Quick Hello and P4C

[Trace]

tank hit the nail on the head p4c is not just aimed at making money for charity as it should be.
 when he said about when you spend £300 quid going to one of theses "doos" only £15 ends up at the charity.JOKE,

£300!!!! was not spent at the charity event, they were tanks costs,i.e hotel, drinks and whatever he spent. He actually only spent £90

at the event. of which a percentage went to the prizepool. How can you say we are now responsable for people's travel and beverage costs??

what i am saying is instead of going to one of these" DOOS" and spending £300-400 and only £15 ending up at the good cause  STAY HOME AND SEND £50 DIRECT TO THE INTENDED PURPOSE

 

[Trace]

what i am saying is instead of going to one of these" DOOS" and spending £300-400 and only £15 ending up at the good cause  STAY HOME AND SEND £50 DIRECT TO THE INTENDED PURPOSE

Some people might enjoy spending money for a weekend away where they can meet up with old friends and have a game of poker and a laugh and if some of the proceeds end up going to charity then even better - rather than just sitting at home.

 

[sofa----king]

so just to carify
£60,000 was raised "FOR CHARITY"    well done
£16,120 was wages (1 person)           not so good
£24,000 was admin costs (lotta paper) very bad management


total raised              £60,000
charity end up with    £19,880   if it got there? ive got to have my doubts as to seeing only one case the reece fund.....sorry.....
this is 2 years of charity work ?

sorry if offended i cant bite my tounge i speak my mind this is my opinion.

[the-oneeye]

Ange is correct i received £38.75 to be precise for the phone i recycled and i couldnt get on ebay. I wasnt aware the ammount paid to charities had changed so i apologise for that.

Yes alot of phones you can sell on ebay, so go do that, if that is what you want to do.

I dont know how many p4c functions you have attended sofa or if in fact you attended the event for reece and how much you spent. But it isnt about the money you spend, its about getting away for a weekend, meeting people you play with on the internet and in the process raising money for a worthwhile cause. If people in actual fact turn up to these events when they say they are then maybe more money would be raised and the admin costs of the charity wouldnt be so bad, in proportion.

 This is the point i am trying to make

[Trace]

How many more times is he gonna be allowed to imply that the money has been stolen?

[sofa----king]

Ange is correct i received £38.75 to be precise for the phone i recycled and i couldnt get on ebay. I wasnt aware the ammount paid to charities had changed so i apologise for that.

Yes alot of phones you can sell on ebay, so go do that, if that is what you want to do.

I dont know how many p4c functions you have attended sofa or if in fact you attended the event for reece and how much you spent. But it isnt about the money you spend, its about getting away for a weekend, meeting people you play with on the internet and in the process raising money for a worthwhile cause. If people in actual fact turn up to these events when they say they are then maybe more money would be raised and the admin costs of the charity wouldnt be so bad, in proportion.

 This is the point i am trying to make

i have never attended any of the p4c events as to be honest ive allways thought that any money going to charity should get there ,i.e instead of spending it on hotels or booze OR WAGES AND ADMIN COSTS thats MY decision,,, BUT i have donated direct to the people that have needed it whenever there has been any fundraising to do with blonde members you can ask tony kendal,not that i need to explain what i do for charity but if you point the finger then i must answer.

[sofa----king]

How many more times is he gonna be allowed to imply that the money has been stolen?

WHO SAID STOLEN?YOU THERE BEST FRIEND,im saying it hasnt gone to charity its gone on other things,NOT CHARITY OK.

[Ginger]

How many more times is he gonna be allowed to imply that the money has been stolen?

I don't think he was implying that the money has been stolen, I think the point is, that we DON'T know where the money has gone... lack of transparency Trace, is what we are all saying.

[sofa----king]

How many more times is he gonna be allowed to imply that the money has been stolen?

I don't think he was implying that the money has been stolen, I think the point is, that we DON'T know where the money has gone... lack of transparency Trace, is what we are all saying.

THANKYOU ginger

[the-oneeye]

I am not pointing fingers in the slightest mate, i am just curious. I can understand everyones frustrations and i think the money going to reece should by now be resolved. I wish reece and all members of his family all the best. As for game4lifes admin costs, the %age may appear high as i have said several times now, but im sure it will be reviewed. The time it takes for money to be paid out by charities can be a long time sometime. If you google the way that children in need pay out money you may be suprised at how long it can take and they have a multy million pound income.

peace be with you all and a merry christmas and happy new year to you all

[sofa----king]

DIRECTED STRAIGHT AT TRACE,
trace you really think i got it in for p4c dont you?
i know these people have given time for charity
i know they have tried something new
and i know that it hasnt worked
that is what im trying to say to all here
its not working
whether you think they have stolen money from this charity or not money was not accounted for ,so in my eyes where has it gone ?
not on the intended purpose ok.

[thetank]

Flippancy aside, with the 0.3% club, I think there is a real problem here.

As i said the 70% admin costs of the charity is inreasonably high at the moment, but as a whole this charity is likely to have these expenses regardless. If threads are being generated around the internet saying what a rip off game4life is and interest declines further then im pretty sure that the expense ration will decline further.

This is probably true, which leads me to ask, at what point do they decide that what they are doing is not working and call it a day? When 70% becomes 100%? Has that point not arrived already?

To what extent are individual donations subsidizing these events? We will probably continue to cry out for a breakdown of how much was made at each event.

Davey has worked tirelessly over the past couple of years to try and make the game4life charity a success, giving the poker players of this country and the world a chance to give a little back to childrens charities. And if it isnt supported as much as it should be then that cant be helped.

Yes, he has done a lot, worked very hard, but if what he's doing isn't making money, the approach needs to be changed. Of course it's unfortunate that this is all being questioned when he is not at all well. I wish him the best of health. (While it appears as if I'm dissing him, to my credit I've succesfully resisted a huge temptation to use a variety of insulting analogies in this paragraph to assist me while making my point.)

From the section of the post quoted above, it would not be clear that the man didn't invent the whole concept of charity, and without him we would be spending all our money on chocolate underwear.

I'll be brief on that here, because I've already spokern of my opposition to that idea earlier, that the donaters themsleves are part of the equation, and may give to good causes regardless.
 



I do think that a poker charity is an excellent idea, if it can pool the generosity of poker players as a group. Too frequently the media image of the poker player is not a favourable one, it makes it harder for tabloids to cast dispersions upon our breed when it is clear to all the work we have done.

Voulunteers who donate their time and incur their own expenses in raising a bit through sponsorship, or running small scale poker tournamets in a rotary-style club, like the good work being done in Cornwall. Or through personal donations, be they as part of a one percent of winnings scheme or otherwise. There's no reason why money raised in this manner can't be passed on by a group of voluntary trustees in a poker charity, and this money be goven to good causes at a rate of 100 pennies to the pound. There's no doubt in my mind an organization centered around this idea could exceed 10 grand a year quite easily.




You can't tell me poker players arn't a generous bunch. Blaming the UK poker scene for not turning up to the events en masse is all well and good. Maybe they just get too much practise at seeking out value at the tables, so instinctively stay away from P4C.

[dik9]

i know they have tried something new
and i know that it hasnt worked
that is what im trying to say to all here
its not working

Tell these people it's not working? The Photo's in the thread are not there anymore, but they were amazing!

This is the first of two schools we are building and maintaining to replace ones lost to the Tsunami. Building has been hampered in recent months due to tensions in the Batticoloa region.

Work on the second school 'Jimmy's Game for Life School' (named after Angie's dad who passed last year whilst the plans for this project were being drawn up) will start shortly.

In addition we have a four classroom block (one of the classrooms called BlondePoker!) at the SANGA Medium school in Nepal.

We will look to start further projects when funds are available.

The Ironside's Game for Life School cost £2500 to construct and fit out. Future ones will probs be closer to £3000. Still a argain in my book.

The cost of maintaining each school is £60 / month although we are budgetting at £75 / month to be on the safe side. We are committed to all our projects indeffinently.

The little things really do matter. It costs just £5 / month to sponsor a child to ensure a child receives a full education - PM me for further details.

I just want to sayThankyouto everyone who has supported the cause and of course IRONSIDE who is quite simply a star   

Dave and Ang, you must be very disheartened at this thread, but i urge you to continue with the excellent effort you both have put in to this. I agree that it should be transparant and sure that the details shall in time be posted on your forum for all that care to see, can examine and decide for themselves. I am at a loss as to why a weekly wage of £155 can be disputed, after the time and effort put in by yourselves.

Admin costs do seem a bit high, but can totally understand them with our present legal system and gaming laws, and the amount of times you have been let down after incurring expenses to travel to meetings to arrange events and being let down by third parties time after time.

Get well soon both.

Maureen, Reece and Stacey, my prayers are with you all, and hope that some light will eventually be seen at the end of the tunnel. My best wishes for a hopeful future. x.

For those people that have turned their back on P4C, if it makes you feel better buy a present for Christmas and take it down to a children's hospice and see the smiles it generates.

Merry Christmas All

[tikay]

One more point, then I must go to bed.

I cannot see why the second years figures will only be 30p in the pound, for this reason :

The first year will involve alot of legal and professional fees - these can be very expensive.

The second year would not have these expenses, so the ratio of donations/money given to good causes should be better.

Maybe Tony got the wrong end of the stick? I dont know, but would be VERY suprised to see the 2nd year the same as the first.

Again, I am not voicing any personal opinion I have, just trying to give the benefit of my knowledge.

Hi Paul,

I am sorry to say that the quoted (& estimated) figure of £0.30 in the £1 for Year Two IS correct, & will be confirmed by Jagster & Tony Banbury if you wish to contact them direct. Believe me, every word I type on this thread is double & triple checked for accuracy! If only I DID have the wrong end of the stick! Feel free to validate my figures with Andy (blondeite The Jagster) or Tony Banbury.

The reasons for the disappointing % in Year Two was accurately described by James (Flushy) in a Post two or three after yours. Lower revenues were the cause, & with fixed costs remaining "as was" the result was, inevitably, the lower %.

[tikay]

Guys, MUCH progress has been made in a week. Maureen has a cheque on the way to her, we have secured much improved transparency, and you guys now know enough to make your own decisions in advance of any donations you may wish to make. As a side note, we have all learned much about the world of Charity, & will, as a result, give more selectively in future. (I am talking ALL charities now).

The thread has been exemplary, especially considering it's such an emotive issue.

Please lets keep the thread cool & reasoned, then we will be able to continue the debate in a constructive way. And surely we all want that - it's good to talk!