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I've never been able to win money on Stars.

Yesterday, I checked my account and was surprised to find that I had $160 in it. I was about to panic withdraw when curiosity got the better of me, were the games really softer sans Yanks?

In a fit of degeneracy I opened two full ring $1/2 tables, (Would the kidz call them $100 NL tables?) and sat with $80 on each.

I played 750 hands, and I now have $334.24

Was it luck, or does it qualify as crushing?

Do you think it means the games are easier?

I have a little time to spare today, so should I continue the experiment or snap withdraw?     

 

SPIN FOR THE WINNNNNNNN

$10 rush on demand tourneys on tilt imo, very very soft since friday Tom.

you cant play rush on pokerstars

edited  :D

I sort of fell out with Tilt a while back. Besides, I'm not really one of natures rushers, me brains don't work fast enough.

Prefer the trots to the runs?

not hard to fall out with em. money management dictates you should put $160 into the pension play the rest and hope ability still prevails over varience

Current Stars roll $400.99

I'm running good crushing.......

I'll tell you what I've noticed. If I get disco'd from Stars, when I reconnect, I'm sat out and I don't have an "I'm back" button.

Anyone else noticed this?

Epic

giq sir....before some kids come bum hunting lol

Have you seen my Hendon Mob profile?

lovely soft 100 freezout at 2pm red

means jack all.....your vpip is a joke ;)

See now one time I would have pretended to know what vpip is Jase, but not any more  ;carlocitrone;

Enlighten me anyone?

What's vpip when it's at home?

Is this your new diary?

I am afraid you aren't too cool for school.

These tables would be NL200 tables, as the max buyin for them tradationally was $200. It comes from the golden days on party poker, when tables would actually be called NL25,NL50, NL100 etc instead of the size of the blinds.

VPIP= Voluntary put in pot %.

It means how many times you put money in the pot preflop excluding checking your bb as that is not voluntary.

This is expressed as a % and is tracked by software like poker tracker and holdem manager. Just tells how tight or loose a person is preflop.

Haha! Not really Vin. I don't usually write about poker, mainly because when I do, it's not long before I say something daft and embarrass myself.

have you triple range merged at all yet? Tikay must have taught you that one..

Er actually, I'm playing $.50/1 tables. I typed it wrong before...   ;ashamed;

ARRGHH!!! I wanted to use that phrase in a joke but I couldn't remember it.

Does that basically mean I don't raise enough or see enough flops?

This is from my current session

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 153 hands and saw flop:
 - 3 out of 19 times while in big blind (15%)
 - 6 out of 21 times while in small blind (28%)
 - 24 out of 113 times in other positions (21%)
 - a total of 33 out of 153 (21%)

Don't know what that means though. (Although I am a bit in front)

Had a decent session last night and going all right in this one.

Already I'm thinking, Wow.... maybe I could do this for a living....

 :D That's how the young dreamers get sucked in

Well, you're still young, have no family commitments, and $3K will be more than enough to give you a roll that can accommodate the downswings and variance.

Do you play croquet?

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Harsh.


BTW- I'm looking at making a Frisbee type golf course at my place. (That is if the horse doesn't mind)

I was only joking about Alex - but that seems to be the advice he's getting on his thread, so I thought I'd post the same here.

You sure about playing frisbee with a horse?  Have you thought this idea through?

How far can you throw a frisbee?

I'm gonna get those halo type frisbees and use bamboo canes for targets. Then I'll practice in secret and hustle the bejaysus out of my visitors.

Further than the horse.

damm just spent 2 hours mowing the lawn doing old man stuff. missed out on the banter. had me going back to the vpip thing checking i had the letters in the right order. bloody dyslexia. what they dont know is we know what they know but just are not letting on we know what they know and when they know we know what they know we will all ready know that they know. lets keep one step ahead.

ALTHOUGH I AM A BIT AHEAD is the easiest figure to understand imo

Clarification required:

You can throw the frisbee further than the horse can throw it.

Or

You can't throw the horse as far as the frisbee.

Ta

I can throw the frisbee further than where the horse is.

But if you do that and shout at him/her to return it, you'll end up a little hoarse yourself.

Or a pony if you will

In which case playing frisbee with a horse is -ev Tom, as you will turn your 400 into 25!

Not sure which stat on HEM will show this thou

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I fretted for ages about my MEMophobia but the truth is, the thought of trying to use it makes my blood run cold.

So I've been playing two tables for 3.5 hours. It says I've played 450 hands. Does that sound right to you?

Yeh sounds about right. Roughly 60 hands per hour per table is what I'd expect

One of my tables broke.  (Everyone sat out at the same time, how does that happen?)

Decided to take a break. Current roll $441.19

See, can't cash out now, I'm hooked. Hope Stars doesn't grim me.

collusion imo tom....they all worked out you are not the fish your figures may have suggested

Played another ~ 300 hands last night. Up almost two buy ins in the first orbit when I flopped top set against the raiser twice in consecutive hands, but then then I lost it again to the table big stack when I called his raise with 10 Js, flopped top 2 v his aces but the board to paired up on the end to give him a $385 pot.

I'm mostly playing tight passive because peeps keep betting into me all the way down the streets with nothing. (Air?)

It's going scarily well atm. (Disaster report coming soon I'm sure).

Current roll $654.19


Q: Is a "Wet" board what I might call a "Draw heavy" board?

yep

OK cool.

I feel like Herbert O. Yardley.

With you getting the hang of all this lingo, you will be officially cool soon.  Imagine the conversations you'll be able to have with Alex Martin and Titibean.

Tit: $%&^£&^%$£^"^%$$&$%£^$%^$%W^$!!!!  ;grr;

Me:  :dontask:

rotflmfao

(as titibean would say)

Massive sigh, I've patiently been building up a roll on tilt over the last month or so. Got $200 into about 2.5k by most following proper BR rules apart from in the early stages. Had a bottle of wine last night and jumped on 2/4 PLO, GG 1.5k   :'(

Bit annoyed with myself tbh........

Ffs woodsey, I didn't see you to get any.

You got $200 up to 2.5k though. At the end of the day, that's pretty impressive.

Well if it was in my bank maybe, it's pretty meaniless otherwise. The moral of the story is if your prepared to play low enough there is some seriously easy money to be had.

Can I ask what stakes / games you were playing?

Don't forget, your hard work did get you a shot at the higher levels. You don't rely on poker to support yourself, and you might have binked a big score.

if you felt like Herbert K. Jason then you might wanna start panicing. enjoying this thread (mainly coz i can understand it and empathise [coz = because])

You're an idiot Jason. I'm laughing my tits off here.  rotflmfao rotflmfao

Started off on .5/.10 Rush PLO, grinded the shit out of that for a few weeks and with rake back etc got it up to just over a grand. The last couple of weeks I've been playing .10/.25 Rush PLO and $10 Rush tourneys and had it to a peak of nearly 2.5 k.

Did you enjoy it - will you do it again?

Nothing wrong with shot taking. You prob don't think twice if you run good and end up on $5k. As long as you didn't go broke and still have enough to grind back which you do, easily it's ok. Shot taking is good when you're running good.

I would agree with that with this caveat:

Shot-taking is okay with a certain %age of your roll as long as you have the ability/discipline to stop, as going busto taking shots at higher limits has been the ruin of many a poor boy who couldn't.

Semi autobiographical - lessons learned and all that Ralph?

For sure, if I'm watching telly I've often got a game of some description running in the background anyway. The plan was to get to 3.5k and then withdraw 3k for my august holiday and then start again from $500. I fully expected it to take a couple of months more actually, but I obv ran good and binked a bit in the rush tourneys to help.

This is the issue. If I'm playing after I've had a few there often isn't a stop button, I'd normally say $500 max or whatever for a shot and then stop, but after a bottle of wine I start chasing and gambling which is a recipe for disaster obv  >:(

I have a little list of people that I have met through poker that I admire. (In a strictly hetro, punch each other on the shoulder sort of way of course).

Woodsey is one such. More on this later.

I've often been able to build a big bankroll fairly quickly. In fact it took me about 4-8 weeks to build up an almost $30k roll after I got back from Vegas last year, when I had about $2k to start with at most. This was mostly due to a bit of grinding and a lot of good shot taking. I'd shot take in decent bigger games, usually win and quit if I did one buy in, max two. The roll increased loads until I shot took when tilted and didn't stop til I went broke.

Basically shot taking is very +EV if done properly.

I would also say that it is much better suited to the more technical game of PLO than HE.

"The Science of Shot Taking". There's a good article there somewhere.

When are you gonna write the one about me?

lol!

Wouldn't want to plagiarise....

I think that to put it in a nutshell:

Bankroll management > Triple range-merging

yup thats me lost again. so  pleased we are potty training the twins  because the wife thinks that the smell of pee is from them. pmsl

Horrible sesh. Played bad, ran bad.

So in keeping with my new cool image... Sick sick sick. DIAGF online pokerz.  ;grr;


Current roll $499.49

varience imo

mbn to only lose 1.5buyins in on of these....

I think I just had a swong.

Back up to $658.44

Hilarious!! - Keep up the good work RED DOG! - Are you planning to play any comps at all? - If so, what ones, Imo, get to 1k and shot take the million, sunday warm up, etc etc, win them and be a european millionairee! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

gl, dreenie

Loving this thread. Please don't put up any hand histories. Would hate to here how you are doing it all wrong.

I'm playing for half an hour this morning while I drink my tea and read the news.

First hand I get  Ac Ahrt in the cut off.

Seat 5 makes it $3, I back raise to $8. (It's my thread so I can say back raise) He calls.

Flop  Jd 7h 7s

He checks, I bet $12. He snap-calls. Already I'm thinking..... "Watch me get stacked here, surely he can't have Jacks.. Can he?"

The turn is the  Aspades and I'm thinking.....  Have Jacks, Oh God please have Jacks....

He checks, I check behind.

River  Td

He bets $22, I push, he calls.

He shows   Th Tc.  Ouch! Poor bugger.

Boom. Good fred red.

Have u established ur goal yet? Pretty good time to begin the cash grinds with no americans about

Interesting, on my recent spin I set myself a financial target to hit every week. Nothing too difficult but it focused my mind to make sure I got there.

At work I do this all the time, whilst I have a big overall goal I set myself little mini goals en-route to make the final end point not seem so far away. It makes everything seem a lot more achievable. I think this is a very good plan to have for poker and it holds back the temptation of going for the big shit or bust spin (unless I'm pissed  >:()

No Cos, I haven't got a goal as such. I suppose I would just like to be able to win at online cash.

I keep reading about how "Soft" this or that site is, or how you can "crush" the small games. Well I've never been able to win consistently playing online cash at any level.

So now, while I'm working and poker is just a hobby, I'm just enjoying trying to find a way to beat the game. I would be chuffed to bits if I could average a profit of $50 a day.

Fair play red. I defo think you can playing the style you are at the moment. Perfect timing to embark on something like this too with all the septics not in the games.

Obviously you can run bad enough that you'll go broke off the current stars bankroll, it doesn't for one minute mean you can't beat the game or aren't a winning player at that level.

Do you ever look at the location of your opponents when playing?

Lol, yes, always. (I like French Spanish & Russian).

I also look to see how many tables they're playing

The % of Russian player on full tilt is way, way higher now the ban has come in.

Do you imagine them standing in the turret of a T34 waving a Kalashnikov, or is that just me?

I have a stereotypical image of them being piss poor so I'm always wondering where they get the money from. This is obviously a very outdated view.

Three times today someone has raised, I've re raised with kings and been re re raised.

Each time I've been certain that they have aces, and each time I've pushed and been proved right. (Not as bad as it sounds because I spiked a king on one of them)

But, in these situations, can I ever seriously consider passing kings pre online?


Current roll $572.59

NO NEVER FOLD KINGS PLS PLS PLS !!!

Has anyone seen Ukraine players on Stars ? 3 "Russians" @ an mtt table all said they were from Ukraine.  :dontask:

just as a matter of interest how many times in the past few days have you been re re raised (4 bet i think) with any thing other than AA. andrew makes a point that you never fold kings. the past year i have seen people willing to get all their chips in with AK saying they never fold this either. not that i am saying andrew is wrong but i know 100% if you know live that villan has AA you will lay down some (if not all) of the time. you then dont shrugg your sholders blaming cooler, you are more likely to bite your bottom lip and think you played it bad coz you did not go with the read/imformation you had. I NEVER FOLD KINGS EITHER but for reasons of continuity and image obv say that of course i fold

The truth is I never fold em online, but I think a case could be made.

I did fold em pre in the 300 @ DTD a while back. Same scenario, he rasises, I re raise, he re re's.

I just couldn't see this bloke doing that with AK or QQ in the first level so I passed my kings.

I lost 2k, but on the positive side, I was still in and I had 8 k left.

I think you can in full ring vs an ep raise from a v tight/nitty plyr, but you have to have a good sample with in particular evidence that they have called a non-steal 3 bet with qq/ak.

yes similar styles/positions. been thinking has this guy got aces really.  i dont think and hope not so lets go with the kings.  they roll over AK so you are happy and have to take it on the chin when they hit an ace....taking it on the chin right up to the point were they look at their mate and say pretty standard cooler. we both cant fold their. then i might have a mini explosion and offer him a lift home in  the boot of the car

Not that it make any difference, but I said "OK I pass, now I'll show you my kings if you show me your aces" and he showed me.

(I showed him my folded kings, but stole a few pots on the strength of it when the blinds were bigger)

I should have gone to bed because I'm working today, but I played a late sesh anyway, really volatile it was too. I couldn't get anyone to pass a flush draw, no matter how much I bet. Which is good when they miss, but a bugger when they hit. (Especially when I know they've hit, and still pay them off).

Tough gig. Very pleased to finish with $580.45

I'm playing 4 tables now btw, (Which impressed the crap out of my non poker playing friend).

what about to a re-re-re-re-re-raise?

That's what they call a triple back raise Alex, keep up. GLGLGL Tom.

Yeah Alex, do keep up.

The correct term is triple back raise, or, if you're feeling flamboyant, you could use the the slightly more hip phrase, "Let rip whit' 'lastic siders"

how bloody deep are you sitting. last count your poker/life roll was at £4k ;)

thanks for the public announcement jase. GFY!

last count your pissing your pants count was twice in 2days. Anything to add?

Alex 1  Jason 0

need a smiley with a bottom lip out. sulking off to find an easier target. sorry about outing the roll but thought it was common knowledge but then realised it was only 4 of us commenting on your diary. rofl

more like 46-45

hey reckon i've been banned from the pleno debate....just wanted to say alex that one minute you want him un banned then seem to not be backing him up. did i read it wrong?

nah u read it wrong. i said his swearing didnt help his case and that maybe he didnt want to be, or care about being unbanned. still fighting his corner though!

sigh...put rofl and expected to see a smiley rolling n laughing

Such Donks. Online poker is rigged!

Pull the lever someone ffs!!!

Down I go.   $470.39

Try 2/4!

If I was George2Loose, this would be a very long post.

$181.25

std!

its the stars roller coaster!

ul

Ul tom. Good post though, impressive that you don't feel the need to go into anymore detail.

Last night while I was asleep I think Stars removed all of the players that are worse than me, and replaced them with players that are better than me.

Grinding like cheap brake pads on a Mk IV Cortina.

Current SBR = $211.84

I hope Alex doesn't mind, but I've copied this to here from PHA so as not to spoil his thread.

The thing is, as far as I'm concerned, this post might just as well be in Swahili.

Can someone please translate it for me line by line? (I've tried babel fish and drawn a blank)

Once I understand the words, I might be able to start working on the concepts.





Villain is a pretty spewy reg, generally confined to preflop superlight 5b jams.

Call open is pretty high in the bb although doubtful KXs. River aggression factor 1.6/17% which i think is pretty important. wtsd 31%/won$sd 47. Views me as bluffy/spewy on occasion but mostly inline 100bb deep.

I checkback turn for some peculiar reason (honestly looking now i hate my line so much it hurts). thoughts?

Notes are below:-

doesnt believe a flop cr, bet and bomb on wet board multiway for value
avoid seat in blinds to his button/3bet his btn open a TONNe
5b jams small pps bvb
4b bluffs sb pre in blind wars
float him a lot srp
goes for cr on turn in 3b pots often
4b jams ATs mp v btn
c/c tpgk, stationy
the triple barrel is a hand, does barrel equity oop and giveup
peels any pair to 10:1 direct implied 3b.

alex martin is the greatest but dont worry not many of us understand him :)

I knew it.

I'm gonna do my own PHA post later. I'll include wind speed, medical references, Freemason chants and everything.

Then Girgy will come on and say, "U played it like a donk"  

please do a mockup alex martin one. has to include the phrases

backraise and/or re-re-raise
I wanted to see where I was at
i put him on AK
he bet so I reraised
fuck it

LMAO!!

Exactly what I had in mind.

FYP

Virtual trophy for the best Alex Martin mock up post. (Cambridge is winning atm)

Here's the bits I get:


Spewy is hard to define. Spews a lot? I guess a spew is when you bluff big when there is little chance it's going to work, or when you try and value bet too thin. A reg is someone who plays a lot at these stakes.

Traditionally when playing pre flop, you 3-bet your monster hands (AA, KK, QQ, AK). The trouble with that is that if you 3-bet just these hands, anyone good knows what you've got and just folds. So people have started 3 betting some other hands too.

In response to that, people have started 4 betting some junk as well as their premiums back. What this note says is that this guy's favourite way of blowing a lot of chips is to 5-bet light.


Calls raises a lot in the big blind. Doesn't do it with King X suited much though.


Aggression factor is the ratio of bets or raises to calls. It's a favourite stat of Hold'em manager or PokerTracker. You can get it to split it up by street too- so this guy is betting on the river about 3 times for every 2 times he's calling. That's quite high (?). So you might infer that he's the sort to bluff missed hands on the river a lot, or the sort of player to try and check raise you off marginal hands.

* NB this paragraph might be complete bollocks, since I don't really know much about aggression factor.


31% of the time they saw the flop with a hand they went to showdown with it. They won 47% of hands they showed down.


If you check raise him on the flop, he thinks it's a bluff


You should play hands fast on wet boards against him (so reraise the flop, don't just call and hope he bets again).


Try and avoid sitting one or two to his left. If you are sitting one or two to his left when he has the button, 3 bet him a lot. (I presume that Alex means this guy raises about 100% of hands on the button).


as we said earlier, he likes to 5 bet light, with say small pocket pairs in blind vs blind confrontations.


And he 4 bets light too in blind vs blind confrontations (this is obvious implied by earlier notes).


srp ????


Check raises the turn in a pot where there has been a 3 bet before the flop.


More 4 betting light- he really doesn't believe 3 bets from the button.


Will call down top pair, good kicker- so play your bigger hands fast, and don't try and bluff him off top pair so much. A calling station.


Doesn't triple barrel bluff. Bluffs when has some equity out-of-position, but then gives up.


If you 3 bet him pre flop, he will always call with any pocket pair if the implied odds are 10:1 of the bet.

E.g. you're playing £0.50/£1, He has  2h 2c, he raises from middle position to £3, you three bet him to £9 from the button, he will always call and see the flop providing both your stack and his are £90 (10*9).

Wow Skippy. I'm impressed.

Need time to digest....

well its your fault for asking. its just given me indegestion. was loving this thread and then you go get all new age on me... off to find a doms / 5's n 3's site.

Alex once did a pha post where he described his image as scarlet pimpernel. Someone find that post?

Iirc I did a pretty good alex martin hand analysis about 2 years ago when I did a wsope report. Someone find it?

P.s happy easter red.

yeh thought about you wsope update when i read martin's post

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Tiger Blood Alert!!!!

Luton £150 chopped five ways at 2:30pm when the blinds became bigger than the average stack. (£1240 each and £800 for the shortie).

I had an accident in the first level and spent the next 10 hours on the respirator. If clinging to the wreckage was an Olympic event, I would be looking at at a podium finish in 2012.  

I was a great comp with a great atmo. (Especially my table cos I was on it).

Special thanks are due to my Rail. Namely Lucky McBink and Phil 'Snattiramas' Cooklin for shouting "Queen Queen Queen" when I was all in AQ v AK. (They almost got duffed up when it came on the river).

BTW- Lucky McBink shook my hand last night. We've shaken hands many times before, but until now, he's always been sitting down and me standing up. He looked confused doing it the other way around.






Anyway, that's the WINNING report over for another year.


Got to run around the field this morning to stave off the effects of fish & chips, lamb jalfrezi and half-price Easter eggs. Then its off to Barnsley to visit my old mam, and perhaps a few hours grinding Stars before going back to the Big W tomorrow.

SBR = $224.14


PS- had 2 disputes with Kendall, won one outright, free-rollin' on the other. Toasty!






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my new favourite thread.

Not far wrong.

It's got more levels than a skyscraper, absolutely superb.

BTW- Tone, I can't believe you said that about DingDell's hair.

She sent me a stroppy text minutes after you said it, "so, what is wrong with my hair, eh?".

The trouble with your levels is that everyone falls for them. You do more levels than Jason, and both of you seem to get them through. How that work?



 

I think the fact that you didn't gush and say I love your hair was proof enough! Red is just good at making you fess up!

The bad news: Running late cos Mrs Red not back from car boot sale.

The good news: having a little degen sesharooney on Stars. Flopped a set of sevens against the same blokes Jacks twice in consecutive hands.

He's pulling his hair out now poor bugger.

SBR = $306.14

young guns do not show pity, you've probably eaten his soul or sumfin.

Yeah! Feck him. I crushed him.

Donk.

Much better. You have to learn. All opponents are fish, tez, terrible, terra-bad, lol-bad, & utterly clueless, how else could we all crush the game?

Never say "poor bugger, he got unlucky", either, that's so wrong. He deserved it.

Do pay attention.

Yeah!

Besides, the bastard just felted me.

$188.42

varience?

No. They're all idiots.

$160.52

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there is just no pulling the wool over some guys eyes.

I triple-range merged you.

I think we have a lot on common Jase. Both brilliant, both modest.....

And if I'm honest, you have even more to be modest about than I do.

not at all  sir. you know how i feel about anyone been in the game for some time no matter if they play like a maniac or a rock they are still around. rather play bad poker and win than play winning poker and lose.

OK. I'm going to let you guys in on one of my on-line cash game winning strategies.


When you don't want your opponent to hit the card that will beat you, use the power of thought to influence the RNG. (This so often more effective if you vocalise your thoughts at the same time).

Example: "No club no club no club".

NB- For really big pots, its worth covering the middle of the screen with your hand and just waiting to see which way the chips go.

lol - that only works on fulltilt.  I can't see how you think you can beat online pokers when you don't know the basics.

lol whenever I make a big bluff I snap hide the table and wait for it to pop back up

lol, i do it because it stops me punching the screen.

Good to see you Tom and well done. I was pleased to see that queen on the river, but probably shouldn't have made it so obvious!

It wasn't just because your opponent in the hand had knocked me out earlier with  a bad beat on the river  >:(

He'd also been somewhat arrogant about his ability and he'd been guilty of very poor etiquette when sucking out on the river in a massive pot 3 tables out, so it seemed to represent some sort of "justice"

SBR down to $94.37

Cover me, I'm going in.......

spin up one time?

If I go below $50 I'm going to drop down a level.

I'd move up to where they respect your raises more!

Good man I love to see proper bankroll discipline implemented.

Hope you don't need to obviously. GL

Brutal session.

$78.04

Q: Do I now sit at one table with $80 or at two tables with $40?

I suppose two tables = less variance...

assuming you are playing .5/1 - you could short stack 4 tables and go for a spin

There's no such thing. Jason told me.

4 tables if I spin it up to $200

$63.79. Time to turn the risk dial all the way up to rumba.

am gonna rail - sn? GLGL!

I'm shy....    ;shame;

Where's Lucky McBink when I need him?

NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!


Busto!!!!!

Paid $5 to see a 3 way flop with Ad 8d Flopped a flush draw and everyone folds.


Next hand I back I back-rase a late position laggy raiser with pocket two's and he peels or floats me or something.

The flop comes 7 6 3 two spades. he bets 2/3 pot. I push he snaps with 33.

$%&$£^*%^%$^*%$%&!!  DIAGF Howard Lederer.  

The dream is over.....

so sick

What happened to patience, discipline, bankroll management and moving down the levels?

I know Ralph. I'm so ashamed of myself. I just had a rush of blood. I ran it up to almost $800 at one stage and I wanted to get it back quickly.

Damn!!

I still can't make money on Stars, even without the Americans.

Do you think it was variance, or am I just crap? I have to admit, I did start to play a bit lairy when my roll got big.

Should I deposit another $200 and have another bash? I have to admit, I did enjoy the last week or so.

UL Tom, a load of blondes should all start with $200 br, maybe on Skypoker  ;whistle; and see who can spin the most up in a week, side bets etc ftw.

Sigh - another one of the Blonde degens goes busto.

I'm not sure.

I've never managed to win at cash NLH online on a regular basis so I've not tried for years now.

You have been a winning NLH MTT player for as long as I've known you so why play anything else?

I haven't the time to play online tourneys on a regular basis at the moment Ralph, and I especially can't put in the volume to overcome MTT variance.

Plus, I like the freedom of cash. An hour here, an hour there....

Volume schmolume, I play seven MTT's per week on average.

redeposit! I love this thread

It's difficult to argue in the face of such eloquence.....

I don't mean to be trite but as a friend of mine said to me a few weeks ago about playing MTT's.

He treats them rather like an Xmas club and he knows that he will get his payoff eventually.

Personally if I increase my volume by multi-tabling (which many say is the accepted means of decreasing varience) it has a negative effect on my game so I tend to stick to my tortoise/snake in the grass modus operandi which seems to work for me although not on any grand scale.

Tom, if you're going to go back to MTTs I'd do so on Sky or one of the European networks rather than Stars or Tilt.

I know that you don't mean to be trite Ralph, and what's more I agree with you.

I just so so want to be able to crush, (or even lightly compress) online cash.

I'm sure I will when I'm not quite so busy Cos.

Is there any european site in particular that you'd recommend, Cos?

Lol nah I wasn't subtly spamming at all alex.

I just think field sizes are more manageable and softer on euro networks. I also think their structures suit Tom's style better too. Tourneys on ipoker, microgaming, ongame and riveredbrentwoodlalalandpoker networks all good for tom.

lol @ going busto on stars and posting DIAGF Lederer.

Your best post ever.

Haha, com.

It's just as beneficial as posting it when you go bust on Tilt isn't it?  :D

Well, yes, but it's a bit harsh on Howard, I mean, he gets enough DIAGF's over a site he can control, without getting it for a site he can't control.

Well fuck him....

And the horse he rode in on.

I think I've decided to allow myself £300, deposited in £100 lumps, to see if I can crush online cash.

I'm far too spewy lately. Gonna play the first hunno tight as a gnat's chuff.

Nevermind this poker malarky, get back to our walk.

Mond, I'm seriously scared that you will collapse and you're a bit porky. I won't be able to carry you.

Your like 40 years older than me, it'll be me carrying you, I'm seriously up for doing it, going to start a thread about it now so you can't back out. You can pick your own charity as well, I'll let you :)

I will do it, but don't want to get into a full blown sponsored charity thing Mond. Let's just lie in wait for old fish face and his mates and tag along behind them. That way we won't get lost and we can bung them a few quid to stop them getting shirty.

Right. Deposited my first oncer.

SBR = $165.13

See pm, gl with the cash.

rofl just seen this thread. glglglgl red!

My first ever hh (Just for practice, pliss ignore)

PokerStars Game #61356827474:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/04/26 20:35:17 ET
Table 'Klemola IV' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: RED D0G ($75.40 in chips)
Seat 2: francopintu ($164.95 in chips)
Seat 3: MattyM5 ($102.50 in chips)
Seat 4: artem0801 ($43.55 in chips)
Seat 5: AnhA6072 ($54 in chips)
Seat 6: R1aki ($114.60 in chips)
Seat 7: LickerGigolo ($60 in chips)
Seat 8: TakeCareAA ($104.30 in chips)
Seat 9: wladiw ($86.90 in chips)
francopintu: posts small blind $0.50
MattyM5: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RED D0G [8c 7s]
artem0801: folds
AnhA6072: folds
R1aki: folds
LickerGigolo: folds
TakeCareAA: folds
wladiw: folds
RED D0G: calls $1
francopintu: folds
MattyM5: checks
*** FLOP *** [7h Js Ac]
MattyM5: checks
RED D0G: checks
*** TURN *** [7h Js Ac] [2c]
MattyM5: checks
RED D0G: bets $2
MattyM5: folds
Uncalled bet ($2) returned to RED D0G
RED D0G collected $2.40 from pot
RED D0G: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.50 | Rake $0.10
Board [7h Js Ac 2c]
Seat 1: RED D0G (button) collected ($2.40)

SO SICK

I crushed him...

Tony will disown me btw...

Owned his soul red dawwwwggggg.

Think I'm ready to move up?

this thread is great tom, keep crushin them. Notice grandad has started updating his diary again now there's a new kid on the blog vying for first read every day

Cheers Jeff.

Tony only writes about trains, which is fine of course, but how can you get angry about trains?


SexyTanya on the other hand......


Therese this one player, "SexyTanya" who seems to be at every table, 24/7. How can anyone play that much?

She's totally doing my head in. We clash all the time. Every time I call her down, she has it. When I pass, she shows me air.

 ;grr; ;grr; ;grr; ;grr; ;technophobe;

I'm bet She's not even a woman, and I bet if if she is, she's not even sexy.

I know this question is in the Hoover, but how do you play AJ in early position?

Do I raise so that I can

A: Take it down uncontested or c bet a missed flop for another bite of the cherry if he calls.

B: Limp and think I'm behind to a raise from any player who's digestive system seems in good order?

Early position w/ AJos I'd probably fold.

you dont play AJo in FR utg or utg+1 (AJs prob ok) - there are some who think that Aqo should be mckd utg (if you used holdem manager, you would know who they are).

yawn. and asking about AJ..... i feel like i've lost a close friend or even an arm

See. I knew I'd end up making a fool of myself....    ;marks;

i'm starting to think i'm fighting a losing  battle when there is only me and tikay stood back to back swinging our swords lol

An image I didn't want in my mind...  ;surrender;

Could be worse, they could be front to back......

Analyse this....


perPokerStars Game #61383637635:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/04/27 14:25:39 ET
Table 'Baucis III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Loo SweeTian ($105.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Miiiiga$ ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: yaokhmmmmm ($103.65 in chips)
Seat 5: thor23111 ($94.80 in chips)
Seat 6: RED D0G ($171.50 in chips)
Seat 8: FMorbiducci ($106 in chips)
Seat 9: BruceOxner ($104 in chips)
boris063 will be allowed to play after the button
FMorbiducci: posts small blind $0.50
BruceOxner: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RED D0G [ Ahrt Ad]
Loo SweeTian: folds
Miiiiga$: raises $2 to $3
yaokhmmmmm: folds
thor23111: calls $3

RED D0G:......?

Raise to $13.

Raise to $20

Red and Blue are good colours for you

braces himself and bends over. you know its coming lol

Red and Blue?

.....will never do

it's like red and green should never be seen

Lol. So true.... But where did I balls it up?

Come on guys, no taking advantage....

perPokerStars Game #61383637635:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/04/27 14:25:39 ET
Table 'Baucis III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Loo SweeTian ($105.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Miiiiga$ ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: yaokhmmmmm ($103.65 in chips)
Seat 5: thor23111 ($94.80 in chips)
Seat 6: RED D0G ($171.50 in chips)
Seat 8: FMorbiducci ($106 in chips)
Seat 9: BruceOxner ($104 in chips)
boris063 will be allowed to play after the button
FMorbiducci: posts small blind $0.50
BruceOxner: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RED D0G [ Ahrt Ad]
Loo SweeTian: folds
Miiiiga$: raises $2 to $3
yaokhmmmmm: folds
thor23111: calls $3
RED D0G: raises $6 to $9
Spagiari leaves the table
FMorbiducci: folds
BruceOxner: folds
Miiiiga$: folds
thor23111: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [4d Qc Qd]
thor23111: checks

RED D0G: .....?

still lolling @ Jason.....

only have a small sample on Miiiiga$ but he seems quite tight 10/7 ep raise ZERO, so i'd 3 bet on the larger side hopefully he will take offence to this and re-backraise.

RED D0G: raises $6 to $9 - he deserves all he gets

Don't really understand those figures Mr D, but I've moved the action on now.

I guess I didn't bet enough?

at the point where it asks for your card details to deposit. games changed mate. its all about the maths these days

Not if you're from California.

Lol. Harsh, but fair....

did you actually believe it when the guys all said the games have alll got a lot softer since black friday without the yanks.....here fishy fishy lol

anyway either check and call one bet or c bet and give up.

No, but in California they call it "Math"

RED D0G: checks
*** TURN *** [4d Qc Qd] [5d]
thor23111: bets $10.70
RED D0G: ....?

now the guy with Kd Qh needs to get the vaseline out .... net poker is like the chuckle brothers..to me to you to me to you

But I have to call $10.70...... Right?

I guess I'm too late  :(

why? if you raise then you change the rng, the river comes out different and you win the pot. simples

Well anyway, I call the $10.70 and the river comes  8d.


thor23111: bets $41.80

Of course, fishy ole Red calls..


RED D0G: calls $41.80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thor23111: shows.... ?

Why do you make it 9?!


puuuuump it pre pls, twice as much imo!

explain why please andrew. not a level just want to understand why? are you trying to get everyone to fold?  reds raise gets 1 caller perfect imo. if the guy is a calling station he calls 9 or 18 does he not

I didn't want to scare everyone off, but Doubleup also said I should have bet more....

we have the nut hand.


we cannot be losing preflop


LETS WAGER MANEYS

Not saying that's wrong, but aces don't come along too often, is it wise to over bet them and induce a fold from most holdings?

see i think this be the reason why some experience varience more than others andy. we have nut hand pre but the majority of the time we dont have nut hand on the flop. your thinking would also answer why so many guys are happy to get it all in pre with AK. is this your ethos as  well? thanks for not laughing at me as understanding what my opponent is thinking is far more important than looking at my cards. despite giving the impression i only play premiums ;)

I hope this is all just a level.

Why would we want to price in tonnes of people with a hand we are then going to struggle to fold?#

if a fish will call 30 bigs pre why not raise to 30?

Why dont we just flat so no one can put us on aces?

Lol.  So much this. 

No level, I'm here to learn

Sometimes there just isnt any money to be made with them.  Giving opponents the max implied odds doesn't change that.  A squeeze of a tight early position raise is just always going to look strong, so you might as well hope that one of these guys has got a hand good enough to call a strong raise.

17 pages i have no idea who is levelling who or if the whole thread is a level?

nh sir (not the AA, ldo)

100% not a level andy....we have bet correct to get 1 caller here....bet more and we could have lost him. and your answer about struggling to fold confirms my thoughts. it may explain why tom and myself cashed so many dtd deeps and you stuggle to make day 2...its not coincidence or varience. you make an infinite more money on line than me tom and tikay added together. i learn so much from listening to you. please listen to me when i say to make finals in the deepstack you have to treat everyone like an idiot/amateur and play ABC poker. i will get flamed but dont  give a toss. even the first couple of days at the wsop is about dodging the idiots. once again its not a level..(assuming leveling is taking the piss)

Why oh why do you insist on posting the same stuff over and over again?

17 pages?

I've waited 5 years for you to post on one of my threads.

:hello: Dave.

lol obvious troll is obvious

sorry dave. will get it out of the system eventually

Many thanks. When u do il post constructive advise to hhs

look dave you have managed to move with the times and are still making a living from the on line game. where as i dont know my arse from my elbow having given the grind up some years ago i tend to cash a high %age of the time when i play live or to when trying to sat into stuff. cant speak for tom but 5 years maybe more like 10 but i remember him crushing (although we did not call it that back then) ladbrokes poker. once my kids start full time education in 18 months time i would like to think  that with the spare time i might return to the grind. i have an education and have not done a days work for anyone but myself for getting on for 20 years. this is not a level. both tom and myself are just trying to learn. explain why andy (a very good on line player) has not made a deepstack day 2 in 18 attempts when complete idiots cash these comps for fun. and dont tell me its fucking varience coz i will ram that shit in your arse

It's variance.

If you think mincashing is a profitable strategy for tournies you have no idea just like most of the live world.

if i make the dough andy i must final table more than 50% of the time. you must have spent £6k on this competition  which means you have to come 3rd buddy. i understand that all the money is in the top 3 but you must understand that you must be doing something wrong if you cant make day 2. i love you andrew and dont ever wanna upset you but they pay the top 10% of the field who in a results orientated world means that they are the top ten % who lasted longer in that competition. i know i only play low mid stake comps in general but the likes of eames romanello et al keep proving it at the highest level. i read a post maybe by maybe keys that john aint a net player but also read he has won 2 million on line so i dont know the truth but all i know from watching him is that he is a world class player and this is a guy killing it at the highest level were i would think varience is more prevellant because so many people are playing so well. when playing lesser players as we do varience should  not be a problem because they our opponents are often clueless easy to read and over play their marginal hands.

BUT HOW MUCH DID YOU LOSE

lol

andy i have never had to buy into any of the dtd comps as always qualified rf had a seat transfered. i only play twice a month now that i have 3 kids so can hardly be called professional but other than rent from a window cleaning business that i own its the primary income. just realized i actually bought into the last ukipt so that first bit was a slight exaggeration and last month spent more than the buy in for the monte carlo and never actually played it myself.

Red Dog, Can I ask what your motivations and goals for this bankroll are?

Is it to spin up a few hundred then cash out? Grind it up to a proper bankroll large enough to play the current stakes and then move up the stakes?

As for the AA hand, why did you check behind on the flop?

MBN to have never had an 18 tourney downswing.

you would probably enjoy it andy. 100% meither tom or myself are piss taking

live twice i have had it and 13 is the most i ever had in all honesty and they were playing 5 nights a week in £20 re buy bingo where due to structures i would assume that the varience has to be higher due to the fact that you are pot committed to a raise at almost every point of the competition. cant honestly say about on line because its been that long since i played a 40 hour week. just experienced my worst month trying to win a seat to two events that i tried to sat into. would have almost been cheaper to buy in.  i try to limit myself to playing 2/3 day comps twice a month due to having a young family and in my head i think i cash 50% of the time probably 33% in honesty and know of guys who seem to cash even more regually than me. looking at my hendonmob in last 19 months have had 18 result... 12 have been final tables of which 7 were top 3 where the majority of money is.....andy (sorry to use you mate) is 18 comps no day 2 and this is varience. what is the opposite of varience coz  i am binning the hoodies and having it printed on a t shirt  in big fuck off letters...i have a mate who like andy plays the odd live comps and has never cashed only ever making day 2 twice. we estimate that he has been in £181,000 (might be $) and the reason why he aint cashed is pure and simpley that he is shit (but getting better the more he listens). however this guy has a sunday milion final table and an ftops final but you look on the opr (think this was the one but aint sure) he was down $250k. go figure. i hate to be the anti christ but i am trying to understand all of this but it just makes my shit itch with frustration.

My goal? Good question.

Fun.

I want to play poker, I want to have fun doing it, I want to make sustainable profit at this level.

I haven't considered moving up levels yet. I can't win at online cash at any level so I guess I'm just trying to solve that puzzle.

If I can't make a profit, I want my losses to be as small as possible while I'm having fun.

Scratch that. The real reason is, I want to CRUUUUSH!!!!!!!


The AA hand? Checking behind was a mistake eh?

He had  6d 7d BTW

Dude please use paragraphs!! I really like reading ur posts but can never be arsed as it just looks like too much hard work!!

+1

it's almost as bad as girgy's !!s :)

If we are dissing writing styles, please stop using exclamation marks after every sentence, which is, arguably, far worse. Dude.

You must, thank goodness, be the only person to ever write "RIP!!"

Disappear for a week-end to Newcastle.  Come back to discover gatso is terrorising geese.  Cos has gone all quiet.  Chuckles isn't complaining about bad beats.  Tom and Tony have been abducted by aliens.  And their alien replacements talk hood speak.  WTF is going on 'round here?!

yeah FR in a nutshell, cider in your ear

Do I have to call the river with the nut flush?

Fist pump jam while doing a pelvic thrust is apparently the way to go...maybe throw a "BOOOOOOOOM" into the mix as yer at it.

Or ya could snap fold just for shits and giggles.  Forgot about that one.

NURSE!

Current SBR = $105.62  (Not going well is it?)

I honestly dont know.. I think that as a general rule in FRNL, if you know your opponent is competent and your range is very strong (as it is here), but your opponent doesn't seem to care, you should make some very big laydowns.  

If you want to avoid that you should move to 6max, then everyones range is much much wider.

More on this concept, and six max general strategies and principles please, if you have the time and the inclination.

Their range has to be wider, but doesn't my range have to be wider too?

Even at FR it's at very least a call.

I mean come on. What beats us here? 67s, QQ, or Qfull. He hasn't got queens full surely so that leaves quads or the straight flush. Both are unlikely. He's more likely to have AQ/KQ/JQ or maybe the Kd. He could also be bluffing.

Lol. I don't know what FR is  ;ashamed;

Oh my bad. He could obv have all the pocket pairs too. Makes it a bit closer.

Full Ring.

yes and that = fun - also ppl bluff more, bet with mediocre holdings.

I mostly play full ring when trying to clear a bonus/get to a vip level because I can play loads of tables (I cant do that with 6 max due to senility).

I think that finding weak players is the key anyway nowadays and if you are only playing a couple of tables of 6max it should be quite easy to work out if there is any value, if not move on to another table.


and btw if you are not going to use a hud at least spend ten minutes running thru the lobby and marking the multitable players red or blue or something and assume they are reasonably competent.  Avoid tables entirely composed of multitablers.

I enjoy FR but it might be exciting to try 6 max. If I go busto again, I might take a shot at it with my next c note.

SBR = $187.07

So bearing the lessons of the AA hand in mind...


Mid position (fairly solid) makes it $3. Next man (Station) calls the $3, I'm in the cut off with QQ.

$13.

have i missed the river tom? by time it takes me to write out my post the thread has moved on 3 pages.

The river was to the AA hand was  6d 7d

I made it $12.

Both of them call.

Flop  9s Js 5d

Both check

$25

Tom, don't get hung up on what hand you have.

How does it look if you re-raise?
What does your hand look like?

How will your opponents view you if you squeeze and what hands will they continue with and how?

Once we have thought about this we can then work out what hands we want to place in which ranges.

Loving this thread btw.

you are more confused than me. think we are leveling each other without actually knowing river was  8d..his hand was 6d 7d so giving him the straight flush and you the nut flush...some would call this a cooler (those some would also 5 bet jam AK pre and call it a cooler running into AA orKK) but as the board had paired i think you would have possibly gien this hand up live because of the full house hand beating you. if you had 3 bet more pre flop i think the guy still calls in the bb and you would have lost more (unless he stacked you off any way then would be impossible to lose more.) but i am just learning again

Have I missed the post where after the hand has finished you typed in the chat box " Heads up for rolls you donk?" Because that's my favourite bit.

tom never got chance as his monitor (guess you still use one of them tom) had a fist size hole in it.

Nah, he's proper hip - has a lappy and all.  But don't ask what happened to the poor cat.  It's still recovering and has since formed a union with the moles.

lol. tom loves animals. i assume his lappy is not the type Cos pays through the nose for?

Not at all.  Tom's too shrewd for that.  Gonna wait til he cruuuuuuushes to buy the balla one obv.

warning Tom, fullring is basically an abc reg top-set-mining contest. Id definitely swerve it if i were you, its not poker. You cant outplay someone who never calls with worse but wont fold better.

I'd bet a bit smaller, I normally cbet less in 3 bet pots tho normally heads up. $20 for me prob folding to a raise from mp but happy to get it in with the loose player.

 

QFT

by Alex's definition you can beat this game by micro grinding and winning every flop (in position)

but i agree its tough grind

i like what alex says dont understand what cos says but not sure if its a level. this is exactley how you make money playing ABC to beat idiots live. so am sort of  agreeing with guy. none of you guys are 15 or under and have multiple hendonmob entries i take it.... ;)

Yes. He rivered the straight flush.

Anyway, back to this hand. I make it $22. Original raiser pushes for $58, Station folds.

And now we call.

I'm interested in the FR v 6 Max thang.

Good input  from Alex, Jason, Guy and Dave. (I don't understand Cos either)

even i aint folding for that amount into that pot. looks like you are ahead to draw / top pair type hands... i think hands beating you flat n get it in on the next street. so agrred with andy but possibly for different reasoning

Also interested in peeps thoughts on short-stacking FR. Even good players seem to make really bad plays against me when I sit with a short stack. It seems to tilt the crap out of them for some reason.

Do you think short-stacking FR is a viable strategy?

what have i said that's confusing?

I simply agreed with what Alex said about online fullring. It's not poker.

 ;laxie;

9 handed - 6 max - HU = reduced average hand strengths

the lower the average hand strength the more place there is in the game for thin value bets and bluffing.

the more decisions you have to make (there are more in 6max and even more in HU ldo) the greater your chance to create an edge and have your opponents make mistakes.


full ring is just people playing tonnes of tables being super nitty with one pair being a struggle.

6max is much more fun.


shortstacking FR would be super boring, quite high variance and be purely maths based so you wouldn't be playing much of a game. no fun imo.

6max ftw.

Ole tit head can present a compelling case when he wants to...

it was the qyt thing Cos. full ring obv suits the guys like me  who are happy to have a narrower range  as the nature of the beast means you have to open up in 6 max. my sample size of 6 max is only 4 games and cashed in 3. i found that people over played their hands on the flop and actually heard two guys say how the hell can he be ahead everytime. only small sample but poker is poker. adapt and overcome each given situation
not sure if this is the same as andrew says but 6 max aint as fun imo. seem to move tables a lot just as your arse gets comfy in one seat

no way - the flop is too drawy to slow play

Tom - is it 58 for you to call or 38?

38

Tom I refer you to my post of the other day

Shortstacking has been referred to as

1. cheating
2. unbeatable poker
3. moral-less
4. why would you do anything else
5. annoying
6. .................i could go on

If done with immaculate application  short stacking is unbeatable. I guess the issue is most people dont do it well - those that do have made a lot of money.

Someone on here will link you to a good 2+2 thread - im not very good with 2+2 so it would take me 4 days to find it

As an example - if you sit with 20bbs and everyone else has 100 - in a 6 max  c/o opens his opening range, button calls his 100bb calling range and you jam 20bbs! You are gonna make a lot of money of you play a specific range of holdings (helps to run good too)


stars have now changed their tables to combat this, tilt havent as far as i know

hmmm dont like it but have to call - he is value betting I think and I dont think he has AJ, so that leaves set and combi draws, so we arent making much money here.

lol at calling shortstacking cheating.

it's just like playing a tournament stack, just push fold ranges and opponents opening/calling ranges. it's just a maths puzzle.

so AA KK and sets shove... seems alien to me but take your word. are there many drawing hands that call toms raise pre. i think not but thats my thinking which is usually wrong on line. and is tom slow playing QQ v better hands obv not (please dont take this as a level doubleup). what outrageous says sort of makes sense when i see on line winners sigh calling coz they think its the correct thing to do but are obv in a lot of trouble because their opponent could not make it clearer  they have the nuts if they stood on top of their chair and shouted across dtd to their mate "get in i've found another chump who cant fold to double me up"

Spot on Mr D.

We call, he had pocket jacks. I don't think we can play it differently. can we?



Btw- we river a queen  ;karabiner;

what does ido mean as well tom?

its ldo - and its "like der, obv"

so everytime i think it means idiot and seems to fit i aint far off......bit like when i thought fyp was feck your post. starting to talk the talk now

He doesn't play AA KK this way pre, but if he did he would most def push here.  The loose player quite likely has a drawing hand and in fact (to illustrate the nittiness of FR) the original raiser turned his jj into a drawing hand.  Tom is just about pot commited so there is no reason to slow play anyway and additionally the concern would be that a scare card could hit the turn and frighten off Tom.

thanks appreciate your honesty. like i post what i honestly think even if its wrong or gets me flamed

Lol. I don't know about nitty. Some of these players are looser than a brown ale and curry bowel movement.

SBR = $200.56


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Finished the sesh on $230.97.

Might play crush some 6 Max later....

great thread. but then again the one about keeping chickens was one of my favs

Me too. Have you ever kept chickens Jacearoony?

Why do some of the 6 Max tables have that PokerStars red ace of spades symbol in front of the table name?

Some of the players have this too.

online pro sat at table

What does "Pro" mean on this case Guy?

Sponsored by Stars or self styleed?

yeah sponsored by stars - but "online pro" is like 2nd tier - in the sense of not necessarily big poker names - but that said they have usually made their names on line so not to be taken lightly at all

Sponsored by stars.

Dale who posts on here is one.

Any idea what a Stars online sponsorship consists of?

my grandad has bantums and whippets when i was a kid. that was about the only experience i have. my grandad also looked after a guys horses who only owned rileys crisps that were a scunthorpe company. should this be on the b listers thread

I would have liked your Grandad.

It's a secret.

Playing 6 Max (1 table)

Head spinning......

Heart racing.......

Blimey. I've only been playing 10 minutes and I've been in more hands than Britney Spears's tits.

Blue, Bearded or Great?

What, Britney Spears's tits?

Great.

Oops....



Table 'Berenike V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 3: Ialogen ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: RED D0G ($77 in chips)
Seat 6: rivgold ($56.60 in chips)
theboy7 will be allowed to play after the button
rivgold: posts small blind $0.50
brudman: is sitting out
Ialogen: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RED D0G [Qc Qs]
H-Good-Joke joins the table at seat #1
RED D0G: raises $2 to $3
rivgold: calls $2.50
Ialogen: folds
*** FLOP *** [3c 8c 7c]
rivgold: bets $6
RED D0G: raises $12 to $18
rivgold: raises $35.60 to $53.60 and is all-in
RED D0G: calls $35.60
*** TURN *** [3c 8c 7c] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [3c 8c 7c Qh] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rivgold: shows [7h 8d] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
RED D0G: shows [Qc Qs] (four of a kind, Queens)
RED D0G collected $113.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $114.20 | Rake $1
Board [3c 8c 7c Qh Qd]
Seat 3: Ialogen (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: RED D0G (button) showed [Qc Qs] and won ($113.20) with four of a kind, Queens

Now you're learning!!  Get it in behind, and hit runner runner quads!  Mitch will be so proud.

100 % you would tom. he was a farrier.  nh by the way

I crushed that fecker.

skilll game........................... :D

Was he Jase? Farriers worked their bollocks off back then. They earn good money nowadays. (Not that I begrudge them)

You haz greeeeeeeeeeeen.  was always coming home to ya.

That's broccoli right?

So behind the times.

FML - I tried.  Sigh.

he spent a fair amount on woodbines and ale. my gran was from indonesia and they met during the world war ll. she bought up 4 kids almost single handed as most women did then. she the set up a nursing home in formby where caroline now lives

There are some great stories out there. Everyone has them.

My dad had a computer shop.

Went out of business.

To be fair, where you live you're normally a good 20 years behind - so not a bad effort.

This 6 Max is bad for me nerves. Playing two tables now. Shattered 8 teeth already.

I think you should move on to heads-up now before you get bored.

Back on FR. 6 Max too scary.

SBR $245.57

iv played with a lot of shortstacker pro's over a number of years and hundreds of k's of hands. none of them have a positive bb/100, the best simply lose at a lower rate and the rake they generate plus ridic promotions gets them paid. They are usually (albeit tiny), value in the game because they have ridiculously exploitable tendencies. Many of the shorties on euro networks belonged to a spanish staking company (we referred to them as the spanish armada) who had to play by a set standard, iirc badbeats serbian shortstacker outfit was also forced to play to a set standard. They basically try to open in excess of 80% of buttons and sb's, but they dont adjust and cbet 90%+ almost regardless of board texture. They are simply parasites of the game because fish hate them, they reduce the preflop fun of poker and they take money out the game in rb.

^^^ lol at a pro referring to others as parasites of the game  :D

Enjoying this thread.... especially this little exchange.

Absoloutly love this thread!

So honest and funny, please keep this going, and glglglgl in your cash shenanigans...

p.s - Jason, keep on smoking them crack pipes!! lolololol

pp.s Men in white coats are coming - weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

you should of  heard me back in the day  when drugs were drugs. you could half an E with your mate and both be buzzing all night (instead of having to neck 15 like folks do today), your coke actually had coke in it (and not baby laxative or creatine) and your crack was washed up with amnonia and more pure (instead of magic which dont burn off all the crap). not had the experience of brown but understand the cutting agent of choice is rat poison.

Never tried @coke@ and never will - only ever smoked that wacky backy stuff, and that's no good when I'm trying to earn some bread by playing till 4am for 50$ :-( - What's it like?

Had a real blast with the pokerings y-day. Got ridic coolered in a few big pots, but by the same token I sucked out more times than a chav with a petrol can and a syphoning pipe.

I had a ponder about it overnight, and I think that 6 Max is probs the way to go. I'm just not ready for it yet. My brains don't work fast enough. I played two tables for about an hour, and by the end I was so confused I didn't know if I was in York or Cork.

Gonna be grinding like a gigalo with a 3 rock crack habit.  

SBR = $169.73

Thanks for taking the time to post this Alex, and for dumbing it down enough for me to understand it.  :P

Nice to see Dreenie in here. She scares the living crap out of me when we share a table. (But don't tell her that obv).

Alex

Like I said, it needs to be done right, which is playing inexploitably! What you described clearly isn't.

!!!

Coffee all over monitor now   rotflmfao

I would be crap on a jury. Someone puts their case forward and I'm absolutely convinced that they are right, then someone else puts forward a counter argument and I change my mind straight away.

I remember watching the OJ Simpson trial thinking,  Guilty...... innocent...... guilty .......innocent.....


NB: I finally decided on Guilty.

lol. i dont even smoke fags dreenie. i dont think most of the people who snort coke actually have snorted coke. i have seen guys getting off their faces on what was clearly wash powder but coz they were telling each other how good it was they obv believed it.

I can't believe that you seriously considered that OJ might have been innocent for one second.

Oh come on man, he hired the Dream Team ffs, and the glove didn't fit.

Not sure if there is an inexploitable strategy with 20bbs (except maybe sb vs bb).  An open pushing strategy would be too tight, so they have to raise normally and after that it is entirely opponent/flop dependent.  There are some 3 bet situations that would probably guarantee profit, but most of that would be taken in rake. Almost all the botlikehuge volume short stackers lose a small amount at the tables - maybe something like 1bb/100 but they make 1.5+bb/100 from rakeback etc.

calling for a ban on this thread for anyone who has any knowledge and is  in anyway competent.you are ruining it  for those of us whose favourite board game is HAVENTGOTACLUEDO

this. it was a fun thread before all that fancy pants talk.

Like, no need to be a drag man, just because you don't know where it's at.

is this what they mean by "range merging"?



(http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo151/outragous76/rangemerging.jpg)

Lol @ Guy.

Triple reins merging.


(http://www.myhorse.com/MyHorse/upload/0/33/3354/asset_upload_file219_3354.jpg)

Just sitting down for a sesh now. SBR = $220.27.

With any luck, all the regs will have been watching the wedding and drinking all day.

One good push should see me hit the $300 mark. (Famous last words)



Cover me, I'm going in.....






(http://mp3muffin.com/train/pics/john.jpg)

gl gl excellent thread.

I raise the button with 10 10, sb re-raises, bb shoves, I fold.

next hand

I raise in the cut off with JJ, button re-raises. big blind shoves, I fold.

Do me a favour, just sniff your monitor and tell me if I smell fishy.

Is this in 6 max? what were the stack sizes?

AARRRGGHH!!!!

This table is so soft, it bends when I rest my elbows on it.  

Why can't I win?

Confidence fading....  fading....  fading...

Full ring Dreenie. (Bank roll / Cajones too small for 6 Max)

Have you got yourself hidden for Stars search Tom ?

Yes. Too many jealous husbands around.

play 6 max 9 is horrible. it will hold you back from improving imo.

Me being me, I'm prob not folding the JJ there, imo if you wanna exeperience the highs aswell as the lows, think u need to get it in more, to get more highs out of it. The postions you are all sat in, prob makes my decision towards the call button - imo, get it in and hope for the best, it's the way forward imo - gl :-)

Strapping a pair on as we speak......

Haemorrhaging money calling raises with small pairs trying to catch a set.

Better to rr late position with small pairs?

No

That's what I thought  8)

This is poker, surely the answer is depends ....... On alot of things!

Tom, post hh's. Remove your hole cards. Give reads on your opponents, how many tables are they playing? did they sit full? are they awful etc.

PokerStars Game #61472043641:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/04/29 16:22:29 ET
Table 'Benetnasch VII' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: aq10 ($44 in chips)
Seat 2: MrChiffo ($41 in chips)
Seat 3: tanyaa1956 ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: Jompatan ($106.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Vattanen_AA ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 7: RED D0G ($91.30 in chips)
Seat 9: generalpoker ($104.50 in chips)
Vattanen_AA: posts small blind $0.50
RED D0G: posts big blind $1
bekay87: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RED D0G
generalpoker: folds
aq10: folds
MrChiffo: folds
tanyaa1956: folds
Jompatan: folds
Vattanen_AA: raises $2 to $3
RED D0G: raises $6 to $9
Vattanen_AA: raises $11 to $20
RED D0G: folds
Uncalled bet ($11) returned to Vattanen_AA
Vattanen_AA collected $18 from pot
Vattanen_AA: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18 | Rake $0
Seat 1: aq10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MrChiffo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tanyaa1956 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Jompatan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Vattanen_AA (small blind) collected ($18)
Seat 7: RED D0G (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: generalpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)

play 6 max/

ok...

edit fwiw I didn't see that our opponent only had 50bbs, check stack sizes always ldo. assume 100bb discussion not 50.


1) try to have 100bbs if poss

2) What is your opponent type in the hand? tight/loose? aggressive/passive?

To be taking the line of 3 bet folding bvb , we want to be thinking that our villain is opening to steal with a wide range, that our villain perceives us as not being out of line/vloose, we want to either have what we consider against this player type to be a strong value hand or a hand that we don't mind dumping when we get 4 bet (preferably either with blocker value to his nut range or with a hand that plays relatively well when called ie 67s>A2o if we see a flop).  Another good read on our opponent would be that they are wide active pre but then call too many 3 bets oop and we can gain money by 3bet/cbetting with a high frequency and exploit their wide oop calling range.

BvB people really can go mental.

Another way of playing back to exploit a wide sb steal range is to just call your opponent and play the pot inposition with the idea to raise and call lots of different flop textures.

tyty 

absorbing......

Tom have a peek at this and try some low stakes 6 max, maybe even make a video with you discusing your play. That is by far the best way to learn!

http://www.gamblingsystem.biz/books/2p2NL6max.pdf

Will do.

Ball till you fall

Played FR for a couple of hours but didn't make any real progress as such, so I moved to 6 Max and got totally owned.

Those guys just wiped the floor with me. The only reason I'm not busto is because I got it in bad a couple of times ans sucked out.

BTW- Every one of theose 6 Max guys was playing about a mirrion tables.

I'm definitely doing something wrong when it comes to online cash. I think it's A psychological thing. I'm treating it like it's a bogey man or something...

WOOOOOOO! Online cash is gonna get you........

Well I'm going to play my next session the same way as I would a live cash game. i.e. I'm going to rock up, talk a lot, drink a lot of tea, and keep sending someone to the kitchen to bring me a sandwich.


BTW- When I said WOOOOOOO! earlier, I think it would have had more impact if I'd used more than one exclamation mark, but Tony gets all uppity about that sort of thing and I decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

SBR = $164.72

Fk him use as many as u feel necessary!!

I do get uppity when I see ANY exclamation marks, never mind TWO, behind "RIP", it's so incredibly disrespectful to the deceased.

  "......Overly frequent use of the exclamation mark is generally considered poor writing, for it distracts the reader and reduces the mark's meaning.

Cut out all those exclamation points. An exclamation point is like laughing at your own jokes.

—F. Scott Fitzgerald....."

I awoke today in fine heart & mood, & Tom's rattled my cage already.

I may just have to spend a few hours on my Diary now, to calm myself down. Dear.