uk on critical alert

[Rod Paradise]

Why the fixation with planes? If terrorists wanted to create real 'mass murder' surely all they'd have to do is carry out a chemical attack on the tube.

As far as I can see, you can't defend against it. The only way you stop it is if they give you an opportunity to by behaving like nutters and running their mouth off over the phone etc. All I know is I'll walk any place, take any plane and if they get me, they get me. I won't be dictated to on that level.

 

Its not just the mass murder though - its the images they want too.

It kinda bugs me how short-sighted the tarrorists are being. Governments will never give in, no matter how many civillians you kill. All that does is make martyrs & make the Government's position stronger.

Attack the economy & there will be peace talks quicker than you can say Stormont...... I rackon you could cripple the economy for a couple of days with 20 guys, some crowbars & some petrol cans and lighters. No deaths just a big loss.

[MrMoves]

I'm curious as to how you have peace talks with terrorists who express no goal or agenda other than to kill the "infidels"

These people are not the IRA.

[Rod Paradise]

I'm curious as to how you have peace talks with terrorists who express no goal or agenda other than to kill the "infidels"

These people are not the IRA.

That's the danger we're heading down - demonising the other's religion and motives while we are led by people who believe God wanted them to attack Iraq.....

I don't know of any group currently named as a threat who have declared their only agenda as 'to kill all infidels'.

[Royal Flush]

LOL i dont think so ...   

Seriously though imagine a database of evryones dna.... it would certainly speed up the crimes solved rate, and act as a detterent to future criminals.

ID cards are surely just around the corner, and i welcome them.

I would genuinely like to listen to anyone who is opposed to ID cards and hear their reasons why.

I agree, i really don't see what people worry about.

[MrMoves]

I'd still like to know who the government is to approach for these peace talks.  Sounds like a great idea.

[Rod Paradise]

I'd still like to know who the government is to approach for these peace talks.  Sounds like a great idea.

I'd think stopping support for Israel's invasion of Lebanon, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan would be a start. The Spanish withdrew their troops and have had no trouble since.

It's hardly like the Muslim states are trying to dictate how our politics should be run is it?

[MrMoves]

I still like the idea of peace talks.  Around a nice big table, some coffee and biscuits, maybe a few ginger nuts?

[thetank]

I don't know of any group currently named as a threat who have declared their only agenda as 'to kill all infidels'.

So you're unfamiliar with the manifesto of the Hamilton Girl Guides then.

Watch out if a brownie gets on a bus.

[Rod Paradise]

I still like the idea of peace talks.  Around a nice big table, some coffee and biscuits, maybe a few ginger nuts?

Sarcasm's fine, whatever pickles yer gherkin, but as the Governments of the US & UK constantly claim to be targetting the leaders of the terrorist organisations, they seem to know who they'd need to talk to.

Of course we can just try to wipe them out, causing more fear among people who are not in a position to fight back (except by using guerilla tactics).

[BrumBilly]

That's not what Rod P was suggesting and mockery won't make it so. Our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan only helps in creating a climate that helps the fanatics gain support at a grassroots level. I know who I'd be backing if I was an Iraqi who'd had his family killed/raped by a 'liberating force for democracy'. Labelling these people as insurgents is just slick media politrickery and I don't buy it. Our troops have no business in the region.

[MrMoves]

You're right, they should email Osama and invite him around for a BBQ and a few cold ones.  That'll clear the air.

[Rod Paradise]

You're right, they should email Osama and invite him around for a BBQ and a few cold ones.  That'll clear the air.

That'll be the end of the discussion then  Thanks for the informed opinions.

[MrMoves]

No, no.  Thank you.  If I were you I'd get on to Blair (when he's back from his hols) and Bush with your peace talks suggestion.

That's genius.

[NoflopsHomer]

MrMoves, Rod is trying to have a discussion with you, and whether you agree with him or not, (and I'm guessing the latter ) you could show him a little more respect.

[BrumBilly]

What's with the ridicule? It's not 'genius', it's simply what 'we' are already doing...or trying to...Osama isn't an Island so behind the scenes 'we're' in continual 'talks' with those who may have influence/information but there are so many conflicting/overlapping agendas in play that the picture becomes very blurred. Our military presence in the region and the bogus justification that supported the invasion does nothing to help the diplomatic process. IMO we're not going to agree on this as we have totally different perspectives and we'll look at the same data and come up with different stories. That's cool with me but there's no need for 'ridicule'. That'll just creat a climate of abuse. Kofi's never around when you need him!