of her converstations getting back to her. Whether it was a conversation on blonde or not doesn't really matter. It's not asking for a hanging or even a banning people just don't think that's what a mod should be doing.

Have been given permission to post this from Kev...



Firstly, my PC was in mine and Janes bedroom, It was password protected and was only ever used by me apart from the odd time that Jane did something for me on it. It was not and never has been a "communal" PC. Jane had her PC downstairs which all the kids used, there were also 3 or 4 laptops in the house, no one, repeat NO ONE had access to my desktop !!

 secondly
 Jane knew about the Laxie vid less than 1 minute after I saw it, She didnt actually watch the vid because I had no copy of it, but she knew exactly what it contained as I told her everything. Jane was disgusted at what I told her, but obviously not disgusted enough to tell Laxie until she had a major beef with me.

Thirdly
 I have had many people talk to me about the video clip, they all seem to be of the impression that it is a feature film showing 2 people having sex while one is drugged ... the FACTS are that it was a 30 secondish clip of Laxie laying on her stomach on a bed stark naked and shieldsy touched her and then stuck 2 fingers up at the camera which he was holding himself. I did not even know it was Laxie,i was only made aware through msn,
as I said in the msn convo (which I am sure can be proved) . I did NOT know Laxie was in a drunken state and was unaware of what was happening, again the msn convo will bear this out.

I am pretty stressed out about all of this, people are coming on here saying whatever they want and I have to sit here and read it, truth is Laxie WAS the victim of a horrible breach of trust and that is a given fact which no one can deny, it is also a fact that I too have been a victim of malicious and vindictive actions by Jane. I have proof that she has deleted photographs, I have proof that she has deleted emails, I have proof that she was all over my computer like a rash on the 30th June.

 I know she read my PM's as she quoted some of them to me on the phone, but although the browser history showed this when I fired up the computer, I since went into my PM's before I was banned which changes the date and loses the fact that she looked at them on the 30th June
 I can provide screen shot evidence to show that the photos, and emails were looked at AND modified, I do not need to prove that she copied and deleted all of my chat logs as she has proved that for me. Unfortunately I cannot prove that she looked at my PM's but I know with 100% confidence that she did.

right there - thats all you need

"Probably" and "Could Have" - that is interesting...!!   

I have a car that is capable of doing 150mph...  People say, I "Could have" been speeding on the motorway.. Get the handcuffs out officer, guilty as accused..!!  The evidence is all there, my car is capable, so I MUST have done it..!!

Carl, we know for fact that Jane read Kev's msn conversations with other blonde members.  I don't think that's in dispute.

Without authorisation for access, both are criminal offences under the Computer Misuse Act 1990 punishable by up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine of up to 5,000.

That's it for tonight from me, I have to be elsewhere.

I will give long & hard consideration to the matter.

Within 48 hours I wll have come to a decision.

It will be.

1) Yes, remove Jane's modship.

2) No, I do not consider I should.

3) Given all the circumstances, suspend her Modship for the time being whilst I investigate all the rights & wrongs.

Whatever I decide - & I'll now seek the other Mods views, which I have not previously - I will have to convey my reasons to Jane.

Please debate it all you like, but if it gets out of hand, the thread will have to be closed. Nobody wants that.

There's some horrible underlying issues in this whole saga but tragedy throws out comedy:

Is a modship on Blonde so major that a mod will cling onto powers like Maggie going for a second ballot and that so much hand wringing needs to go on about removal of mod status. Also, "de-modding" as a new entry into the language - it's all pretty lol, ridic even.

Jane did a bad thing (like so many others in this sorry ass tale), but sincerely, I hope her life can move forward postively even if she loses mod status - gotta be a helluva body blow that - lol, handwringaments.

I guess it comes down to what constitutes 'authorisation'.  If Jane had, for example, an administrator account on the computer which Kev knew about, that would probably be regarded as authorisation to access the information on it under the act. 

Gets lollier

£5 on number 3 please

This is incredibly disappointing.

wp sir

I am seriously still sat here wondering why a number of people are still attacking the whistleblower and supporting the people who comitted the crime.  I guess the friendship is just too strong.  Its not enough to be caught for what they did, but, try lay the blame or reason onto someone else.  Never their own fault.  Whatever happend to having to take responsibility to your own actions.

Yeh used "probably" as i don't speak for everyone and "could have" as i don't have proof. Sounds like others do.

This is exactly what I cannot relate to. Laxie was sexually abused and people are worried that someone may have read their PMs?

It's not alleged - the guy admitted to it. (He was drunk.. the worse my exs did when drunk was piss the bed and I'd sure rather wake up in a puddle than with some fat twat filming me for all to see)

Certain people are going on about how it came to light and missing the main issues - something disgraceful happened here and PLENTY of Blonde members knew all about it and never said a word to the woman it happened to. Eventually someone had the decency to let her know and once she did find out, all the people who thought it was hysterical are suddenly all very busy shouting at Jane, Tikay, whoever, to avoid facing up to the fact they knew about a sexual assault and did nothing.

Turny for one seems to be really showing his true colours, calling Jane a bitch on here - sure would like you following me up a dark alley .

Every one of you who viewed that video should be ashamed of yourselves. People who were slightly more involved shouldn't even be here.

It's a police investigation now and unfortunately many sexual offences often don't get to court. If this should happen, you would all do well to remember the guy admitted to what he did, and admitted Laxie wasn't concious. If it doesn't get to court because of red tape, remember this. There's no alleged to it.

Pick your friends wisely and carefully. You've all been fooled once by Blatch, what makes you think this can't  happening again?

just incase there is any ambiguity

I have never seen this tape

i did not know it had happened

etc etc

i can fully understan why people defend Kev - because the way people are going on you would think he did it - and he has no ability to defend himself on here

Makes good sense to me.

I have read the threads but until now have refrained from posting as it’s none of my business and I only post now because as a forum member I believe I am able to post “my opinion”.

I can only make my conclusions from what I have read here. I think it’s fair to say that a sexual assault took place as it has been stated that the alleged offender HAS admitted this to the police. Irrespective of who the victim was NO woman deserves to be treated in this way and I hope that justice is seen to be done.

With regards to Kev again it’s now obvious that he made a mistake, how serious that mistake was is up to us as individuals to decide, it has since been rectified and as far as I can make out that matter is now closed, my concern would be Kev’s health issues and this has seemed to have been forgotten along the way, I don’t know all the exact dates but was Kev’s health an issue at the time the mistake was made? Who knows? As mental health issues come upon us without most people realising.

At the end of the day what I am trying to say is I wish Kev a full recovery and to be able to get his life on track again, and to Laxie I hope she gets to see justice done as imo these 2 people are good people who deserve better (but then what do I know?).

but that's not really the case is it (apart from what seems to be a small minority)?  Let's clear one thing up - there seem to be some assumptions that it is only from Jane having found information on kev's computer that the existence of the video and the alleged crime came to light.  That's not the case, and all involved are aware of that, so there's no actual 'whistleblowing' on that one.  With regard to the issue of Brendan's money, I agree once Jane had found that information (wherever she found it) reporting it was the correct thing to do, but as I understand it it wasn't actually reported to anyone in a position of authority or ability to sort the issue out (at least in the first instance) so again, was this really 'whistleblowing'?

The concern I have raised on this thread (and I can't speak for anyone else) is solely in relation to the actions taken that led to information coming to light. I have expressed the view that I think Jane should no longer continue as a moderator on the forum due to the fact that I believe she has breached the privacy of a number of members of blonde - it does not automatically follow - and is in fact very far from the truth - that I therefore 'support' the very bad things that other people have done here.  Again, the people that matter know that.

There is an old saying 'curiosity killed the cat'.  If you are going to do things like go through other people's private stuff you have to be prepared to face whatever the consequences of that are.

so was it the info on the PC that alerted laxie to the video?

sorry if this has been covered.  im confused.

video was first mentioned on this forum in about march wasn't it? pretty sure that predates the alleged hack

slightly out, just checked, april 12th

I first found out on April 10th and let it be known by my 'cryptic' post in that thread.

oh ok.

so why is everybody saying that it was ok for jane to search through kev's PC as she uncovered the crime?

obv i am not saying what happened isnt terrible, i havent seen the video, knew nothing about it but it seems lots of people are saying its ok to go through somebodies private PC as the result justifies the means etc...

because most people aren't aware of that thread in april I guess. it was pulled pretty quickly.

first that most heard of what happened was at the same time as they heard about what jane did so the usual 2+2=5 happened

here

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=47546.msg1162017#msg1162017

Soviet

It may not be the crime, but additional evidence maybe?

forgot about that thread. I was talking about the much less cryptic, now deleted, one 2 days later

that's why I thought it was worth pointing out, as a lot of people seem to be making that assumption and these distinct 'issues' (jane's actions, the issue over brendan's money, and the alleged assault) are getting lumped in together and the whole thing is getting muddy.  Just because the three issues are of differing levels of seriousness doesn't mean they shouldn't all be dealt with individually and appropriately imo.  The police are dealing with the alleged assault, blonde have dealt with the money issue and tikay and the mods are now (presumably from tikay's earlier posts) discussing and considering the Jane issue.

not sure.  seems a bit far fetched to say jane hacked into somebodies PC to uncover facts about a crime that had already been reported to the police.

penny is starting to drop for some

lets hope everyone else catches up

This happened away from blonde and was not in her moderators capacity afaik.

Sandy

I must admit the fact that Jane knew of the video the day Kev saw it and did nothing about it at the time really surprises me.

It does suggest she was looking through the files for maliciious purposes.

I really don't know what to think now.

How many people saw this video/knew of its existence without saying anything?

They should all be ashamed of themselves.

correct.  in the same way kev's actions were not in his capacity as a moderator - doesn't mean they weren't blonde issues and shouldn't have been dealt with by blonde.  All the issues involve blondes other than Jane and Kev and, whatever capacity the actions were taken in, blonde members are understandably concerned.  No need to spell it all out again - Snoopy's excellent post several pages back sums it up perfectly. In any case, it's now being considered, which is pretty much what those that raised the matter earlier wanted to be assured of for now I would imagine.

 I don’t understand why you all believe that Jane did not know about your conversations with Kev anyway. When you are in a loving relationship, (that you expect is life long) you have no secrets. You share everything with your partner. It’s a natural function of the trust you share. I keep no secrets from my wife (baring Christmas and Birthday presents/ surprises). The nature of a relationship is that when you talk to one, you talk to both. So be wary who you tell deep dark secrets to. If you’re looking for a confidant I suggest a Priest or professional counsellor (of course, I can’t guarantee the counsellor won’t go home to their wife and say, “you won’t believe what one of my clients said today….”.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Kev, and would love to see him back posting on here, but the fact is he fucked up, and the guys in charge have decided that he be unable to participate in Blonde. Its their business, and seeing as there seem to be other, unseen forces putting Blonde’s reputation at risk; I am inclined to accept their descision.

When Laxie told me about what happened in November, I was completely shocked and appalled. I couldn’t believe this sort of thing happened. (Naïve, I know). What disgusted me most was that a number of blonde members, I consider to be decent individuals, knew about this video and made no effort to let Laxie know. We on Blonde pride ourselves on our great community spirit, and yet these individuals chose to leave Laxie on her own and exposed. Every single one of them should be ashamed. I sure , as decent individuals, they are.

This whole sorry episode is getting dragged up in thread after thread, can’t we just accept that its all being handled by those that need to handle it.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48940.msg1212233#msg1212233

It seems as if the video had little to do with Kev's ban. The money was in a blonde capacity.

Sandy

Sigh... I deleted my post as it's pure speculation. It's been quoted twice after I deleted it.

Apologies. I don't know half of it. I suspect most don't, I will try to avoid posting on it.

Being unconscious might be a clue though

Sorry Tony but this does not cut it I'm afraid. Twice now you have said "you won't be bullied"

Unless I am very much mistaken you stated in your own roundabout way in the main thread that you felt you had no option but to post the thread you did as A N Other had pressed for it otherwise they would make it known, would that not be succumbing to bullying?

I have a fondness for all 3 members involved and indeed have been bitterly dissapointed by all that has happened. I absolutely agree that some action required to be taken in regards to demodding of Kev, fair enough, no-one can or probably will argue that but the total ban from the forum?

I've only made one previous comment on this subject and that was entirely related to the way this was broken to the forum and that 1 person was demodded and banned for not carrying out their CARDROOM duties whilst another who showed untrustworthiness had no action taken.


Geo

I'm really rather uncomfortable with all the speculation on the thread about what might or might not have been in the video/been construed by those that saw the video.  Dawn is an active member of blonde and I'm sure she doesn't want to be constantly reminded of it in this way - can we just leave all this stuff off the thread and leave the police to deal with it please?

FINALLY!!!  Thank you Claire! 

I know most are trying to help, but seriously folks...it's gone a bit much for me tonight.  If ye wouldn't mind leaving me out if it for now, I'd really appreciate it.

wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

uncle tonys flowery words and BS starting to fall down around him

itll continue till he realises that fairness and friendship are not words he understands

Apologies. As I said earlier I won't be posting on this any further, I know nothing about it and have no right to post on it.

Yer grand.  I understand people would like to have the facts straight and all will be very clear once this whole ordeal is over.  There are SO MANY things I've wanted to say since Kev's post and subsequent replies, but obviously I have to keep zipped on the forum at the minute. 

It's for that reason and that reason alone that I ask ye to please keep me out of it for now.  Because while everyone else can say what they like, I'm forced to keep quiet.  And it's not been easy, I can tell you that much for sure.

i have told tony to his face what i think - he knows how i feel about it

I stand by everything i have said on the subject - and most of the harsh stuff has been private

But what would you have done?

It depends on which bit u are talking about

1. Let kev resign
2. Not get blackmailed
3. Never betrayed a friend, and still call him friend
4. Kept it off the forums as best I could (although this could have been tough)
5. Dealt with most of it in private
6. Not hide behind words like 'when it all comes out'
7. I'd have apologised to keV for hanging him out to dry, not kept skipping round it with flowery words

Anything else?

Keeping it off the forum would have been impossible imo.

Better to keep quiet and let someone put it on their blog?

Tikay has said himself that he probably didn't handle it well, but i have yet to hear a way it could be done that wouldn't end up with 3 threads of shite and loads of hate.

I'm pretty sure Kev and Laxie and anybody else involved don't need all this going on.

Laxie has posted she is sick of it and the first thing Kev said to me on MSN today was don't mention blonde...

Think it's time to let it die.

Totally agree with this, can't see how Jane can remain a mod after what she has done don't think its even a hard decision.

Just so I know, what in relation to blonde do you think I have done?

I keep hearing this and will be making a post later on the whole sorry ordeal, but this is really ticking me off. Forget hearsay, forget what you have heard through Chinese whispers, what do you think I have done that constitutes me not being a mod?

Remove what is a private matter between myself and Kev (hard after all the smokescreens have been put in place, granted) but honestly, show me what I personally have done against blonde. Please, it would be very enlightening.

I think people are probably referring to you hacking into somebody's PC, reading many personal messages (msn it seems) between Blondes Cardroom Manager and members of the forum without permission from the cardroom manager or the blonde forum members themselves.

How many of my conversations have you read?

Personally I think the fact that this is a supposed community and many members have stated they no longer trust you or want you around here should be enough to have your modship removed.

Tell us what happened Jane if all the hearsay is frustrating! You can probably clear this whole mess up.

Try being on the receiving end, it's no picnic. Post coming soon, it's getting rather long and needs to cover many things, some of which I can't speak about in great detail. 

Jane,

I don't want to comment on what's happened between you and Kev or your personal lives as that's not really anyone's business.

It's also not that you've 'done anything against blonde' as you put it. However, your actions in going through Kev's personal stuff put you in a position where people can't trust you as a moderator.

There are probably many people uninvolved with matters being discussed who are very unhappy that their private conversations with Kev have been seen by yourself.

I was trying to avoid posting, a right to reply is just that – a right, not a rule that must be obeyed , a lot of what is being talked about is none of anyone’s business, I have the right not to drag out dirty washing in public. However, as certain people do not want me to have this right, and instead seem to believe it is ok to tell half truths, innuendo and outright lies and make monumental jumps to conclusions, so, I have little choice left but to give some facts, I won’t go into everything, but the main points of contention.

 I will not be questioned repeatedly on what I write here now, many of you have come to your own conclusions without caring if your facts are straight, you believe want you want and will continue to do so, and I do not expect to change your mind. What I do expect is for people to read into this what you want, and let the people actually involved in it to move on.   

Kev states that I was accessed his computer to be malicious, why would I wait to ‘find’ something for so long? I had 3 months to do this if I wished, yet Kev tries to imply that I spent all of one day ‘hacking’ his computer. If hacking is pressing the power button, then I’m guilty.

I used the bedroom pc to do my coursework’s remote labs (which are pig to work on with Vista) Kev used the only XP machine and I would use this whenever I could get some decent time on it. I have screenshots showing me on an XP OS (used for the assignments, of course I have no proof that this is the machine in question) but somewhere in the bowels of the PC there will be proof. Mind you, it would seem that you don’t need proof around here lately to be judged. I did remove several pictures, I believe between 8 -12 off the computer in question, these consisted of pics taken on my birthday with the blondepoker.Ltd camera, they were of me and my children in London. These are not Kev’s pictures and IMO has little right to them, does anyone really think otherwise?

I have not deleted any emails from the PC, I could not and did not access them. I did not delete files off the computer, the nature of the files I am accused of deleting would actually benefit the impending criminal case. I would not open myself to all this to go and delete the very files that were needed, that would be more that ludicrous. If the files are no longer on the computer, I can only speculate to how they would not be there now…

No evidence can show me accessing Kev’s email account (hotmail), because I didn’t. I can say this with a 100% clear mind. In fact, I ask Kev to contact hotmail and ask for the records of what IP address accessed his account of the day I am accused of, I know, without doubt, that it will only show Kev’s own address. So please, contact hotmail and ask what IP addresses went into your email on that date, I could really use the proof to clear my name (and, I assume, the apology that would undoubtedly follow.)

Any other information that is stored on that machine is open for corruption, I cannot prove I didn’t access what I am accused of, and Kev cannot prove I did. Anyone, given a date and a list of 10 different websites can show they visited them all on the date you said – simply by changing the  date on the pc (the one in the corner on the bottom, go and try (but remember to change it back!) then look at the browser history). Kev knows this too, he had changed it by accident recently and it caused a few glitches, we noticed this side effect.….
 ‘The Video’ – Before I go into this area at all, I have to make it clear that I personally never gave this information to anyone other than Dawn. I never asked her to forward it, or implied that she do so. I gave Dawn a single piece of information and was then asked for further info surrounding what I had passed on. Dawn can confirm that I was extremely reluctant to pass on this extra information, and others can confirm that I had asked advice as what to do in the situation, I was even offered for someone to pass on the information for me so I could remain anonymous, I foolishly thought that it would be seen badly if I did such a thing….

Just to be clear, I did not inform Dawn of the existence of this video, I became aware of the list of people that had seen the video and was surprised to see Kev on list. I was aware that any extra information would be extremely beneficial to Dawn due to some problems that were arising, Kev seeing the video meant that he would have been sent the link, it would only come from a handful of people, I have no need or desire to read through a load of trash, I had a rough date and a few names, I looked no further (as a side note, I won’t apologise for getting that info off a computer that I used, from a connection I paid for. Given the same situation I would do it again in a heartbeat, anyone that says differently should be ashamed with themselves) Due to the nature of the ongoing investigation, myself and some others are restricted in what information can be placed in public at this time. There is a lot more to it that what you all realise, and as much as I would love to say exactly what is going on but my hands are very much tied.  Any recent suggestion that I had knowledge of the crime committed against Dawn before this discovery is grossly untrue. Just in case that isn’t clear, I was aware of something happening between Dawn and someone else, but I was not aware of the nature of what happened. Had I known earlier I would pass on the information as soon as I could, without question.

Brendan – This is quite simple and makes me quite bemused that anyone is trying to change it into anything it is not. When you spend a reasonable amount of time with someone, whoever it may be, you can tell when they are lying a mile off; they may as well have a neon sign over their head with a honking siren. Kev and the Brendan payment was exactly one of those times, I asked a simple question and was obviously lied to, and as it was Kev’s job to deal with these matters what could I do, ask for proof that he had paid? I couldn’t go behind his back, at the time we still had some resemblance of a relationship. Later, when the time came that I wasn’t in the awkward situation to ask the question, I asked it. I simply queried would it be possible to find out if the payment went to the family as I had a nagging doubt that something was wrong, I did speak to someone both within blonde and a third party.

Regarding my Modship, and ‘being protected’ by blonde, does anyone really believe that after going to the lengths that blonde have recently, that they would protect another a mod, seriously? I’m flattered by all you people that think my feminine ways are so powerful that I can control major shareholders that I haven’t seen for 2 years at least.

I don’t, obviously, see an issue with continuing to be a moderator. I have never given anyone within blonde any reason to doubt my integrity, and as the actions that took place a few weeks ago were, realistically, nothing to do with sensitive blonde information I am still of that view. People are trying to say that I have ‘hacked’ a pc, I have invaded Kev’s privacy, to those people I say = “oh please, get a reality check already” this was a PC in my bedroom that I had access to for goodness sake, and if you had been given the information that I had, then every one of you would have done exactly the same thing I did, and if you all can say hand on heart that you wouldn’t help then I wouldn’t want a part of a place that has those sorts of people. I don’t know Kev’s email account passwords; I don’t know his blonde account passwords, both things I have been falsely accused of accessing to make a smokescreen, allowing the peoples judgement to be clouded.

Again I need to state that I myself, never, ever made any of this public, the small part that I was involved in I insisted in confidentiality, and even then never mentioned Kev’s name or implied any wrongdoing. I asked a single question, gave one small piece of info to another that needed it, and had no other part in any more of it.

Kev has been the person that has come to conclusions and twisted what has happened, and passed on bits of false information which leads us to where we are today, does nobody else find it odd that it was only after I asked him to move his considerable amount of belongings that I was storing, for free, that it was HE that got nasty, he started posting BS all over the place. Kev admits I accessed the PC once, the day before it was being collected. Hardly the actions of someone trying to find dirt on a person, this is the same day that I spent packing all day carefully packing his stuff up, spent hours in the attic finding everything that belonged to Kev, running around getting boxes to pack his things up. If I was being such a bitch (which apparently I was, or am now, I can’t keep up) why would I do this? Kev has said many times before that he has thousands of PM’s, do you all think I had time to ‘hack’ into the computer (pushing the ‘on’ button is technical, I know) change passwords to gain access to the apparent info, read thousands of PM’s, and pack up a vans worth of stuff, all while doing the mum thing?!

It’s laughable, and the whole situation would be comical if some of you couldn’t see the wood through the trees, you are so caught up in my using a computer in my own bedroom that can’t see that everything else is designed to make others the wrongdoers. Kev many a time read my PM’s, we had many an argument about it, and he read my msn conversations so many times that 2 years ago I stopped using it altogether, it wasn’t worth the hassle. In the end I placed a lock on my computer that stopped him doing this, however, on the odd occasion that I would forget, he would admit that he couldn’t help himself and would read all my emails. So, don’t sit there pointing the finger at me please, Kev did exactly what he is accusing me of dozens of times. The difference is Hotmail can prove that I never accessed his email, but of course Kev doesn’t want to get that proof, does he.

Right, that about covers all that I am willing to drag up, I could go on for pages but what use would it be? you either believe a smokescreen or you believe the above. I won’t be answering scores of questions as quite frankly I, and others, have been put through the ringer enough over this situation, time to move on.

To finish I want you to remember that I could, have I felt the desire or need, been completely anonymous in this whole situation, possibly something that someone acting maliciously would do. However, as I had nothing to hide and was not guilty of anything, I did not do this…

tl;dr

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

Janes reply was always going to be Kevs lying im not,so no shocks there.The same as Kev says the same thing back.

Nevermind whose "side" you are on,for me the issue is if a mod is not trusted by a large portion of the forum then surely that mod should resign/or be de modded(lol at that word).IMO it is whats best for the forum,although i know it is not the view of most so ignore me if u must.

If Jane continues as a mod will it affect blonde members much? proberly not,but with the mood around here already sour from this maybe it will go a little way into calming some people down.Maybe not.
If she stays will the debate run and run,yes.Will some people question every future post she makes,yes.

There is no do denying this is a tough decision for Tikay and i hope he makes the right one whichever that is in his eyes.

The only victim in all this is Dawn and i think she should just be left out of it from now on,shes dealing with enough.

Correct Fran, it is my word against Kev's, I don't deny that.

However, what isn't in doubt is the reasons Kev was asked to leave, I won't and can't be held responsible for those actions. What you are basically saying is it's one person's word against another, but it's ok for one to possibly tell so many lies/half truths that it makes the integrity of the other in doubt.

That seem right to you, or fair?

I did nothing wrong, and those that have chosen to believe something without bothering to ask the other side (me) for information have been most vocal, yourself included. You have come to a conclusion with only knowing half a story, and made up your mind. Forgive me if I hope Tony doesn't listen to an obvious biased, made up mind.

Dawn should never have been brought into this in the beginning, but it made a nice smokescreen to hide behind. Remind me, who actually brought Dawn into this to start with? (no need to reply, i know the answer)

Anyway, as I said I'm not up for a debate, I was asked to post and I have.

Obv this has feck all to do with me. But Jane, with all the nonsense flying around here why do you even want to continue to be a mod? I think I would have sacked it off already tbh...........

I must admit to having no idea why you want to continue as a mod.

As either (a) There is a lot of people bad mouthing you unfairly on here and have clearly have lost trust in you. Why would you continue as a mod?

             (b) There is some truth in the accusations and it seems a clear resigining issue. Why would continue as a mod?

As often the truth lies somewhere in between imo and there is never going to be a full agreement on either side of the facts but it strikes me to be kind of irrelevant when your modship is being discussed. As you have lost the trust of the people who you are serving as a mod on blonde, rightly or wrongly.

oh there is no question in my made up mind that Tony will take no notice of me,but i have an opinion and ive expressed it.
good luck to you whatever the decision is.

I'm more of a part time mod lately, due to massive commitments elsewhere meaning I've had very little free before the last month.

However, it doesn't mean that I don't love a lot about blonde and put in a lot of time here because of that, we've been through many ups and downs over the years. But, why should I be forced out over something that I haven't done? Someone else is in the wrong and wanting to take as many people down with them, should I do nothing?

I cannot tolerate injustice, if I had done something wrong that would justify me walking away I would hold my hands up and walk, but why should I when I've done nothing wrong? Peoples perceptions are tainted by half truths and lies, they have the choice to believe what they want, I have the right to defend myself and not be forced out.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Shame Kev doesn't have that right...........

He does though doesn't he.  He posts messages through other people and we are told who they are from.  And they don't get deleted either.

I have to disagree with this point, and I hate disagreeing with Fran because I think she is great but......

In my opinion there are two victims here, Laxie and Brendans estate. Eventually they have been repaid, I doubt with any interest so a loss has been incurred there.

This matter, had it not been for Tightys way of dealing with it in house, should have been reported to the police imo, it is theft plain and simple. Whether Kev 'forgot' to transfer/pay the money or not is irrelevant, no real attempt to repay the money was made by him (apart from by his own admission that he made 1 phone call to Brendans son the week of the funeral as I recall?) and Kev decided not to provide proof that the money had remained where he said he put it untouched since then.

Why was he not keen ot prove his innocence and that it was a genuine mistake? Surely that would have helped his case to remain on Blonde (as he has said many times since then that this is where he wants to be and that being away from Blonde is very difficult for his recovery.) Well come on Kev, pull your finger out and provide the proof that may hep you.

I entirely expect the response to that to be 'I can't be bothered, those who know me know the real truth, it's too late to do anything about it now' or similar. In which case I will be disappointed, if Kev is telling the truth about where the money was all that time he should be keen to prove it surely?

Kev should be grateful that this was not reported to the police as theft imo, I don't think that type of pressure would have been at all helpful for his recovery.   

Not really as well as he would probably like to...........

Whats your angle on all of this MrShogun? You seem to be in the anti-kev camp. Which your more than entitled to be, but I'm not sure why.

He had negative information on him made public out of the blue and was banned before he had the chance to reply.    The whole thing should have remained private for  longer imo, there was no need for the witch hunt it's becoming.

I think that's the problem

I don't think there should be an anti-kev, or anti-jane camp, or any other derivation (apart from anti-Bainn)

It should just be a matter of what's right and wrong, shouldn't it?

He also has a blog that has been emphatically plugged by all his supporters where he can say what he wants.  It is what Kev has said that is causing a thread like this and also forcing Jane to reply with her defence.  So you cant really say he has not had a chance.

Sorry I disagree, without direct right of reply on here it just ain't the same.

pretty much got to there

thank god you put that in first so i didnt have to read the rest of the drivel

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party, and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime?

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime?

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in)

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line.

But whats right and wrong, and on what level is open to everyones interpretation of the facts.

Imo what Bainn and Jane did to hurt Kev is worse than what Kev did with the Brendan money

As soon as you can put a sentance like that together your going to divide the forum into teams.

People are saying Jane should be de-modded because she is accused of reading PM's once. There is no proof. If Kev does admit to reading lots of emails and nto having the will power to stop himself and that he read lots of msn convos I'm assuming that were with fellow blondes and once again he admits this surely that argument is out the window? And if it is there's no reason why she shouldn't be a mod? Not one person has said she is shit at her "mod" duties, so I think she should stay.

Wat?

what did Bainn do? i missed his deleted postings on the subject.

I apologise Tracey I had not thought about that and yes he was a victim too

I also think your great xxxxx

Tighty - ive translated your post - hope thats OK

Bainn was approached to speak to the Hartnett family about the payment. This was around the same time that I was spoken to by the same person about the possibility of a problem with the payment. Jane has referred to the Brendan issue in her long posts.

He did so. He then spoke to me to confirm that the family had not received the money. At that point his involvement stopped.

As it happens, I was unaware that Bainn had been contacted until after he had been so. I expressed the opinion at the time that it was unwise and complicated what was looking like a tough situation for me to deal with.

When this all came out, in previous locked threads, Bainn posted some comments that were completely out of order and were removed from the forum.

ok thanks...makes sense now..

I also think all this chatter is ridiculous but when I have a quiet morning at work there is nothing more fun than sticking my two pence in. Unfortuanately I dont look like this when I post  ;madasahatstand; i look like this  rotflmfao

At no point have I suggested it should have been handled privately, my suggestion was that the whole lot was posted immediately. I disagree with Kev being banned for a number of reasons. I am happy to try and think of the bigger picture but the only place I get to is people decided rather than protect a supposed friend they decided to protect something which in my view isnt worth a chocolate teapot in comparisson. You think if Matt worked for me doing the payroll say, and stole an deceased employees final paycheck I would hang him out to dry for it? No, like fuck would I. If I couldnt keep it private, I would sit down with him and work out the best way we could handle it so he could leave without having his life thrown into the gutter.

I may have joined in with the banter on the shrewd forum, but Im not ashamed of that, it may be a public forum, but I think you know what your going to get if you decide to log on there. What I type and say have no real reflection on the morals I live by and I will always  hold my head high.

Just like the conversations Kev is being accused of, I have those sort of conversations daily with all sorts of people. There is a clear advantage in life in being able to find a funny side to most things. Why would you ever want to be sad?

So there you go, I dont think it should have been private, but I dont think your hand should have been forced. I cant understand how you think the people who decided to force your hand were acting honourably?

Just to add to the above, I knew of nobody that had contact with the family still, Bainn and Harmony openly posted about still being in contact.

It's totally fine, you are perfectly entitled to your view. Heaven knows you've expressed it enough in the last few weeks for everyone to be clear what it is

I stand by my opinion and will defend my actions in a horrifically complicated situation for as long as they need defending.

right, so when Jane uncovered this information -  affecting blonde, she went straight to a 3rd party, who has nothign to do with blonde/the card room and told them, in order that he could spread shit!

now, I can ee nothing in the above, which would mean she wasnt a respected blonde member, ney even a mod, and she absolutely chose the best course of action with Blonde in the forefront of her mind!

*note to HR - P45 please

Wrong actually, read the post again and you will see that Bainn was involved after blonde was aware. There were crossed wires at the time that led him being involved, but he did not know before blonde.

lol - but tikay is a very close friend of the family he made that very clear, and you mod for him?

[  ] knew of nobody

sure makes your other posts believable

Bloody hell, I didn't Hopkin was capable of posting like this.

Very good post.

When has Tony mentioned since the funeral that he contacts Brendan's family? please point this out to me and I will admit I am in the wrong, it doesn't change the fact that blonde still knew before Bainn, I admit it was crossed wires that got him involved, but I fail to see how Bainn being involved, or anyone else for that matter, changes the facts.

like stu has very clearly pointed out - and i am of the same view

you dont hang friends out to dry

its clear in my mind that is what occurred - and im delighted i posted nice and early about Tikays post troubling me before all the shit kicked off - beccuase it shows 2 things:

1. im not using 20:20 hindsight
2. i was right about the intentions of that post prior to finding out why

you and moreso tikay can continue with your tinfoil defences "more will come out iin time/ you dont know everything". Well unfortunatley most of it is out there now, and those actions stilll disgust me.

"it aint easy having pals"

Guy, it's all well and good defending your friends when they are in trouble or in the shit.

Sometimes you have to accept that your friend has done something so bad that he doesn't deserve your loyalty any more.

Where that point is reached is different for different people.

Obviously Tighty and Tikay think what Kev did was so bad that he didn't deserve their loyalty any more.

You disagree obviously, but I think it is clear their actions were made with integrity and no ulterior motives.

Loyalty is admirable, blind loyalty is stupid.

Ffs come off it Jane with the Bainn stuff. Your reasoning doesn't wash here.

You could have so easily contacted Tighty or Tikay and someone could have made contact with the family. Instead you chose to go to someone who you knew was such a vehement enemy of Kev's.

One quick post before I have to dash out for an afternoon of mum stuff (I'll be back later tonight to answer anything pressing)

I want to make it clear that I at no time realised that there was such bad feeling regarding Bainn, I've met him a few times years ago and had no real issues with him, I have only been told since this all came out about the history. This admittedly is a drawback of being away for a great deal of time with Uni, you miss sometimes important stuff.

It doesn't change the fact that Blonde was aware that there was a possible issue, all I had was a doubt, nothing more. After I mentioned these doubts I was told that if there was an issue that blonde would rectify it, but at this point we didn't even know if there was a problem. Brendans family would need to be contacted to find out if the money had been paid.

When I had the above conversation, Bainn hadn't even enter my head specifically, I suppose I had thought it would be dealt with from thereby blonde but again it wasn't discussed in an in-depth way. I mentioned my doubts, I was told that if there was any grounding to them blonde would deal with it. Bainn was asked to contact the family to find out if they had received the funds - he was the only person I could think of. From this point on I had no more involvement, to suggest that I acted in a malicious way was is ludicrous,  as at this point I had no idea if the funds had been sent or not!

camel

I appreciate what you say, but it is not blind loyalty.

This could easily of been handled behind closed doors, and they would have been respected for that.

To claim that there was no blackmail/giving into positions is just wrong.

Tikay admits to being angry (understandable), but then he thererfore posted with anger - his intentions being clear to inflict as much pain back as he could.

Tony spoke to me on Sunday, and I could still see that resentment that he holds. He will never admit that it was done with spite and malice, but like i say, I see this everyday in my job. "Wordsmiths" who say other things other than the exact words that are written. If im not mistaken Tony even worked in construction which could even make him an expert in the field of "saying 2 things".

Thats not what the post says is it? It says Tighty was unaware until after he had been contacted, it doesnt imply when Bainn new at all.

In fact if we look back at the story its pretty obvious this is not the case.

Tighty and Tikay's 'handling' problems were caused by the fact that you had bought Bainn upto speed before them.

[  ] another credible post

I dare say that there are plenty of members of this "supposed community" that no longer like,trust or want around the place all the spineless,creepy little priks that watched the video of a fellow member of their community being sexually assaulted but sit back and said nothing either.

Do you advocate all of them hitting the road as well or is it just the matter of modship you have a problem with? They are fine remaining as active members of the "community" as long as they're not moderators?

So if you had only met Bainn years ago how did you know he was still in contact with the family?

My memory is hazy on this but one time when myself and Kev (I can't remember if any others were around) were chatting at DTD about how Bainn was acting over the Blonde bash it seemed pretty clear to me that Kev didn't like the guy and told me that you and he both thought he acted like an *insert word here* over the BB stuff. I can't imagine that living with him, you'd have not known Kev didn't like Bainn and vice versa.

Kev has also made several posts, along with mods like Ironside who have made very public their dislike of Bainn.

This is why I'm finding it very hard to believe that you did what you did out of morality and not simply to destroy Kev, at a time when he was at his lowest.

I just don't understand why you couldn't have gone to Tighty or Tikay.

The first bolded part is really interesting,how far do you take that? If you personally had seen the video(you state you have not) would the bolded have been your moral standpoint on the matter as well?

Onto the second bolded part about certain actions disgusting you...

Do the actions of your mates who watched the video and said nothing not disgust you? You are not shy about repeatedly voicing your opinion but you have remained very quiet on this part of the subject,surely a man who claims to have such high morals as yourself would be quite vocal about scummy acts like this?

How about your own actions in the original thread a week or two ago? IIRC someone came along quite early in the thread making a tasteless joke asking if anybody wanted some cheap carrots,cucumber,bananas(or some things of that nature,maybe I have the exact objects wrong) to which you simply replied and I quote "LOL"

Does that not disgust you either?

Firstly - you say my mates - like i knew all this was happening. I can 100% confirm I knew nothing of this AT ALL until laxie outed it!

The main problem i have with the video - is did people know exactly what they were watching? ie an allegded sexual assault? I truely dont believe that they did. Yes I think its pretty bad, but it is made much worse in retrospect.

Not having seen it, its difficult to comment. I imagine if i had seen it - i would have done nothing. HOWEVER - if i has seen it in full knowledge of what is was, i would have gone mental, and told the person that showed it to me. However, my understanding is that this was already in the hands of the Crown, and therefore im not sure what outing Kev as someone who saw it would do. I would love to see a "show of hands" from all those who ACTUALLY saw it, and you can ask what they did about it.

As for Carrots and Bananas. I can 100% say that I laugh at most jokes, whether they be crude, satire, racists, bonkers, whatever. That is because they are intended as jokes. Yes of course they may offend some people, i just try not to be those people. I laugh at fat jokes, and im fat. I have no problem with being the guy who laughs at a joke, if it was told and intended as a joke.

anything else?

For the record (I have had to delete a few posts where people flame each ohter), the vegetables stuff (marv) does NOT refer to Laxie!

Jane, a few points for when you are back.

It's still not clear to me from your posts what prompted you to look for information on Kev's computer - can you clarify this? You've said that the stuff about Brendan's money was a 'niggling doubt', and I can kind of understand why you wanted to look for evidence first before taking it further.  Did you get hold of information relating to that at the same time as you copied the chat logs, or did you just decide to look for it while you were there?

It's a real stretch for me to accept that someone who was a moderator on the forum, with a facebook account and living with Kev was completely oblivious to all the stuff relating to Bainn over the past year or so.  I'll try to make that stretch and accept that at face value.  Even so, why did you not just raise your concerns with tighty and tikay and let them deal with it rather than continuing to involve yourself by contacting Bainn direct? If you thought Rich and Tikay might not have the means to contact Brendan's family (which again, is a bit of a stretch), why not just suggest to them that Bainn might be able to help them get hold of Brendan's family in case they hadn't worked it out for themselves?  Reading between the lines, the reason given for the matter having to be dealt with in such a public manner by blonde was because if it hadn't been it would have come out pubically via Bainn. 

Like others have said, I am frankly amazed given everything that has gone on in the last few weeks, the feeling among members, the fact that some of your own moderating team have expressed concerns about your continuing in the role and the fact that you have hardly spent any time here in the last couple of years in any case that you are so dead set as continuing to act as a moderator here.  I understand that it is probably a matter of principle now as you don't believe you have done anything worthy of having your modship removed, but personally I think it's a shame that you've not taken the decision to bow out gracefully in the circumstances, rather leaving a very difficult decision to be made by Tikay with input from the other moderators, the aftermath of which will be a negative effect on blonde, whatever the outcome imo.

tighty - given he was off line - can you sure the idiot who posted is fully aware of the veggies

many thanks

pretty sure it's a fruit actually

I missed most of this. Why was Jane trying to hack Kev's PC with a courgette, wtf?

er, Yes

Innocent confusion on this poster's behalf but he shouldn't call you names. Hence the deletions.

Yes, i think Guy desrves an apology from the aforementioned person.

innocent confusion

im with booder on the apology im afraid

I think the laugh kind of made up for it, was like playing Cluedo with a really stoned person

I have apologised to outragous via pm for the mix-up,and for that only.

I naturally assumed the 2 were related seeing as they popped up at the same time,in the same thread and I wasn't corrected when first mentioning it.

Last word on it from me as I don't want to get dragged into it fully.

I think everyone needs to take a step back and look at everything objectively.

A family have gone a remarkable amount of time without receiving the funds of their deceased loved one,a woman has been sexually assaulted and yet the majority on here just keep banging on page after page about whether a moderator should be relived of her almost non-existent duties(i've only seen/heard from her on here a handfull of times since I joined)

I mean seriously?

it's a separate issue, but related to the other, awful, stuff that happened.  Just because it is the lesser evil of the three intertwined matters doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.  And just because people aren't 'banging on' about the other things doesn't mean we condone them, just they have been dealt with/are being dealt with separately.

Everyone on here is welcome to conduct themselves 100% as they wish away from the forum? Would you not agree.

Where as Jane has used the blonde forum as a weapon, which I feel should not be allowed.

P.s. Are you assuming I am close to the group you refer to as 'spineless, creepy little priks' ?

1. Not quite,I would hope any forum would ban members who are convicted of crimes of a certain nature.Ae you saying you would be ok with murderers,paedophiles,etc posting as members because their crimes would have been committed away from the forum?

2. I'm not sure she has has she? On the face of things she has been the least vocal of anybody throughout everything.It is one word against the other as to whether she abused her position on blonde or did any of the things on the pc she is being accused of but the other party seems unwilling to provide any proof of thse accusations,proof which as stated would be readily available.This party has also thrown their own credibilty into serious doubt after the money "mix-up",which again has not been proven to be a mix-up at all by showing the money rested in his Full Tilt account all the time,as well as some slightly convenient haziness in remembering dates after the original story did not add up.

3. No I am not.

Don't see the logic in informing Tighty about the payment issue, being told it will be sorted by Blonde but then informing somebody else.
Other than that it's one person's word against another over the accessing of private files but i'd still question whether the Mod position should be kept for bringing the place into disrepute.

Thanks everyone.....think I got it now  ;ifm; ;D

1. I agree with your point. However I couldnt put these people in the same category as those people.

2. I'm not interested in the PM bit. It seems we will never know if she looked or not. I am 100% convinced that her motive was to out him on here and seperate him from something that meant the world to him. I realise other people may not see it that way, but for me it is a definate.

3. Just wanted to check. ;) I havent seen it, and defaintely wouldnt want to.  

There are people posting questions for Jane who are not involved in any other way (Stu being one) - apart from having questions regarding Jane's position on blonde.  I know this isn't easy for anyone, so gently does it with assumptions.  Whatever about anything else, I definitely don't want fingers pointing in the wrong directions. 

And with that, I'm off to do some housework.  As ye were.

Jane why did it take so long to air your side of the story, the silence didn't help matters.
A lot of people are concerned with data security, as an administrator (mod) of a network (forum) you are in a privileged position and should be seen as completely honest/trustworthy and someone who hacks into someone else's PC to access someones personal files doesn't come across in that manner.

I've no axe to grind with you, Ive only met yourself and Kev a couple of times in person and really liked you both.
However it just comes across as you being vindictive and trying to get some dirt on your ex to hurt him and then passing it to a well known enemy of his, all this despite it being well known that he is at his lowest ebb, left homeless with very little after your split and very poorly mentally.
This could have been dealt with so much better internally, Kev could have got a ban and been allowed to get himself better again and non of us here on blonde needed to know. But my getting Bainn involved yourself ensured it wasn't going to be kept in house.

LOL, wasn't going to get involved but can't help myself!......I think people are entitled to know that someone with access to accounts has transferred a dead man's money to his own account  :o

1. I know,thse were obviously extreme examples but I would still want anybody who was part of the same group as me to act in a certain way,otherwise I wouldn't like being associated with them in any way,shape or for(u)m. ;)

2. Well it has yet to be proven the money mix-up was genuine,and in this case it is different from the norm imo where the length of time passed means innocence needs to be proven rather than innocent until proven guilty,so perhaps he did indeed do something which deserved to be outed.

not another 20 pages i've got to read, ffs.

from reading the last few posts i agree that some people who failed to act on something they saw which was clearly horrific deserve more recriminations than they have received. Greeksteins 'didnt know what to do and thought it best forgotten' post in the previous thread was just a joke, should be ashamed.

I almost dont want to post on this stuff since it looks like such a car crash - so many lies and disingenuous posts from all corners. But apparently being out in the open with everything is the best course so feel I'm kinda invited to meddle in a deeply personal tragi-comedy so I too can take a moral high ground.

I only have a couple of questions from a purely academic perspective since it makes no difference to my life:

Why do the blonde leadership want to keep Jane in her role when she so clearly did not trust them to resolve the issue of Brendan's monaaay - bizarro !! I mean how long did Tighty and Tikay have to act on the issue before going to B***n ? In business it is common for whistleblowers to have to go to trusted 3rd parties, but that's generally because there is no faith in local management to actually deal with the issue in a timely or competent way.

Which veggies were used, by whom and on who ? Lets have this out in the open in case it emerges later to harm innocent parties.

Some questions for you Jane as I try to understand the situation. I realise there's a few here so if you could answer beneath each one rather than in a long reply that would be great. Thanks in advance.

1) are you denying that Kev told you about the video?

2) are you certain that you informed Tikay/Tighty of the concerns about the Brendan issue BEFORE talking to bainn?

3) Why have you deleted your posts from Kev's birthday thread 29th Dec?

4)  Are you saying that you only deleted photographs from 1 folder?

5)  are you saying you never looked at his facebook messages or emails?

6) Are you sure you didn't access Kev's blonde account on 30th June 2010?

All this to try and get Jane demodded. Pretty com

yeh, lol.......... I must have missed the bit where she was either holding the camera, or off down to the shops with the $600.

I'm not in the camp that wants a demodding or beheading - too much delicious schadenfreude at the expense of those feeling that same emotion a few weeks back.

LOL Nick, never expected summit so funny from the quietest bloke on blonde. WP.

warming up for my LAG image tomorrow ;)

Only thing I have to say is

BAINN SHOULD BE BANNED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GINGER SHOULD BE DEMODDED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KEV SHOULD BE PERMA BANNED

Christ Monda, you been taking posting lessons from Sofa King?

LOL

insult to Sofa imo.

Good to see Ginger came back to address those issues!

Maybe she has misplaced her spade

Definitely  

BTW I don't think Kev should actually be banned,I'm not much cop with those arrows but my point was I think it's unfair and not right that Kev should be banned but Bainn sticks around and Ginger stays as mod.Yes Kev has done something wrong but we all make mistakes and imo for what he has giving to Blonde he should be giving a second chance.I think Bainn is a nasty evil human being and should have been banned before this all even started,I have never had any thoughts positive or negative about Jane as I guess we generally post on different parts of the forum and I've never met her at a bash,I dont wish to speculate on who's done what but for Jane's involvment in this alone I think it would be best if she wasn't a mod.

1) If I left my stuff at a bitter ex's house I would expect her to root through it like a pig sniffing for truffles.

2) I like the added touch of Bainn as the evil pantomine character and if he posts on this thread I will boo out loud.

lolololol. Mantis goes away for a couple of days and comes back in top form.

Agreed, deffo added value with the panto stuff. By the way, it's pantomime, hope you dont punch my lights out for mentioning this

Watch out Mantis, heeeeeeeeeeeeees behiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooou!!!

Oh no he's not

Only took 16 minutes to get there. Sigh.

Still at least it's more fluent than the blondenders thread!

As I said ealier, I'm not going to be drawn into a long debate but I will clear up a few points here that I though were obvious but maybe I was wrong. After this I won't be dragging this on, we all know its a he said/she said issue and mostly it's a private matter that Kev has turned into a public slanging match after I asked him to remove his stuff, this supposedly implies that I am being bitter, after 3 months free storage I feel I'm entitled to ask him to find an alternative arrangement.



That's all I want to clarify for now, I never wanted to post on this matter to start with as it was mainly a private matter that has been changed into something else. Several people asking for repetitive info is not going to change what happened, or my reply.

Oh, thank you to all of you that have sent positive messages through, I don't expect you to post publicly with the hostile feel of these threads, but the thoughts are comforting nevertheless xx

[  ] clarified

[ x ] more holes than a cullinder

Jane, can you just answer the one question which really is key.

Did you know about the video from the day Kev saw it or not?

I keep reading these threads and struggle to understand why anyone wants to demod Jane and what it would achieve apart from making those taking Kevs side feel good about it (or is that all there is to it?).
;carlocitrone;

I haven't sent a pm to Jane positive or otherwise, but some of you are bullying her and should know better.

Jane I asked some pretty important questions that were integral to your posts and the matters being discussed.

Please answer them

Maybe it's just me but why would anyone answer those questions when you will only accept the answers that suit you ?

Sandy

Yeah prob just you

Start finishing your drinks please ladies and gentlemen.

Not too bothered about Jane modding or not, so long as she abstains from any 'shall we unban Kev' discussion/votes and subsequent similar decisions (assuming Tikay and Tightend eventually allow the mods to have a say in such forum matters) as obv there's a conflict of interest there.

So long as there's an assurance this will happen, I'm prepared to put down guns on the Jane continuing as a mod issue.

lol

[  ] joke

[ x ] out

Trying to offer a reasonable suggestion that may help to quench flames and you reply with an incendiary response.

What are you looking for from this thread now vinni? What's a win for you?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,

Is it me or am I missing something?

Being a 'MOD' on Blondepoker...WGAF? It's not of any relevance in the real world or even in 'My own little world' where one of the saddos lives in!

OOOO, she might have looked at my PM's..LOL, unreal....sad fuckers.

AND, compared to childish giggling about his mates sexual abuse video and nicking 'looking after' a dead guys money, the modding stuff pales into insignificance.

Tikay, just one question - Why don't you just walk away, you seem like a very nice chap that is well thought of and has plenty of proper friends, do you really need to be involved with the excuseniks that sometimes make this place a laughing stock?

Apologies tankard, it wasn't intended as an incendiary response. But i did lol.

Whats a win for me? Well, thats not really relevant to be honest. In fact as you asked i couldn't give a shite what happens. I have gave my views to Tikay as he requested but whatever he decides then he decides But to come on and seriously start negotiations and bartering made lol. Hence my reply.

I have been on blonde for 5 years or the like, i am a mod. If i got banned and lost my modship would i care? Would i fk. I like blonde, i like being on blonde. But it is not life or death the way its being treated and discussed. It's time people started realising that.

Someone tell this ***** to fuck off pls

I actually quite like you normally on here but point 2) is ridonkulous. That man is no pantomine character.

+10000000000000 to that

Enough now ladies.

Thanks.

Yeah you're prob right. Too scary for the kids. More of a Black Wizard type really.

does anyone know who this guy is?

his posts are redic anooying

Why is Bainn so disliked by so many, have i missed a thread about the bearded fellow?

I have read and reread Jane's posts on this thread, and as far as I can see she has provided answers regarding accessing accounts, PMs etc.

her only mistake seems to be that she made a misjudgment in who she asked to contact Brendan's family.

Yes, I am choosing to believe her.

Can someone please give me a good reason why she should be forcibly de-modded

Hes been a bit of a knob to a number of members. Accused certain members of collusion AT A BLONDE BASH!!!!lol

real point is why hasn't CRIPPIN been banned yet? Filthy little troll

I have spoke to CRIPPIN. Asked him to stop posting in the manner he has been.

+1

Thread locked for the night.