No Hello, just P4C.

[TightEnd]

Ariston, sofa


IMHO various mods, myself, RED and tikay in particular have been critical in a lot of areas on P4C and have posted as such

However we also have a responsibility to this site as Moderators to ensure that we uphold the values of the forum, so we remain even handed and moderate as best as we can.

Believe me, these threads are not simple...for every person who contacts us to say "why did you delete that?" there is one who says "Why did you leave that up, it goes too far?" about another post.  

Last night some of the attitudes expressed on this thread went beyond what was acceptable to some but NOT to others. IMO the more P4C gets harangued relatively unconstructively, the longer progress will take.

That is why I hope that any criticisms mods make are expressed constructively, and I beleive that has been the case.

[portfolio]

I'm sorry, but some of the haranguing in this thread and others has crossed the line into bullying IMHO, I'm not saying you did it deliberately, but this is getting a mob feel about it. If you feel insulted or slandered then I'm sorry, you can PM me anytime and we can discuss it.

I'd welcome anyone who has a problem asking their question to PM any Mod and ask them to post the question.

 

[ariston]

good post tighty and I will react to that one and tone it down better than one branding me a bully. The only time p4c was bullied was they were bullied into giving Maureen, Reece and Stacey what they were entitled to and for that I offer no apology.

[TightEnd]

and, to repeat what has been posted by myself and others earlier in this thread

It remains my view that I feel sorry for Trace who, IMO, has been hung out to dry by those in authority at P4C by having to post as a friend of the principals but isn't an official spokesperson. We might not agree with her, she might even say things in a way we wouldn't, but at least she fronted up.

The main failing here on this thread, beyond the wide concerns about P4C, is the complete absence of PR, damage control and updating from those within P4C in a position to do so. I accept that there are some reasons, including iillness, why thbis might be so to begin with but do not consider it acceptable to put Trace in the front line repeatedly.

My point, is that if you, we, in effect harangue them, then they will feel less inclined to answer.

[Acidmouse]

This is a forum for people to express their personal views on many different subjects, its kinda lame to do things for others on a forum for whatever reason.

That go's against the very nature of a forum?

pss Pm all your nasty questions you want asking to stir up shit.

[ariston]

I have taken the mickey of Trace but not attacked her, there is a difference. As most on Blonde know I was good friends with her at one stage so there is no bad feeling or malice towards her. When she is the sole voice defending p4c on here she is bound to get some flack though. Shame on p4c for putting her up as the scapegoat if you ask me, its about time someone officially involved started to give answers instead of relying on "friends".

[Dingdell]

I have just spent some time reading this.

I feel that time is marching on and answers are still not forthcoming.

Rather than go back through so may pages does anyone, off the top of their head, have any idea as to when we were to be expecting further answers? Or are we expecting any answers at all?

Does P4C think that now that the Maureengate issue has been dealt with (ish) that they have no further responsibility to answer questions from this forum?

I ask this not to be provocative - just because I genuinely don't know where we are with this.

Are we entitled to any more information - P4C doesn't have to answer anything if they don't want to surely? I think it's a given that most members here won't get involved with the charity until they have more info, but some are keen to resume donations in some cases. Has P4C given up with the idea of wooing any blonde members back?

[ariston]

Are we entitled to any more information - P4C doesn't have to answer anything if they don't want to surely?

Depends who asks. Maybe the charities commision would get a better response than any of us. I am sure they will be aware of the issues raised on here by now as I know of several people who have informed them about this and the other thread.

[tikay]

Guys, COOL IT.

I said this last night (well, at about 0300 this morning).....


"......I don't want to see this "baiting" continue, but if P4C don't Post, it's tough to see what will stop it, even though I don't approve.

Come on Andy, Tony, time to step up to the plate, & lets get this affair put to bed. Until you do comment, the speculation will continue......"

Well they have not responded, but let's be fair here, maybe they have not seen it.

I'm gonna do something rather than just join in the moaning - I shall drop a note to Andy (Jagster) & Tony Banbury (BigSlick) & give them a link to this thread.

Please - PLEASE - give them 24 hours or so to respond.

I hate this one-sided stuff, I really do.

[tikay]

Wow, I asked for some time, & you gave us it - the POWER!

OK, I PM'd Andy & Tony, & Andy rung me. He is driving right now, but someone saw my Forum Post & contacted him presumably.

He is offline for a while, maybe until tomorrow, but he will Post then.

So please back off with the "why don't P4C respond?" until he does. That's not to say you can't continue the debate, you can, but they ARE going to Post, so that's good.

If someone wants to simply & even-handedly Post a little "bullet-pointed" summary of the questions that need answering -  fairly, not aggresively - I imagine that would help, too.

Thanks.

Andy also suggested that Davey Newth has a family member who is very unwell, & so he is down in Cardiff on "family duties". I think we should bear that in mind.

I am offline now for a good while, all evening maybe, but my Moby is on if anyone wants to speak to me urgently on this matter.

[bobby1]

I feel I want to post on this thread for a couple of reasons.

I think the heartfelt/emotive posts by some people on this (and the other) thread are to be applauded but those posts need to be fair and I do think some of them have crossed a line in a small way. If progress and answers are achieved then some of this progress will have come from the hardline threads as well as the gentle requests so on balance providing nobody is personally insulted I think both styles have a place.


I have one uncomfortable feeling at the moment. The original charity event at the Western was to help a young man that is very ill and ease the pain of his family that are under extreme duress during these bad times. I know this hasn't worked out very well at all and I am saddened that Maureen's family have had to wait so long for their donation but please remember this, Davey is  ill at the moment and I imagine his family and close friends are having a bad time at the moment too.

 What I am trying to say is it wouldn't be in very good spirit to support a charity day for a person that is very ill, who's family are needing support from friends and then add more stress and hurt to a person(Davey) and their family and friends when they are also ill.

If there has been neglect of duties in running P4C I am sure this will come to light and as long as the finances are all present and correct we shouldn't be hard on a man and his family if the good work they have done has got out of hand and records have not been updated or as transparent as they could have been.

Remember, good has been done by the charity but I do share the same feelings as most regarding the issues and % per pound that has gone to these causes.

regards

[Royal Flush]

Didn't Grosvenor ban the P4C owners because they were taking punters out of the their casinos for the occasional charity do? Doesn't AlrightJack work either directly or indirectly or at the very least have strong business links with Grosvenor?

Most people commenting have genuine questions about what their money has been used for. Is that only the case with AlrightJack?

Just wondering.

Jon was very instrumental in getting money to P4C, he sponsored the first ICHUC aswell as attending a number of P4C events. Blue Square supported P4C AFTER Davey and Angie were banned from the casino chain, Jon is also not a direct employee of Blue Square any more so i believe his questions are coming from him and not a snipe from Rank. Also if you knew the guy you would know he is an honest fella!

I thought i would also add that at the WHU festival in Barca last year i came to Jon with a proposal that a few of us who were going down for it would wear BSQ clothing whenever we were playing poker in return for a donation to P4C. Jon had a very hard sell to BSQ to get them to agree to this as it was unlikely to yield much exposure for blue square, however, Jon somehow convinced his bosses after hours of trying and thus secured a sizeable donation.

I guess what i am saying is Jon is like a lot of people on this thread, in the past a big supporter of P4C who is now feeling a little confused and upset at the way P4C has been managed.


Anyhow peace out.


P.S. Bobby1, good most m8.

[byronkincaid]

cheeers flushy

[action man]

nice most pal

oh and 

[The Big Slick]

Hi.

I am not a big user of forums and never have been (see number of posts on this forum), but was made aware of this thread by a friend who contacted me, and am replying as soon as i could have done.

After the meeting with Tony & Tom we (Andy & myself) asked Davey for financial information to be sent to us. This has not been done as Davey is in Wales to be with his father who is very ill.

When Davey does return and sends said information Andy & I will, at the first opportunity, go through that information.  But please understand both Andy & I have our own business' to run and cannot - and I mean no offence to anyone - drop everything to pamper to members of this forum.  We too want to see this resolved as soon as possible, and will do this as quickly as possible.

I must express disappointment at the way Trace has been treated by some posters on this thread, and appreciate Tokay's comments on the matter.  I as a trustee have not "Hung her out to dry", and resent that accusation.  It is simply that I do not sit at a computer all day posting on forums.

As for the subtle digs at me personally, I too have broad shoulders !

May I wish you all a Merry Christmas & a happy New Year.

Tony Banbury