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« on: July 02, 2007, 10:57:13 PM »

Game #4904336334: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/07/02 - 21:02:07 (UK)
Table "Wildcats" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Anderssos ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: mysaren ($77 in chips)
Seat 3: plump ($98 in chips)
Seat 4: krame5 ($150.10 in chips)
Seat 5: llcoolgaz ($228.32 in chips)
Seat 6: fanvasurt ($188.70 in chips)
plump: posts small blind $1
krame5: posts big blind $2
Anderssos sits out
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to plump [ ]
llcoolgaz: folds
fanvasurt: folds
mysaren: folds
plump: calls $1
krame5: raises to $6
plump: calls $4
----- FLOP ----- [ ]
plump: bets $7
Tristar99 joins the table at seat #1
krame5: raises to $18
plump: raises to $62
krame5: raises to $144.10 and is all-in
plump: is all-in $30
Returned uncalled bets $52.10 to krame5
----- TURN ----- [ ][]
----- RIVER ----- [ ][]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
krame5: shows [ ] (Two Pairs, Kings and Nines, Ten high)
plump: shows [ ] (A Pair of Nines, King high)
krame5 collected $193 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2007, 11:04:25 PM »

Alex I think you know the answer
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 12:20:42 AM »

As long as you play sets the same, it's fine.

In a tournament against a bad player who can't fold an overpair you should check/call.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 04:36:34 AM »

you played the hand 100 times better than your opponent. How can you be too aggressive if you got your money in as a favourite?
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2007, 09:42:00 AM »

you played the hand 100 times better than your opponent. How can you be too aggressive if you got your money in as a favourite?

Was about to say - you got your money in when you were favourite to win the hand.  Nothing up with that in my book.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 11:36:02 AM »

even if the stacks were deeper i still try and get it in here.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2007, 11:58:34 AM »

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you played the hand 100 times better than your opponent.

please can you explain further, this is a battle of the blinds he's got KK what's wrong with how he played it? I would prob have raised to $8 but apart from that? I'm not a huge fan of limping pre flop in 6 max but apart from that Alex played fine too imo.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2007, 12:53:50 PM »

I must play my draws too aggressivley aswell then, I do that with a gutshot.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 01:14:18 PM »

Its a double bell buster....and i play it same as you.

Sometimes you just miss  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2007, 02:19:48 PM »

I play it the same too, even though I haven't hit a draw like this since about October.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2007, 02:31:53 PM »

I play it the same too, even though I haven't hit a draw like this since about October.

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 05:11:13 PM »

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you played the hand 100 times better than your opponent.

please can you explain further, this is a battle of the blinds he's got KK what's wrong with how he played it? I would prob have raised to $8 but apart from that? I'm not a huge fan of limping pre flop in 6 max but apart from that Alex played fine too imo.

This is a bad flop for Kings and getting it all in there is definitely -EV. I don't like his flop raise at all. More often than not if you raise a weak lead in this situation it will be met be a large 3 bet in which case your options are reduced to fold or shove and if you shove with KK here you're either in a bad race or drawing very thin. Alex played the hand really well because he forced the guy to put his money in on the flop but also gave the guy an opportunity to fold.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2007, 05:12:27 PM »

I tend to check raise the flop (or get a free card) against reasonable opponents and shove the turn if i hit or not (assuming he called the c/r on the flop), just gives me more chance to win the pot without showdown or win an extra bet on the flop.

3 betting the flop all in with big draws will result in some massive downswings and equally the other way so you need a decent roll and consistency.

 I just don't like to get all my chips in as a small favourite,  I like to keep my variance down.

But if your playing it aggresive you have to take it when you miss, after all you were in as favourite.
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2007, 05:18:17 PM »

I just don't like to get all my chips in as a small favourite,  I like to keep my variance down.

This is a joke right? You think you keep your variance down by giving up edges? That is actually a great way to INCREASE your variance and become a losing player overall.

BTW your edge with Alex's hand is pretty signifficant in the hand above, especially when you play it the way he did, because you create a lot of fold equity.


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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2007, 08:01:17 PM »

I just don't like to get all my chips in as a small favourite,  I like to keep my variance down.

This is a joke right? You think you keep your variance down by giving up edges? That is actually a great way to INCREASE your variance and become a losing player overall.

BTW your edge with Alex's hand is pretty signifficant in the hand above, especially when you play it the way he did, because you create a lot of fold equity.




we will have to just disagree. I will happily 3 bet all in if thats the way it goes but i definately prefer to make a hand first or scare the life out of them by check raising a little more. depends who your playing really.
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