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« on: May 23, 2007, 05:39:13 PM »

I hope Moorman doesn't mind me cross posting this from P5s but it created a lot of debate over there and figured it might over here too.

Full Tilt Poker Game #2479866567: $1K Monday (17684361), Table 13 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:31:31 ET - 2007/05/21

Seat 1: kamodadragon (2,590)

Seat 2: cumicon (3,155), is sitting out

Seat 3: rmedlin2 (2,090)

Seat 4: Rick the Trick (2,875)

Seat 5: DonTmaKeMEDoIT (3,000)

Seat 6: MoormanI (2,520)

Seat 7: Skill Game (4,700)

Seat 8: Liverpool811 (2,855), is sitting out

Seat 9: SirGutShot (6,370)

SirGutShot posts the small blind of 20

kamodadragon posts the big blind of 40

The button is in seat #8

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to MoormanI [ ]

cumicon folds

rmedlin2 folds

Rick the Trick folds

DonTmaKeMEDoIT raises to 120

MoormanI calls 120

Skill Game raises to 480

Liverpool811 folds

SirGutShot folds

kamodadragon folds

DonTmaKeMEDoIT calls 360

what do i do now? only read is skill game has been pretty agro so far.... most likely holding for him imo is ak.... i fear dontmakemedoit has aa or kk... results to follow.....
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2007, 05:51:21 PM »

Surely you should be re-raising pre?
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2007, 06:29:28 PM »

if dontmakemedoit has KK  or AA  as you suspect , surely he is reraising here rather than play  OOP  vs 2 opponents
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2007, 06:46:04 PM »

you FEAR they have AA or KK? by a 3 bet preflop from mid position and flat call of a raise? are they rockiest most green fish person in the world? i'm assuming they are else you wouldn't be able to make such a read. so yeah. flat call and min-raise him on the flop if he bets into a J high or lower board.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2007, 07:22:17 PM »

I think you need to trust your read and fold
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The very last hand of the night goes to Dewi James, who finds ACES and talks Raymond O’Mahoney into calling his all-in preflop bet of 15k.  “If I had AQ, I’d call!” says Dewi.  Raymond calls holding pocket 66’s.


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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2007, 10:03:25 PM »

Re-raising pre-flop gets some quality information about where your hand stands in the scheme of things.

By not raising Moorman misses out on this crucial information and gets caught in a squeeze play situation.

Skill Game could pick up A-J or 10-10 for example and decide to buy the pot. The blinds are still small, neither of his opponent's have shown much strength or commitment to this pot so the situation is right for this kind of move.

Later on when the pots are more juicy and the players are tighter then flat calling here is o.k....if a little risky. But early on when the blinds are small and players have a need to get involved far too readily I think a re-raise is definitely the order of the day.

If another raise comes in after this then our decision becomes easier. but more likely, only the original raiser calls and we go to the flop heads-up and with position.

What to do now? Well I am inclined to push all-in based on the fact that Skill Game could have made this move with a range of hands and the other guy only flat calls. So I would re-squeeze here. To flat call this action is not the best move because if either opponent has AA or KK they get the rest of my chips on a raggy flop anyway. So why give either the opportunity to catch something when you could realistically take the pot risk-free now? If we do get a caller we could often have the best of it and if we do find ourselves up against A-K then the extra value in the pot makes this a welcome gamble.

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2007, 08:23:02 PM »

reraise all in is in order
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2007, 08:27:06 PM »

I think you need to trust your read and fold
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2007, 10:27:50 PM »

is this a $1k buyin
or $1k gtd pot


id go for call if a grand buy in asses the flop

if a grand gtd ALL IN, reg for summit else
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2007, 10:30:16 PM »

I think you need to trust your read and fold


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The very last hand of the night goes to Dewi James, who finds ACES and talks Raymond O’Mahoney into calling his all-in preflop bet of 15k.  “If I had AQ, I’d call!” says Dewi.  Raymond calls holding pocket 66’s.


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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2007, 10:34:11 PM »

isee its $1000 buyin
ouch

its actually tougher than i thought
theres a case for allin,call or fold
in preferencial order id go for call, allin then fold
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2007, 03:40:06 AM »

is this a $1k buyin
or $1k gtd pot


id go for call if a grand buy in asses the flop

if a grand gtd ALL IN, reg for summit else

lol @ morman in a 1k gtd pot.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 08:33:00 AM »

is this a $1k buyin
or $1k gtd pot


id go for call if a grand buy in asses the flop

if a grand gtd ALL IN, reg for summit else

lol @ morman in a 1k gtd pot.

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 08:56:45 AM »

As this is a 1K buy-in I would be playing above my usual stakes. I'd call here though and spike the Q Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2007, 09:20:28 AM »

The problem with pushing now is that it will allow our opponents to play perfectly i.e the worst we will get called with is AK.

I doubt that the first player has AA but he could have KK.  I thnk his range is JJ+ or AK.  Second player TT+ or AK.  I would call and fold on a flop with an Ace or King.  On any other flop hopefully the 2nd player c bets and the first folds and I go AI, if he has AA or KK nh gg.
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