No Hello, just P4C.

[Royal Flush]

NO I WONT STOP royal flush ireally think you should take a long look at the whole topic mate

When did i ask you to stop?

[sofa----king]

remember what the HULK used to say......................

"I've ripped my pants again?"

youd chit yours if you could see me now,im just starting to go green

If you hit me and I find out about it.......

i would never hit you i like you in fact i think i love you xxxxxx your cool.....in a type of cool way....sort of    lol

[tikay]

I saw Tank's reasoned, eloquent & even-handed (imo) Post before I went offline this evening, in fact I approved it's publication, & it was agreed to put it on a new thread to keep it seperate from the sometimes over-emotional stuff elsewhere - after all, it's facts that are needed, not rhetoric.

I have come back online totally dismayed that the thread seems to have developed into a mud-slinging contest.

Clearly, Trace has become, the de facto Spokesperson for P4C, & let's be right, that's very noble of her. But to me it's unedifying, & smacks of a lynch mob mentatlity - I don't like it at all. OK, I know, emotions are running high, it's an emotive subject, but to see everyone attacking Trace I find just horrible.

Then again, how has this come to be allowed? Who, in their right mind, would allow a lone person, male or female, and not formally connected to the Charity or Ltd Company, to be almost the sole defender of what's happened, while an entire organisation stands behind her totally silent?

This is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

My relationship with Andy (Jagster) & Tony Banbury is just fine. We met, exchanged views fairly & honestly, & got started on clearing up the "mess"/lack of transparency. They both know, & agreed, that this issue is not, not NEVER, EVER, going to go away until some transparency arises. Facts & figures, lots of them, all of them, are needed, together with explanations.

The whole affair has been characterised by a quite startling lack of information from P4C. As long as this remains the case, one can only speculate as to why the silence. And the longer it continues "as is", the wider the concerns become disseminated, it's now starting to appear on other Poker Fora.

I do think that Andy (Jagster), &/or Tony Banbury, (BigSlick?) need to Post on blonde, come up with some facts & figures, & clean answers. They were, I believe, wholly straight with Tom & I when we met in Stoke last week, & done themselves, & P4C, much good by giving us some facts, even though some of the facts were unpalatable.

More of the same is needed, even if the answers are not what the blondes/donors want to hear P4C MUST give them something to chew on. This Corporate silence, interrupted only by the lone voice of Trace defending them (&, one imagines, being briefed by them on a Post to Post basis) is just not gonna work, & is so wrong.

I just cant get comfortable with this "baiting" of the lone defender. Equally, P4C should not allow that circumstance to arise. Come on, P4C, do the decent thing & make your case properly. We are talking Registered Charity here, so it's a must, & the Accounts of Game for Life Enterprises Ltd are, presumably, now in the public domain.

I don't want to see this "baiting" continue, but if P4C don't Post, it's tough to see what will stop it, even though I don't approve.

Come on Andy, Tony, time to step up to the plate, & lets get this affair put to bed. Until you do comment, the speculation will continue.

[sofa----king]

NO I WONT STOP royal flush ireally think you should take a long look at the whole topic mate

When did i ask you to stop?

sorry but id already wrote it and i wasnt doing it again so you got the brunt of it sorry lol and you didnt ask me to stop.....

[Royal Flush]

NO I WONT STOP royal flush ireally think you should take a long look at the whole topic mate

When did i ask you to stop?

sorry but id already wrote it and i wasnt doing it again so you got the brunt of it sorry lol and you didnt ask me to stop.....

Ok and as for the topic as a whole we have talked through PM's and through the board and i think you know how i feel about things, i am just trying to help in the understanding of the cost the Cardiff event. Buffet too much, Trophies too much, hotels and van reasonable.

[sofa----king]

I saw Tank's reasoned, eloquent & even-handed (imo) Post before I went offline this evening, in fact I approved it's publication, & it was agreed to put it on a new thread to keep it seperate from the sometimes over-emotional stuff elsewhere - after all, it's facts that are needed, not rhetoric.

I have come back online totally dismayed that the thread seems to have developed into a mud-slinging contest.

Clearly, Trace has become, the de facto Spokesperson for P4C, & let's be right, that's very noble of her. But to me it's unedifying, & smacks of a lynch mob mentatlity - I don't like it at all. OK, I know, emotions are running high, it's an emotive subject, but to see everyone attacking Trace I find just horrible.

Then again, how has this come to be allowed? Who, in their right mind, would allow a lone person, male or female, and not formally connected to the Charity or Ltd Company, to be almost the sole defender of what's happened, while an entire organisation stands behind her totally silent?

This is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

My relationship with Andy (Jagster) & Tony Banbury is just fine. We met, exchanged views fairly & honestly, & got started on clearing up the "mess"/lack of transparency. They both know, & agreed, that this issue is not, not NEVER, EVER, going to go away until some transparency arises. Facts & figures, lots of them, all of them, are needed, together with explanations.

The whole affair has been characterised by a quite startling lack of information from P4C. As long as this remains the case, one can only speculate as to why the silence. And the longer it continues "as is", the wider the concerns become disseminated, it's now starting to appear on other Poker Fora.

I do think that Andy (Jagster), &/or Tony Banbury, (BigSlick?) need to Post on blonde, come up with some facts & figures, & clean answers. They were, I believe, wholly straight with Tom & I when we met in Stoke last week, & done themselves, & P4C, much good by giving us some facts, even though some of the facts were unpalatable.

More of the same is needed, even if the answers are not what the blondes/donors want to hear P4C MUST give them something to chew on. This Corporate silence, interrupted only by the lone voice of Trace defending them (&, one imagines, being briefed by them on a Post to Post basis) is just not gonna work, & is so wrong.

I just cant get comfortable with this "baiting" of the lone defender. Equally, P4C should not allow that circumstance to arise. Come on, P4C, do the decent thing & make your case properly. We are talking Registered Charity here, so it's a must, & the Accounts of Game for Life Enterprises Ltd are, presumably, now in the public domain.

I don't want to see this "baiting" continue, but if P4C don't Post, it's tough to see what will stop it, even though I don't approve.

Come on Andy, Tony, time to step up to the plate, & lets get this affair put to bed. Until you do comment, the speculation will continue.

well done tony atlast a great question by the owner of this site..........you are right about trace but if she do stand as a forefront then things will be directed at her imho....your last comment was the best ive seen well done....i am now going back to a paler shade of fleshy colour....

[TightEnd]

I liked my Cardiff trophy, but no way is it worth its share of £170...

buffet too much

less of an issue with hotels and van.



I feel sorry for Trace too, she's obviously a passionmate defender of her friends and an organisation she believes in. I would criticise those that are leaving her out to dry.

The yearning for fully transparent figures is not going away.

[ariston]

While I agree with what you say tony if Trace has put herelf in the crosshairs shes going to get shot down every now and then. It isn't fair that she is the lone voice on here for P4C but she's a big girl and has decided to take on the mantel herself. Some of her posts have been less than diplomatic so we respond accordingly. If we got the answers that we seek then maybe they could salvage something out of the debacle. Please step up and do the right thing P4C because if you leave it much longer it will be too late to salvage anything.

I've had a few PMs asking me why I keep referring to her as bernard and it is not anything unflattering about Trace it is just me continuing the comment on the other thread about her being less diplomatic a spokesperson than bernard manning or chubby brown. If I had started referring to her as chubby people would've assumed I was being offensive for the sake of it so I started referring to her as bernard (as in manning). Trace does get the "joke" as she has changed her avatar to chubby brown and if she had thought I was being offensive to her for the sake of it she would have pm'd me I can assure you.

[M3boy]

Why should (IF Trace decides to speak for P4C) she be attacked on a personal level?

This to me seems unfair to say the very least, and does NOT help things. All it does is start s slanging match again, which no one wants, or should want.

I posted on here (yes at Aristons expense) to "lighten" the tone of the thread.

[sofa----king]

NO I WONT STOP royal flush ireally think you should take a long look at the whole topic mate

When did i ask you to stop?

sorry but id already wrote it and i wasnt doing it again so you got the brunt of it sorry lol and you didnt ask me to stop.....

Ok and as for the topic as a whole we have talked through PM's and through the board and i think you know how i feel about things, i am just trying to help in the understanding of the cost the Cardiff event. Buffet too much, Trophies too much, hotels and van reasonable.

ok m8 im sorry i think you just got the brunt of it... i had to go back to the 9th of dec you last pm  me and i see what you say,ive had ssssssoooooo many pms on this you wouldnt believe

[Royal Flush]

NO I WONT STOP royal flush ireally think you should take a long look at the whole topic mate

When did i ask you to stop?

sorry but id already wrote it and i wasnt doing it again so you got the brunt of it sorry lol and you didnt ask me to stop.....

Ok and as for the topic as a whole we have talked through PM's and through the board and i think you know how i feel about things, i am just trying to help in the understanding of the cost the Cardiff event. Buffet too much, Trophies too much, hotels and van reasonable.

ok m8 im sorry i think you just got the brunt of it... i had to go back to the 9th of dec you last pm  me and i see what you say,ive had ssssssoooooo many pms on this you wouldnt believe

NP i know you mean well!

[tikay]

I think a word about Flushy is in order, too.

He's aligned himself with P4C for a long time, & done, I'd guess, more to promote their cause than almost anyone, & probably donated as much as anyone, also.

This "affair" is hurting him badly. He's not implicated in any way whatsoever, let's be quite clear on that. He's trying to keep things in perspective, trying to keep "balance", to help Trace defend the cause maybe, but this is just wrong, too.

He & I chatted when this first blew up. All I can say (publicly) is this - he knows how many beans make 5, and my respect for him has increased 100% - he's still trying to defend what seems, without the official facts, the indefensible.

More reasons, it seems to me, for Andy or Tony to take over, & comment officially. It's wrong that guys like Flushy have to do the job, he's done enough already.

[ariston]

does anyone else find it interesting that almost all of the time this and the other thread has been running there are always "hidden"/guest users viewing them. Come on join blonde and give your two penneth worth, maybe you have been to one of the events and have questions.

then again there may be a more obvious answer as to who the guests are, I wouldnt know

[The Camel]

I played in two P4C events at Newcastle.

For one, Thomas Kremser was TD.

Now, I like the "other" tk. But failed to see the reason for flying him over from Austria paying him and Marina wages and expenses to run a £10 rebuy comp. I said so at the time and I say so again.

I also found it astonishing that when they when P4C ran a tournament in London Gutshot charged them over a grand (can't remember the exact figure) to hire out their cardroom.

I think P4C overreached itself. It tried to be too big, having tournaments and events all over the country, when it would have been better served as a localised charity.

Even better, P4C should just have run online tournaments where expenses would have been virtually zero and all the money raised could go to charity.

Live and learn. Assuming P4C folds, hopefully a more streamlined organisation can take its place, because running charity poker events is a great way to raise money for good causes.

[RED-DOG]

I think a word about Flushy is in order

 my respect for him has increased 100%

My respect for him has also increased 100%. It now stands at 0.02