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 on: Today at 12:14:51 PM 
Started by exstream - Last post by teddybloat
I'm not saying a religion causes this murder. But that it is a necessary component of it in a way it wasn't for the IRA.

I dont think religious belief factored into Irish terrorism much at all other than as another label / type of otherness and difference from.

 on: Today at 11:59:45 AM 
Started by TightEnd - Last post by muckthenuts
With campaigning suspended, and the news agenda moving on once it resumes, last night's bombing will surely impact upon the general election.

Theresa May's worst day by far (U-turn, rabbit in the headlights press conference, then roasted for 30 mins at gas mark 8 at Chez Brillo) will fade into the background and she'll get a couple of days of looking prime-ministerial again.

The one cloud for her might be that this might (and only might) see a bit of a flow of voters back to UKIP from the Tories, which could turn a few marginals.

I think whatever gains Labour made will be undone by this. Corbyn is already seen as soft on terrorism at best and a sympathiser at worst. The fact that children were targeted will, IMO, see some parents who would have voted Labour having a last minute change of heart. But you are probably right on the UKIP thing too.

Could get quite ugly for the rest of the campaign, as many of us were already expecting the Tories to ramp up the 'friends with Hamas/IRA' angle towards the end of the month.

And isn't that part of the problem? 

Being hard on terrorism clearly isn't working it isn't a detterent. 

Why not try a different path, even if we accept that Corbyn was asupporter of the RA he alongside others were  in part responsible for bringing key players to the table. 

The state cn play down his involvement all they like, but SF politicians and supporters of a United Ireland on these shores were making hay with members of the Labour Party in the  UK, Democrats in America and othhers who were seen as progressive. 

I don't see Mrs May as being hard on terror or strong and stable.  Being prepared to detonate a bomb on another country for the sake of showing you are a strong leader isn't themark of a leader in my view. 

I won'tote Labour, but I really am tired of all the mud slinging in politics.  More alarmingly, I am concerned about how the media control the agenda.

I think we've just got to accept that terrorism is part and parcel of living in the UK in the 21st century.

There is no solution as far as I can see.

*lives in a country which has bombed the Middle East relentlessly for the last 50 years*

The Camel: But I just can't see any solution to terrorism

You could try and vote Corbyn, hoping that starts a trend of less war-mongering PM's down the line. With no pointless wars terrorism will end, that is a guarantee. But your future generations will be significantly less well off for it.

 on: Today at 11:46:51 AM 
Started by TightEnd - Last post by 4KSuited
What's breath-taking here is the complicity of both clubs. This couldn't have happened without pre-match agreement. Just what did they think they were doing, and what did they think would happen after millions of people had a chance to think about it.

Not to mention the small punts on Paddy Power...

The implicit arrogance of it is just incredible.

 on: Today at 11:43:49 AM 
Started by The Camel - Last post by exstream
at least give pleno a chance to defend his actions

 on: Today at 11:38:12 AM 
Started by TightEnd - Last post by PokerBroker
ban religion and section anyone that 'believes'


 on: Today at 11:38:07 AM 
Started by The Camel - Last post by 4KSuited
Hope this isn't seen as a distasteful post. I am very upset and saddened by the deaths last night, absolutely horrible. But perhaps betting ukip and other similar parties in north west areas if the prices haven't changed could be a horrible but good idea.

Nothing distasteful at all about trying to find a way to profit from the news of children being blown up with a nail bomb, nothing at all.

It's pragmatic you may not like it or agree with it but there will be others trying to gain some mileage out of this. 

Watch certain politicians try and make capital out of it, that is distasteful and they should know better. 

Out of a point of principle I wouldn't ever back  UKIP in a one horse race but I don't think pleno deserves to be brought to task. 

The fact that theres more people doing it doesn't make it any less disgusting, have a bit of fucking respect

Perhaps the thread should be deleted before this escalates. I don't know Patrick personally, but from everything I've read from his pen to date, I'm truly amazed that he would make that post. Let's just say it was an aberration, delete it, and move on.

 on: Today at 11:35:19 AM 
Started by TightEnd - Last post by celtic
Probably wouldn't be so much of a problem if it wasn't John Terry.

 on: Today at 11:34:11 AM 
Started by TightEnd - Last post by exstream
ban religion and section anyone that 'believes'

 on: Today at 11:31:38 AM 
Started by exstream - Last post by exstream
dont hope that hes doing anything
there are no gods
religions the problem
down with religion

 on: Today at 11:27:13 AM 
Started by exstream - Last post by PokerBroker
Watching the media coverage of this gives you a feel for people. 

The top cop in Manchester and the new Mayor Andy Burnham clearly looked upset by the events. 

Theresa May showing strong and stable leadership with a scripted speech, no sign of empathy. 

The death toll is likely to rise in the coming hours, I'mnot religious at all, but if there is a God, I hope he is looking after all those impacted by this horrible event.

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