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« Reply #750 on: January 16, 2010, 02:54:43 PM »

Liverpool have been removed from Sky Sports schedule for the foreseeable future as 11 fannies getting pounded for 90 minutes every week is too explicit.

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« Reply #751 on: January 16, 2010, 03:45:32 PM »

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez: "The fans are amazing. If I decide to stay here it will be because of the fans. I will keep going. Sometimes you have bad moments and now is the time when we have to show character."

Bit arrogant considering the circumstances. Is it really going to be his choice?
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« Reply #752 on: January 16, 2010, 03:54:01 PM »

wtf is happening, so sick, it just doesnt end!!
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« Reply #753 on: January 16, 2010, 04:14:43 PM »

wow just seen Rafa's post match interview on Sky ... he has fkin lost the plot.
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« Reply #754 on: January 16, 2010, 05:10:02 PM »

Strangely after a few weeks of bad decisions he got it right today with Krygiakos and the full backs playing in front of full backs.

The Spurs game is the one. I don't even think a draw would be ok now.

And by all accounts Babel is going to Sunderland for Jones.
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« Reply #755 on: January 16, 2010, 05:11:09 PM »

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez: "The fans are amazing. If I decide to stay here it will be because of the fans. I will keep going. Sometimes you have bad moments and now is the time when we have to show character."

Bit arrogant considering the circumstances. Is it really going to be his choice?

I dunno but that comment kinda smacks of him losing the dressing room.
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« Reply #756 on: January 16, 2010, 05:24:03 PM »

Has anyone got the numbers on what Rafa has spent and recieved for players over the last 5 seasons

Here you go sir.

A top post from Paul Jones, who wrote the Times Fanzone articles:

The full list of players Rafa's signed since he's been at the club (please read the summary below):

2004/05

£2m - Josemi: peanuts and was moved on in a swap for Kromkamp 18 months later
£1.5m - Antonio Nunez: part of the Michael Owen deal and filled a gap for a while. Peanuts.
£10.7m - Xabi Alonso: Massive success and sold for £30m+ in the summer when he wanted to leave
£6m - Luis Garcia: Massive success and sold to Athletico Madrid for £4m
Free - Pelligrino: Stop gap that allowed us to rest Sami for league games, benefitting us massively in Istanbul. Now on the coaching staff.
£6.3m - Fernando Morientes: Pretty much everyone made up when we signed him, top class, but never settled. Sold for £3m to Valencia.
£1m - Scott Carson: One the most highly rated young keepers around. Lost out through injury and signing of Reina when Dudek left the club. Sold for £3.25m.

Total bought: £27.5m

Free - Marcus Babbel: Released to Stuttgart at the end of his career.
£2.5m - Danny Murphy: Xabi Alonso signed to fill the role Murphy had in the side
£8.5m - Michael Owen: Wouldn't sign a new contract and sold before he left on a free. He's done nothing since that is a masterstroke with hindsight.
Free - Stephane Henchoz: Released to Celtic at the end of his career

Total sold: £11m

A total of £16.5m net spend in his first year at the club, with the vast majority of that being spent on Xabi Alonso.

2004/05 net spend: £16.5m

2005/06

£240,000 - Antonio Barragan: Kid for the future. Sold for £675,000 to Deportivo a year later.
Free - Boudewijn Zenden: Signed for nothing and released for nothing. Did a job for us.
£6m - Pepe Reina: In the top 3 or 4 keepers in the world now and still young. One of Rafa's best signings.
£5.6m - Momo Sissoko: Brilliant for a few years, had that eye injury and sold to Juventus when his form dipped for £8.2m. Replaced by Mascherano.
£7m - Peter Crouch: One signing I did question but proved to be a great bit of business. Turned him from a laughing stock into an international. Sold for £11m.
Unkown - Miki Roque: Kid bought for peanuts. Sold again for an unknown amount.
£150,000 - Jack Hobbs: Highly rated 16yr old signed from Lincoln. Didn't progress as hoped and sold to Leicester for a reported £1.5m, although figure not confirmed.
£190,000 Besian Idrizaj: No idea who he is
£1.5m - Mark Gonzales: Cheap player to provide back up for the left wing. Sold for £3.5m to Real Betis.
Exchange - Paul Anderson: Swapped for John Welsh. Sold for £250,000.
Exchange - Jan Kromkamp: Swapped for Josemi. Later sold for £1.75m
£5.8m - Daniel Agger: Blighted by injuries but potentially top class and great signing for the money.
£250,000 - David Martin: Young reserve keeper
Free - Robbie Fowler: Pay as you play deal and no risk involved. Scored a few goals. Released in the summer.

Total bought: £26.73

Free - Vladimir Smicer: Out of contract and released. Played a small part in Istanbul.
£3.5m - El Hadji Diouf: The best £3.5m Rafa has ever recieved.
Free - Pellegrino: Filled the gap in the last 5 months of the previous season, not good enough and released.
£2m - Alou Diarra: Sold for £2m. One of Houllier's buys.
£2m - Antonio Nunez: Bought for £1.5m and now sold for £2m when didn't work out.
£6.5m - Milan Baros: A Houllier signing sold at a profit. He's done nothing since.
Exchange - John Welsh: Swapped for Paul Anderson
Exchange - Josemi: Swapped for Kronkamp.

Total sold: £14m

2005/06 net spend: £12.73m

2006/07

£6m - Craig Bellamy: Good signing and later sold for £7.5m to fund Torres deal.
£2m - Gabriel Palletta: Played a few league cup games, not good enough and sold for £1.2m
Free - Fabio Aurelio: Very injury prone but a good player when fit. Great signing for nothing.
£6.7m - Jermaine Pennant: Second choice after missing out on Alves. Ran his contract down and released. Attitude stank.
£9m - Dirk Kuyt: Has his critics, but has been brilliant for the money. 15 goals last season from wide and vital to the way we play. Ultimate pro. Great signing.
£200,000 - Nabil El Zhar: Few cameos last season and improving. Injured now. Promising still. Peanuts.
£750,000 - Astrit Ajdarevic: No idea who he is, and released on a free to Leicester.
Loan - Daniele Padelli: Reserve keeper, made one appearance and never seen again.
Undisclosed - Jordy Brouwer: Young reserve.
£2.5m - Alvaro Arbeloa: Bargain signing, great service for a few years and sold for £3.5m when running his contract down.
Loan - Javier Mascherano: Rescued from West Ham, now one of the best defensive midfielders in the world and will probably be sold to Barca this summer for a massive profit. Paid £18.6m for him a year later at end of loan deal.

Total bought: £27.15m

£200,000 - Zak Whitbread: Youngster
Undisclosed - Bruno Cheyrou: Houllier flopped, sold for a reported £1.5m.
£3m - Fernando Morientes: Didn't work out. Cut his losses.
Free - Didi Hamann: Great servant, released at the end of his career
£675,000 - Antonio Barragan: Paid £240,000 for him.
£2m - Djimi Traore: Houllier signing and daylight robbery getting £2m for him
£500,000 - Neil Mellor: Signed as a kid and did a job for a while. Not good enough and released.
£1.75m - Jan Kromkamp: Nunez bought for £2m, swapped for him, who then sold for £1.75m. Stop gaps at minimal expense.
£525,000 - Darren Potter: Acadamy lad, not good enough and robbery getting that much for him.
£1.5m - Steven Warnock: Probably sold to cheap and looks a mistake with hindsight. Good squad player.
Free - Salif Diao: The clearout of Houllier's flops continues.

Total sold: £10.15m

2006/07 net spend: £17m

2007/08


£5m - Lucas Leiva: Brazilian player of the year when signed. Could still go either way but a lot to prove.
Undisclosed - Krisztian Nemeth: Promising youngster currently out on loan in Athens.
£270,000 - Mikel San Jose Dominguez: Youngester plays in the reserves.
£1.8m - Sebastian Leto: Left winger signing but refused a work permit. Sold for £3m.
£20.2m - Fernando Torres: Bargain of the century
Free - Andriy Voronin: Free transfer to strengthen the squad. Plays well in Germany, garbage over here.
£5m - Yossi Benayoun: Took a while to settle but now a key player. Superb signing and an absolute bargain.
£11.5m - Ryan Babel: Highly rated dutch international. Absolute waste of space. Bad signing on reflection, but nobody knew how he'd turn out. Still got potential but he can't be arsed.
Undisclosed - Charles Itandje: Back up keeper signed for peanuts. Now released.
£1.3m - Emiliano Insua: Youngster who is now a full Argentinian international and massive potential. Bargain.
£6.5m - Martin Skrtel: Been off form this season so far, but brilliant last year and a good signing for the money.
£18.6m - Javier Mascherano: Completion of loan deal

Total bought: £70.7m

£2.7m – Florent Simana-Pongolle: Houllier youngster sold wanting first team football.
£100,000 – Daniel O’Donnell: Kid sold
Free – Jerzy Dudek: Released at end of contract
Free - Zenden: Released at end of contract
Free – Robbie Fowler: Released at end of contract
£4m – Luis Garcia: Wanted to return to Spain. Great service.
£6m – Djibril Cisse: Houllier signing sold to part fund Torres deal.
£7.5m – Craig Bellamy: Sold at profit to part fund Torres deal
£3.5m – Mark Gonzales: Signed for £1.5m and sold when didn’t work out.
£1.2m – Gabriel Palletta: Bought for £2m but never worked out. Young defender.
£3.5m – Chris Kirkland: Houllier signing. Injury prone and wanted first team football.
£8.2m – Momo Sissoko: Great signing, good service, sold when lost his form at a profit.

Total sold: £36.7m

2007/08 net spend: £34m

2008/09

Free – Philip Degen: Garbage, but free.
£7m - Andrea Dossena: Italian international left back. Hasn’t settled. Bad signing.
£3.5m – Diego Cavalieri: Reserve keeper. Only played league cup games so far.
£1.5m – David N’gog: Young French striker. Promising.
£19m – Robbie Keane: Everyone made up when we signed him. Didn’t work out and sold back to Spurs for £16m.
£8m - Albert Riera: Spanish international. Started well but jury still out.

Total bought: £39m

£4m – John Arne Riise: Good servant but form tailed off. Snapped their hands off at £4m.
Free – Harry Kewell: Harry who?
Undisclosed – Anthony Le Tallec: Houllier youngster finally released. Fee not known.
£11m – Peter Crouch: Laughing stock bought for £7m. Great signing. Wanted first team football.
£2.25m – Danny Guthrie: Youngster from Acadamy thought not good enough.
£3.25m – Scott Carson: Injury prone and Reina now first choice. Sold at profit.
Undisclosed – Steve Finnan: Sold for a fee believed to be £1m
£16m – Robbie Keane: Didn’t work out.
Undisclosed – Jack Hobbs: Young defender that didn’t progress. Sold for believed to £1.5m.

Total sold: £36.5m

2008/09 net spend: £2.5m


2009/10

£17.5m – Glen Johnson: Big fee, but has been brilliant so far.
£17.1m - Alberto Aquilani: Injured so far but meant to be a class act. Highly rated in Italy.
£2m – Sotirios Kyrgiakos: Last minute signing to fill Hyypia’s shoes. Only money we had to spend.
£160,000 – Daniel Ayala: Young defender, played a few times this season and looked promising.
Free - Maxi Rodriguez: Experienced international who creates and scores.

Total bought: £36.76m

£250,000 – Paul Anderson: Youngster that didn’t progess.
Free – Jermaine Pennant: Out of contract. Poor signing.
Free – Miki Roque: No idea who he is. Bought for peanuts.
£3m – Sebastian Leto: Signed for £1.8m but didn’t get a work permit. Had to sell.
£3.5m – Alvaro Arbeloa: Wanted to leave and out of contract in the summer.
£30m – Xabi Alonso: Wanted to leave. Bought for £10.7m. Great signing.
£1.5m - Andrey Voronin: Waste of space
£4.5m - Andrea Dossena: Wasn't really good enough.

Total sold: £42.75m

2009/10 net spend: (-£5.99m)


Total Players Bought: £228,976,000
Total Players Sold: £151,100,000

Total Net Spend: £77,876,000

(An average of just over £14 million per season net spend @ 5.5 seasons)
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« Reply #757 on: January 16, 2010, 05:57:04 PM »

Would be interesting to see the net spend @ Spurs, City and Villa for the last 5.5 seasons. Maybe then fans would start to accept that winning a league title with Liverpool with what Rafa has spent is not a given, just as it isn't at those other clubs.
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« Reply #758 on: January 16, 2010, 06:01:52 PM »

Would be interesting to see the net spend @ Spurs, City and Villa for the last 5.5 seasons. Maybe then fans would start to accept that winning a league title with Liverpool with what Rafa has spent is not a given, just as it isn't at those other clubs.

You're obviously way too Rafa biased to have an objective view. From my point of view, and I'm a United fan I hope Liverpool don't sack Rafa. You will NEVER win the league with him as your manager. You might fluke another cup tho
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« Reply #759 on: January 16, 2010, 06:04:45 PM »

LOL I think i have just realised why the LOLerpool saga is so funny ... It is because the fans are delusional.

Stop comparing what other clubs are spending/doing ... you were runners up last season and now you are out of everything (bar the pie and pea euro farce), you are obviously struggling for a top 4 spot, and you are looking for excuses from every avenue.

Your manager needs to go and needs to go quick, all this bollocks about sacking managers isn't the liverpool way etc etc .. the bloke is as close as anyone I have ever seen to a nervous breakdown, he has completely lost it and has to go.

most Pool fans bleat on and on every season about how they will be challenging for this that and the other, you arent, why? who is to blame ?

You can blame the board, the lack of finances etc etc ... but the buck stops with the manager, and he needs to get himself to lost property to see if anyone has handed in a plot ... cos he has lost it !!

You may just have knocked us Spurs fans from pole position in the "most deluded fans in the prem" table.
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« Reply #760 on: January 16, 2010, 06:08:01 PM »

Would be interesting to see the net spend @ Spurs, City and Villa for the last 5.5 seasons. Maybe then fans would start to accept that winning a league title with Liverpool with what Rafa has spent is not a given, just as it isn't at those other clubs.

You're obviously way too Rafa biased to have an objective view. From my point of view, and I'm a United fan I hope Liverpool don't sack Rafa. You will NEVER win the league with him as your manager. You might fluke another cup tho

where in manchester are you from?
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« Reply #761 on: January 16, 2010, 06:17:57 PM »

Would be interesting to see the net spend @ Spurs, City and Villa for the last 5.5 seasons. Maybe then fans would start to accept that winning a league title with Liverpool with what Rafa has spent is not a given, just as it isn't at those other clubs.

You're obviously way too Rafa biased to have an objective view. From my point of view, and I'm a United fan I hope Liverpool don't sack Rafa. You will NEVER win the league with him as your manager. You might fluke another cup tho

How is expecting less than other Liverpool fans due ot our resources not being objective? I am not talking about who the manager is - it wouldn't matter who the manager is for me to make my point.
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« Reply #762 on: January 16, 2010, 06:26:44 PM »

LOL I think i have just realised why the LOLerpool saga is so funny ... It is because the fans are delusional.

Stop comparing what other clubs are spending/doing ... you were runners up last season and now you are out of everything (bar the pie and pea euro farce), you are obviously struggling for a top 4 spot, and you are looking for excuses from every avenue.

Your manager needs to go and needs to go quick, all this bollocks about sacking managers isn't the liverpool way etc etc .. the bloke is as close as anyone I have ever seen to a nervous breakdown, he has completely lost it and has to go.

most Pool fans bleat on and on every season about how they will be challenging for this that and the other, you arent, why? who is to blame ?

You can blame the board, the lack of finances etc etc ... but the buck stops with the manager, and he needs to get himself to lost property to see if anyone has handed in a plot ... cos he has lost it !!

You may just have knocked us Spurs fans from pole position in the "most deluded fans in the prem" table.

Not really Kev. We had the "should Liverpool have won a league title under Benitez?" discussion months ago on this thread, before the crisis (we'd lost a couple/few I think) and even back then I was saying with our resources that would be a massive overachievment whilst you were insistent that we should have won one under Rafa with no real reason as to why we should have (seeing as we spend less on transfers and wages than 6/7 teams only 2 of whom are expected to win the league). It's not exactly a new argument.

I am not trying to take away from the fact we've had an awful season or that the manager should shoulder the blame. If we lose to you on Weds I will be happy for Rafa to go.
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« Reply #763 on: January 16, 2010, 06:36:24 PM »

We paid £400k for Hobbs, and he's been a bargain btw.


All the debate on will he get sacked or not is a bit academic really. With a new-ish 5 year contract and a payoff due of £30m? is this correct?, board turmoil and a stadium upcoming I think the likelihood of him being sacked unless they really really have to is remote.
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« Reply #764 on: January 16, 2010, 06:42:16 PM »

Would be interesting to see the net spend @ Spurs, City and Villa for the last 5.5 seasons. Maybe then fans would start to accept that winning a league title with Liverpool with what Rafa has spent is not a given, just as it isn't at those other clubs.

You're obviously way too Rafa biased to have an objective view. From my point of view, and I'm a United fan I hope Liverpool don't sack Rafa. You will NEVER win the league with him as your manager. You might fluke another cup tho

where in manchester are you from?

*Yawn* You must be the most tedious poster on here (after me of course)
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