Big pot, not so big hand.

[Royal Flush]

[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Hand Start.
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Seat 1 : E621 has $28,300
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Seat 2 : jjl has $51,400
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Seat 3 : AAAA-1 has $13,195
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Seat 5 : ferg12 has $29,600
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Seat 6 : Netzero1 has $13,960
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Seat 7 : KINGMEI has $6,910
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Seat 8 : Flush Royal has $23,505
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : 'Dead button' is at seat 8
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : E621 posted small blind.
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : jjl posted big blind.
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Game [112] started with 7 players.
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Sep 7 23:32:01] : Seat 8 : Flush Royal has
[Sep 7 23:32:02] : AAAA-1 folded.
[Sep 7 23:32:04] : ferg12 called 600
[Sep 7 23:32:04] : Netzero1 folded.
[Sep 7 23:32:05] : KINGMEI folded.
[Sep 7 23:32:10] : Flush Royal called 600
[Sep 7 23:32:13] : E621 called 300
[Sep 7 23:32:15] : jjl checked.
[Sep 7 23:32:15] : Dealing flop.
[Sep 7 23:32:15] : Board cards [ ]
[Sep 7 23:32:18] : E621 checked.
[Sep 7 23:32:22] : jjl bet 600
[Sep 7 23:32:24] : ferg12 called 600
[Sep 7 23:32:28] : Flush Royal called 600 and raised 2,000
[Sep 7 23:32:29] : E621 folded.
[Sep 7 23:32:33] : jjl called 2,000
[Sep 7 23:32:34] : ferg12 called 2,000
[Sep 7 23:32:34] : Dealing turn.
[Sep 7 23:32:34] : Board cards [ ]
[Sep 7 23:32:37] : jjl checked.
[Sep 7 23:32:38] : ferg12 checked.


Whats the move here?

[booder]

pushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[totalise]

pushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

really?

pot is T10,200 and flushy has T20k left, seems like pushing is a bit adventurous

I'd bet 6k and see what happens...if someone comes over the top I flip a coin and call/fold, in limped pots with a board like this, TPTK in a 3 way raised pot on the flop isn't the monster it looks... and if you do get called, the turn bet often gives you a free showdown if they make their hand on the river.

I try not to get overly married to hands like this in spots like this, 4 people saw a flop, and 2 other people liked it enough to call a raise, betting 6k seems like a good action bet, gets action from the drawers and weeds out the snakes in the grass as you dont often get raised here unless you are beat

[Royal Flush]

Glad you said that T.

I went the other side of pot, 4k. Trying to get the weaker 9/draw in and then the free showdown. JJL raised to 12k pretty swiftly so i passed, 45 was my thinking, however he later turned out to be a bit of a mug. Could he have had fd+pair? Pair+ str8 draw?

I think the error was not raising more on the flop. I probably should have raised pre flop aswell but with the deep stacks i couldn't see me putting much pressure on them!

[SupaMonkey]

Is it so bad to let a free card peel off. It keeps the pot smaller, you have position and can decide whether or not you want to call a river bet.

[Royal Flush]

Is it so bad to let a free card peel off. It keeps the pot smaller, you have position and can decide whether or not you want to call a river bet.

Another good idea. However i am more prone to do this with a hand that is more easily beaten on the turn. I actually think my hand is in pretty good shape vs the range of my oppos, given how deep we are i expect a raise on the flop from 2 pair/set so i am almost certain i am ahead on the flop. I really don't want to give them a free card when the pot is 10k. If it was A63 board that is exactly what i would do.

[totalise]

Could he have had fd+pair? Pair+ str8 draw?

maybe, but the lead-raise-call (flop) and then check-raise line (turn) is normally either a big flopped hand,  or a draw/marginal hand that got there on the turn... so I wouldn't sweat it too much. I hate the limp preflop though,  but I have a real strong hatred of rag aces, so it might well be acceptable

[Nem]

Is it so bad to let a free card peel off. It keeps the pot smaller, you have position and can decide whether or not you want to call a river bet.

Flushy played it well. 4k was a good bet, and was the last money he was putting into the pot. If he checked and the player bet out 6-8k on a brick river, Flushy may have been tempted to call.

[Royal Flush]

Could he have had fd+pair? Pair+ str8 draw?

maybe, but the lead-raise-call (flop) and then check-raise line (turn) is normally either a big flopped hand,  or a draw/marginal hand that got there on the turn... so I wouldn't sweat it too much. I hate the limp preflop though,  but I have a real strong hatred of rag aces, so it might well be acceptable

I would have raised if it wasnt an ace, lol. I was just playing the button when we were all quite deep.

[Pab]

dont limp with A9 off?

[bolt pp]

4k was a terrible bet after the action on the flop, you must know your winning, the 7 doesnt help anyone and you show weakness and let the pot get away from you, i trust my insticts and push the turn, weak 9 calls drawing hand gives it up and you, barring the weak 9 two pairs take the pot down on the river

[Royal Flush]

dont limp with A9 off?

What have you ever won?

Bolt do you rule 45 out?

[bolt pp]

dont limp with A9 off?

What have you ever won?

Bolt do you rule 45 out?

hes all in to your re raise on the flop if he has 45

[Royal Flush]

I doubt that somehow!

[NoflopsHomer]

4k was a terrible bet after the action on the flop, you must know your winning, the 7 doesnt help anyone and you show weakness and let the pot get away from you, i trust my insticts and push the turn, weak 9 calls drawing hand gives it up and you, barring the weak 9 two pairs take the pot down on the river

If he pushes the turn, the only hands that call him will be the ones beating him. I wouldn't rule out  or  here. Though I've notes on jjl which say he's a bit fishy...

I play it the same as flushy.