Is this bad etiquette?

[aaron1867]

Not made a drama out of it.

Why mention $$$ given to keys horses? Obv trying to make him look bad

Yer obvsiously it's a tiny bit of a vent as he's done Keys a favour and is annoyed he hasn't got the $$. I don't think either party has been malicious or not paid/written it up on blonde in a horrible way, they have had many dealings in the past. I feel like it's worse to not pay on an investment than to publicly say 'i've not been paid, does anyone else want to buy this %'. Like I said, it's not a massive issue from what I can see, just a bit of laziness and quick re-selling.

I don't see how you can say he's shown poor etiquette and is trying to make him look bad, when WHAT ARE YOU DOING BRINGING IT UP?!

Obv he's no saint and you both give as good as you get on occasions, but pointing fingers in this way is pretty joke childish.

I'm purely bringing it up for the fact that Alex has fallen over himself to have a go here. He's made a comment of "you lack class" in this thread, then I decided to point out what a hypocrit be is.

All this thread was created for was to ask opinion on 2 situations and it has gone down a totally different route. I knew Alex & cronies would come along to have a pop just before I created.

However this has gone down a different avenue for the reason of Dave's comments regarding Jamie., which was not relevant really to topic, well not fully anyway. Now I have numerous people saying X person has said this, Y person has said this and Z person this too, and others have felt the need to carry it on.

People can't say I can't take criticism but I can, I wouldn't have posted it if I wasn't open to views. I have already admitted that the two hands was very douchey and you make good comments that regular and good players would see through it.

But thread is Lolz and I blame pleno.

[cambridgealex]

I didn't want it to come across as patronising as I said its only my opinion and my way of seeing things, and as said earlier I get that other people see things differently and that's fine.

Don't think you should let him have it on tab, just better communication needed between you- I'd have just said listen mate if you ain't got it tell me now so I can resell it, and then u can go two ways- either no momey no percent or say if you think you will have it by time main starts give me a % chance of that, if you ain't got it by then its either cancelled or  il let u have it this one time but don't let me down, it's our first transaction that wouldn't be right etc

Can't believe you can't shift 10% of main with a days notice even with price being 1.5

I could have sold higher than I did easily and could have sold way higher 5 minutes before main starts but I like rewarding regular buyers

I don't really know how I could have communicated better, I sent pms, and spoke to him in person. He ignored pms, and all but ignored me in person (just saying "no i dont have it). Yeh I could've sweated it out a bit longer and probably waited till the day before and still sold out, but I didn't want the stress and didn't want to risk it. And why should I?

[Dubai]

I'd have just taken him to one side saying need a word and sorted it out. Even if I'd never met someone that's what I'd have done, if he mugs u off then its his fault but I'd assume u were pretty relaxed about asking him and maybe in a group etc. not trying to make excuses for him but its easy just to say what the hell going on mate, if you ain't got it just say, rather than just sheepishly asking if he has the $$ on him. He is far from innocent from what you've said as he should handle it better but people can be caught at bad times and stuff. I just think people need to sort stuff out one on one rather than all this childish stuff on here and social media etc

[robyong]

James Dempsey = Absolute top bloke, known him for 10+ years, backed Blondepoker with is own poker winnings, backs numerous poker players to help them out, helps out his mates, supports DTD - was first person to buy into CPP - he gave me €6k for the CPP six months in advance, never minds picking up the tab for everyone, always pays more than his way and never asks for anything in return - can't speak more highly of him in terms of integrity. As for James Keys, well, is there anyone more straight in poker, I doubt it. Disappointed that this stuff is on Blonde really. Cheers Rob

[aaron1867]

wow, I'm sure Flushy will be very happy with Alex saying "there were rumours"

Such class!

[claypole]

James Dempsey = Absolute top bloke, known him for 10+ years, backed Blondepoker with is own poker winnings, backs numerous poker players to help them out, helps out his mates, supports DTD - was first person to buy into CPP - he gave me €6k for the CPP six months in advance, never minds picking up the tab for everyone, always pays more than his way and never asks for anything in return - can't speak more highly of him in terms of integrity. As for James Keys, well, is there anyone more straight in poker, I doubt it. Disappointed that this stuff is on Blonde really. Cheers Rob

End thread. All this.

[Tal]

It's all got so far from the OP it's ridiculous.

There's plenty of room in this world for people who are owed money to decide how best to deal with that situation. Whatever the logic, it can't best be on a 'How was my etiquette on these two hands?' thread.

If a "Scamming" thread is what is deemed best, informing the community about a welched bet or a theft, that is the owner's choice, however unsavoury the whole thing is, some people believe in transparency as a means to an end.

FWIW, I've not seen anything ITT to convince me anyone is stealing or scamming, not that this was ever close to the point of the thread. There are obviously issues between people that need sorting out, but sorting out between those involved and coming on here and calling out as a thief/grimmer/whatever is an absolute last resort (perhaps meritorious, warranted or even necessary, but a last resort nonetheless). I barely know anyone on blonde, so can't and won't give character references, as there are plenty who can do that.

The point Dubai makes about people who come from gambling is really interesting. Every dog track in the country has a mythical white fiver that passed between punters for years that no one ever actually saw; it was just an IOU that got punted and lost repeatedly. It is a different world to the electronic records of online betting and poker. But the two coexist now and that's why agreements between parties are for the parties to set out, quantify and enforce.

Money is a tough thing to deal with, especially a lot of it. It corrupts good people and yet it enables the same good people to do truly great things.

People, just be nicer to each other.

[cambridgealex]

James Dempsey = Absolute top bloke, known him for 10+ years, backed Blondepoker with is own poker winnings, backs numerous poker players to help them out, helps out his mates, supports DTD - was first person to buy into CPP - he gave me €6k for the CPP six months in advance, never minds picking up the tab for everyone, always pays more than his way and never asks for anything in return - can't speak more highly of him in terms of integrity. As for James Keys, well, is there anyone more straight in poker, I doubt it. Disappointed that this stuff is on Blonde really. Cheers Rob

That's all very well, but I haven't known him for 10 years, I don't know him at all.

I could speak very highly of lots of my friends who you wouldn't know, but I'd never expect you to just let them put a 4 figure investment on the tab based on my word.

[Royal Flush]

I've replied on his staking thread obviously so big mis understanding has gone on as I have not received a message for him.

For the record the one time I saw him I was playing a tournament and walked past his table on way back from bathroom. Said hello but obviously couldn't stop and chat as was playing. I said I have it for him but not on me.

Am sure we can sort it out, just seems he's been listening to Keys drone on and on and eventually it's seeped into his head.  

[cambridgealex]

PM sent, let's meet up tonight in Rio and have a drink and sort this. I've tried to do what I thought was best but everybody sees things in slightly different ways.

[paulhouk03]

Lol@thread

It's all hand bags glore ATM

I don't understand how all of Aaron's threads escalates to 10+ pages

True trolling at its best

[CHIPPYMAN]

Aaron , now see what u have done !  Even the owner of Dtd have to come out and vouch for someone. Troller ... Lol

[MANTIS01]

James Dempsey = Absolute top bloke, known him for 10+ years, backed Blondepoker with is own poker winnings, backs numerous poker players to help them out, helps out his mates, supports DTD - was first person to buy into CPP - he gave me €6k for the CPP six months in advance, never minds picking up the tab for everyone, always pays more than his way and never asks for anything in return - can't speak more highly of him in terms of integrity. As for James Keys, well, is there anyone more straight in poker, I doubt it. Disappointed that this stuff is on Blonde really. Cheers Rob

Real sorry to hear you are "disappointed" with our discussion. But don't worry, now that you've waved your hand to signal disappointment Tighty will be frantically looking for ways to delete the thread.

@Flushy - If you make a commitment to somebody it's your job to chase them, it ain't their job to chase you. I am sure you are an "absolute top bloke" like Rob says and wp for buying into the CPP early, but anyway back to the point, the bottom line is you have an obligation to communicate your intentions clearly. It is obv that a young kid like Alex would be fretting over this and not communicating your intentions will make him feel small and insignificant. Personally I would be "disappointed" if you didn't appreciate that cos people at the top of the food chain should be setting the standard for the rest of us, esp in this higly visible format.

[Magic817]

James Dempsey = Absolute top bloke, known him for 10+ years, backed Blondepoker with is own poker winnings, backs numerous poker players to help them out, helps out his mates, supports DTD - was first person to buy into CPP - he gave me €6k for the CPP six months in advance, never minds picking up the tab for everyone, always pays more than his way and never asks for anything in return - can't speak more highly of him in terms of integrity. As for James Keys, well, is there anyone more straight in poker, I doubt it. Disappointed that this stuff is on Blonde really. Cheers Rob

Real sorry to hear you are "disappointed" with our discussion. But don't worry, now that you've waved your hand to signal disappointment Tighty will be frantically looking for ways to delete the thread.
@Flushy - If you make a commitment to somebody it's your job to chase them, it ain't their job to chase you. I am sure you are an "absolute top bloke" like Rob says and wp for buying into the CPP early, but anyway back to the point, the bottom line is you have an obligation to communicate your intentions clearly. It is obv that a young kid like Alex would be fretting over this and not communicating your intentions will make him feel small and insignificant. Personally I would be "disappointed" if you didn't appreciate that cos people at the top of the food chain should be setting the standard for the rest of us, esp in this higly visible format.

Does it not get boring Mantis?