No Hello, just P4C.

[I KNOW IT]

Has anyone from P4C recently recieved a Peerage or Knighthood by any chance?

[suzanne]

I was one of the FIRST if you look back on Maureens thread to say WTF is going on and I like the rest of the forum have waited for answers.

Maureen/Stacey and Reece have now received what they were owed due to the issue being raised on Blonde and a big thank you have to go out to all who were involved in putting this right. There was I agree a HUGE question mark as to why they did not receive the money sooner and this has obviously done p4c damage that might be irreversible but I hope not.

They will in the near future put up account figures and then its down to the individual as to whether they will continue to support p4c or not. I will make up my mind when I know ALL the fact.

I would like to say though that quite honestly whether your intentions be good or bad I for one am getting a bit tired of the Ariston - sofa---king tag slagging off team going on here.

You have both admitted that neither of you have given a brass farthing to p4c so why dont you both back off for a bit and let those that do/have supported p4c decide what they want to do.

Over and out...wish me luck in the 2.5k xxxxxxxxx

^^^all above was typed before I crashed out.

Nice post tikay

[TightEnd]

I played in two P4C events at Newcastle.

For one, Thomas Kremser was TD.

Now, I like the "other" tk. But failed to see the reason for flying him over from Austria paying him and Marina wages and expenses to run a £10 rebuy comp. I said so at the time and I say so again.

I also found it astonishing that when they when P4C ran a tournament in London Gutshot charged them over a grand (can't remember the exact figure) to hire out their cardroom.

I think P4C overreached itself. It tried to be too big, having tournaments and events all over the country, when it would have been better served as a localised charity.

Even better, P4C should just have run online tournaments where expenses would have been virtually zero and all the money raised could go to charity.

Live and learn. Assuming P4C folds, hopefully a more streamlined organisation can take its place, because running charity poker events is a great way to raise money for good causes.

hits a very large nail on the head!

[Newmanseye]

OoooooooooK........

I dissappear to play online games and comeback to this!

I think i will leave well alone as anything i contribute will only fan the flames.

Billy

[barhell]

They have their fixed costs, and they try and raise as much as they can.

It's not as if they take all donations, and decide to spend 70% of them.


The issue as I see it is could these fixed costs be trimmed right down. A poker tournament raising 1.8k should be put on for less than 900 quid?

like my post said that i took down this is similar and not copied from p4c site
    
£320 on a buffet i reckon that all wouldda rather-ed money go to good cause
nearly £270 on hotels and a room for a tournament director?wtf ,,,,wsop?
nearly £170 on 9 trophies for final table ...ridiculous in my eyes
nearly £190 on hire of a van and tables which p4c already own both of but they decided to hire them ?
this is almost £1000 i dont think should have been spent on this small tourney
if I'm wrong I'm wrong  but i don't think so.......
but as having had my own business since i was 14 this is not good accounting i

Just to mention about the van in cornwall and tables connected with cosmo clubs cornwall, i believe (don't quote me) that cosmo clubs may have been started after the cardifff event. Although i may be wrong.

[byronkincaid]

Didn't Grosvenor ban the P4C owners because they were taking punters out of the their casinos for the occasional charity do? Doesn't AlrightJack work either directly or indirectly or at the very least have strong business links with Grosvenor?

Most people commenting have genuine questions about what their money has been used for. Is that only the case with AlrightJack?

Just wondering.

[tikay]

Didn't Grosvenor ban the P4C owners because they were taking punters out of the their casinos for the occasional charity do? Doesn't AlrightJack work either directly or indirectly or at the very least have strong business links with Grosvenor?

Most people commenting have genuine questions about what their money has been used for. Is that only the case with AlrightJack?

Just wondering.

It seems to be common knowledge that some principals of P4C are banned by Grosvenor, but it's unlikely that there has been any official reason given for this, as Grosvenor are not in the habit of justifying or explaining the reason for bans they place on Members.

Lots of folks hold Charity Events without getting banned by Casino Groups.

Yes, Alright Jack (Jonathan Raab) is closely connected with Blue Square, who are in the same ownership as Grosvenor Casinos. I believe his "interest" in this matter is entirely genuine, & wholly unrelated to his business relationship with Grosvenor. You may not be aware that Blue Square were a Sponsor of the P4C ICHUC Events, & as such, donated a lot of cash to P4C, mainly via paying travelling expenses, hotel costs, & buying shirts, for those taking part. This enabled all the money raised at these events to go straight to P4C (& their Charity Partners), as Blue Square had picked up all the expenses. Sadly Blue Square parted company with P4C recently, when, if I understand it correctly, Blue Square felt unable to continue to support P4C.

So I do think Alright Jack has a genuine reason to have an "interest" in this matter, he has contributed a great deal to P4C.

[byronkincaid]

seems weird to me that a company would ban them with one arm and sponsor them with an other.

[Ginger]

The first time that I met Jonathan was at the Xmas P4C event in Nottingham 2004, he actually went on to win that event. He has also played at other events in the past, so like many of us he has personally donated to P4C.

[tikay]

seems weird to me that a company would ban them with one arm and sponsor them with an other.

Well that's not quite correct, it's not like that.

P4C are NOT banned by Grosvenor, one or more individuals connected with P4C ARE.

And Blue Square, who used to sponsor some P4C Events operate entirely autonomously from Grosvenor, & I imagine the Gaming Commission & Compliance would ensure the reltionship was squeaky clean.

I am not sure where this "line" is going, but I believe Alright Jack & Blue Square have behaved entirely properly, there is no evidence to suggest otherwise, & no lack of transparency whatsoever as to what they have done, when, & for how much.

[AlrightJack]

I'm rather busy at the moment and will comment fully later, but Tikay's posts are largely correct regarding my/Blue Square's relationship with P4C.

[matt674]

I'm rather busy at the moment and will comment fully later,

now your beginning to sound like P4C..........

 

(just joking )

[AlrightJack]

I'm rather busy at the moment and will comment fully later,

now your beginning to sound like P4C..........

 

(just joking )

lol

18 days and counting. nah, i'd have forgotten the question by then.

[matt674]

what question

[AlrightJack]

what question