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« on: February 23, 2007, 06:31:01 PM »

Having given this hand some more thought, I had them on KQ and not a house already - presumably because I was ahead of KQ.


So, would anyone lay this down?


Game #3232902443: Hold'em NL (£1/£2) - 2007/02/23 - 13:52:23 (UK)
Table "Geisha" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Fiemille (£174.29 in chips)
Seat 2: rednesh (£195 in chips)
Seat 3: ChillBeer (£88.63 in chips)
Seat 4: fathead4 (£249.36 in chips)
Seat 5: TheWeak (£228 in chips)
Seat 6: M3Boy (£198 in chips)
ChillBeer: posts small blind £1
fathead4: posts big blind £2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to M3Boy [As ]
TheWeak: calls £2
M3Boy: raises to £8
Fiemille: calls £8
rednesh: folds
ChillBeer: folds
fathead4: calls £6
TheWeak: calls £6
----- FLOP ----- [three diamonds ]
fathead4: checks
TheWeak: checks
M3Boy: bets £20
Fiemille: folds
fathead4: calls £20
TheWeak: folds
----- TURN ----- [three diamonds ][]
fathead4: bets £80
M3Boy: raises to £170 and is all-in
fathead4: calls £90
----- RIVER ----- [three diamonds ][]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
M3Boy: shows [As ] (A Full House, Queens full of Aces)
fathead4: shows [ ] (A Full House, Eights full of Queens)
M3Boy collected £410 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £413 Main pot £410 Rake £3
Board [three diamonds ]
Seat 1: Fiemille folded on the Flop
Seat 2: rednesh (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ChillBeer (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: fathead4 (big blind) showed [ ] and lost with A Full House, Eights full of Queens
Seat 5: TheWeak folded on the Flop
Seat 6: M3Boy showed [As ] and won (£410) with A Full House, Queens full of Aces
****HAND ENDS****

I am asking because I got slated in the chat afterwards, and on reviewing the hand, a made full house is a likely holding, going by his bet, in the knowledge that I have a Queen.
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2007, 06:42:07 PM »

Well, the flat call on the flop is pretty telling... but I'd still have done the same as you.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2007, 07:11:38 PM »

I'm not good enough (or is it stupid enough?) to lay that down.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2007, 07:27:55 PM »

Is this not the hand that took place between Gus Hansen and Eric Siedel for $197,000 recently?

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 07:33:51 PM »

Never feels like enough opportunities to turn the tables on the poker gods.
Smile and make the most of it.

Double smile if it's made people more likely to call in the future.

(No I wouldn't have laid it down - it's one of those situations where you know you may be behind but it's going all in anyway)


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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2007, 07:36:21 PM »

nope, perfect turn card for you hand, if you playing 6 handed cash properly, you must go broke with this hand IMO, or lucksack the river, one of the 2
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2007, 07:40:38 PM »

nope, perfect turn card for you hand, if you playing 6 handed cash properly, you must go broke with this hand IMO, or lucksack the river, one of the 2

Cheers Pab

Cheers everyone else.

No disrespect to others, but really wanted Pab's opinion.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2007, 07:44:15 PM »

im still 'learning' a lot about cash games myself but thoroughly enjoying it!
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2007, 08:00:51 PM »

Is this not the hand that took place between Gus Hansen and Eric Siedel for $197,000 recently?

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Very similar but that came runner runner queen.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2007, 08:27:31 PM »

How do the words "lay down" enter your thought process with this hand?

He has led out for more than pot on the turn after calling the flop, this is rarely a FH as he scares shit load of action, he could be super scared of the FD or trying to find out if 99 is good, i give him credit for KQ/QJ/99 at best. Maybe even a FD putting pressure on you if you hold AA/KK (i imagine he has you down as a TAG) so when he bets out more than the pot on the turn i am thinking about vegas and the fucking Mirage rather than Kinnish's truck.....


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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2007, 09:13:05 PM »

He's outplayed you, you got lucky, next case.
Make sure you write down this example of luck Paul. Might make you feel better when the next abd beat comes along....................

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2007, 10:29:14 PM »

Does everyone agree if the stacks are bigger without that river you just call his bet on the end? I know with the stacks you have to go broke here but if they were much bigger i'm not sure i'd even be reraising the turn given what I had seen. I guess it would help if u'd noticed him play a set similarly on the flop before. Surely he would reraise the flop with KQ to find out where he is rather than just call down 3 bets in the hope it's good? Or am I being stupid? Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2007, 01:08:43 PM »

James, tbh im never laying this down. I asked cos i want to progress up the levels and it seems that winning players at high levels rarely loose big pots - from the games i have watched
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2007, 01:19:16 PM »

James, tbh im never laying this down. I asked cos i want to progress up the levels and it seems that winning players at high levels rarely loose big pots - from the games i have watched

I wish i could say this was true with me..................... but id be lying, lol

will try and explain a bit more why when im not playing 4 tables
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2007, 06:39:07 PM »

How do the words "lay down" enter your thought process with this hand?

He has led out for more than pot on the turn after calling the flop, this is rarely a FH as he scares shit load of action, he could be super scared of the FD or trying to find out if 99 is good, i give him credit for KQ/QJ/99 at best. Maybe even a FD putting pressure on you if you hold AA/KK (i imagine he has you down as a TAG)   (Pauls cash game is strangely the exact opposite of his tournament style) so when he bets out more than the pot on the turn i am thinking about vegas and the fucking Mirage rather than Kinnish's truck.....


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Would have to (sadly) disagree with this view. Plenty of intermediate level players (myself included) are learning that the slow-playing mentality is entirely void most of the time. When you get dealt massive hands you want to get paid massively. Most people are so worried about scaring off all the action that they slow play their hands and the pot doesnt get big enough for them to stack anyone. Leading out with made FH's, Quads and nut flushes is a nice play a lot of the time in cash games where you are always looking to stack someone.
Instead of thinking "how do i get paid without scaring off everyone". Your thought process should be "how do other really big hands pay me off when i hold the nuts/near nuts".
If the money is a lot deeper, i lay this down to the right player in an internet cash game but not here obv. What does he think you have? A Queen. Thats why he pots it. But @ 1/2 these players are rare............they have normally moved up.

 
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