Bad table selection but good hands

[totalise]

no value to the bet, you get c/r by all better hands and when you are ahead vill has a mas of 12.5% equity which the bet isn't worth.

LOL

[booder]

no value to the bet, you get c/r by all better hands and when you are ahead vill has a mas of 12.5% equity which the bet isn't worth.

damn...thats what i was gonna say   

Is it because 1 + 6 + 6 = 13 and that is unlucky?

 

[snoopy1239]

and when you are ahead vill has a mas of 12.5% equity which the bet isn't worth.

Hi

Please could you elaborate on the above part of your statement so I can undertsand better.

cheers

[theplayer_uk]

alright, his opponents equity in the pot = 12.5%, (when we have best hand with JJ)

12.5% x (lets say the pot is 100) = 12.5$

if he bets, he would bet say 66 (2/3), so he is betting 66 to protect 12.5 which is bas obviously.

We would need to have the best hand >80% of the time for this protection bet to be worthwhile IF we aren't going to put any more money into the pot.

We probably aren't this good, and I haven't worked out his bet size but it could easily be more than (2/3)

Hope that explains a bit more.

[booder]

to do these calculations , do you use


a......pen and paper
b.....abacus
c......calculator
d.....computer
e.....your head
f......none of the above

[SupaMonkey]

alright, his opponents equity in the pot = 12.5%, (when we have best hand with JJ)

12.5% x (lets say the pot is 100) = 12.5$

if he bets, he would bet say 66 (2/3), so he is betting 66 to protect 12.5 which is bas obviously.

We would need to have the best hand >80% of the time for this protection bet to be worthwhile IF we aren't going to put any more money into the pot.

We probably aren't this good, and I haven't worked out his bet size but it could easily be more than (2/3)

Hope that explains a bit more.

So if a blank falls on the end and your opponent bets, do you call in DC's shoes (after checking the turn behind your oppo). i.e. have you already put your oppo on an overpair from his preflop reraise and if so, why call the flop bet? If you do call on the end what is the max size fo bet you are willing to call?

I ask because i would use a 2/3rds pot bet on the turn when i am trying to define my hand a little more. Don't you think the check behind on the turn induces a bluff and makes your river decision harder? Or am i just chatting bollox (ps i don't play cash).

[Royal Flush]

I ask because i would use a 2/3rds pot bet on the turn when i am trying to define my hand

 

You put in a 1/4 of your stack to 'define your hand'

What the hell do you need to define, you have JJ.


Will everyone stop trying to make poker so damn complicated, its a simple game!

[totalise]

alright, his opponents equity in the pot = 12.5%, (when we have best hand with JJ)

12.5% x (lets say the pot is 100) = 12.5$

if he bets, he would bet say 66 (2/3), so he is betting 66 to protect 12.5 which is bas obviously.

We would need to have the best hand >80% of the time for this protection bet to be worthwhile IF we aren't going to put any more money into the pot.

We probably aren't this good, and I haven't worked out his bet size but it could easily be more than (2/3)

Hope that explains a bit more.

but you have that 87.5% equity in any bet that is called on the turn, and despite your protestations that everyone plays perfect poker, there is a more then zero percent chance that people are calling when you have the best hand. You also want to bet in these spots when you cant ever get another $$ out of your opponent unless he improves (ie, he isn't gonna bluff the river if he doesn't improve)  and when people like Byron are 3-betting loose, you dont want to sacrifice your 87% of the pot for free when he could have shit like underpairs/flush draws/pair+gutshot/overcards and other such filth. He might well never call when you have the best hand, but its still better to protect your equity in the pot then to give someone infinite odds to take it away from you, especially if you are going to call a bet on the river anyways.

In simple terms, put yourself in Byrons spot. You are 3-betting light. Are you happy or sad to see someone check the turn here with JJ. Normally if you make a good player happy, you are making a mistake.

[theplayer_uk]

this is the hard part, It is hard to explain in a post and it is opponent and game dynamic specific.

Most of the time it is a river fold unless your opponent is too aggressive. In most cases this is not true and I think that the river bet is usually for value.

I think DC misplayed 2 streets in this hand. One pretty badly and one very badly.

[theplayer_uk]

I don't think you know how byron plays and if you did and you knew DC would bet JJ here you would be very happy.

[snoopy1239]

Does anyone else feel as thick I do? 

[totalise]

I don't think you know how byron plays and if you did and you knew DC would bet JJ here you would be very happy.

you might be rite, I only played with Bryon once and thats when i went to play him on Absolute, and he was 3 betting for fun. If he really is so tight that his 3-bet range embraces JJ putting money in the pot here, then yes, betting JJ is a mistake.

[theplayer_uk]

he plays 10/8

[snoopy1239]

Fascinating thread though, player_uk's comments are genuinely intriguing when he elaborates.

[SupaMonkey]

Does anyone else feel as thick I do? 

Do i need to answer, lol.

I ask because i would use a 2/3rds pot bet on the turn when i am trying to define my hand

 

a) You put in a 1/4 of your stack to 'define your hand'

b) What the hell do you need to define, you have JJ.

a) I've never really tried this, i just assumed that everyone would take it as a Harrington probe bet and it wouldn't get me much info.

b) Your oppo has reraise you out of position preflop, surely the hand you hold is at the bottom of his range.