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« Reply #4890 on: April 25, 2008, 02:09:31 AM »

Tony,

What do you know about the tube system in London? Everytime I travel on it I wonder how the hell they made something so big and widereaching in days gone by.
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« Reply #4891 on: April 25, 2008, 02:14:42 AM »

London has the worlds oldest underground system. Service started Jan 10th 1863.

It has 253 miles of track and used by 975 million people per year
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« Reply #4892 on: April 25, 2008, 02:16:25 AM »

London has the worlds oldest underground system. Service started Jan 10th 1863.

cheers Jim, How the hell do you build something like that in 1863, or did it start as something very limited and develop into what it is today or was it built as a widespread service even then?
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« Reply #4893 on: April 25, 2008, 02:19:51 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground
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« Reply #4894 on: April 25, 2008, 02:30:56 AM »

Cheers Jim.
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« Reply #4895 on: April 25, 2008, 02:36:37 AM »

Tony,

What do you know about the tube system in London? Everytime I travel on it I wonder how the hell they made something so big and widereaching in days gone by.

It's THE most wondrous piece of (mostly) Victorian Civil Engineerring you could ever wish to see Phil. I could write pages & pages about it, & I cannot use it without being in awe of those who originally designed & built it. Nearly a billion people per year use it nowadays.

Passengers moan about it - everyone moans about everything these days - but it did suffer from lack of Investment during the period 1960 to 1990. Since then, almost the only blot on Mayor Livigstone's copybook has been his disastrous & now reversed decision to let the Upgrade Programme to the hapless & now defunct Metro-Net outfit, who were wholly overwhelmed by the sudden influx of work.

But it's very much better now than 30 or even 20 years ago. MUCH cleaner - Stations, Platforms & Rolling Stock, & they have got one very important thing Spot-On - communication. At every Station, every hour of every day, there is a "Service Update Board". Excellent.

Safety - there can barely be a safer mass-transportation system in the world. Exclude "Passenger Incidents" (folks falling under Trains) from that, & the death rate is barely recordable.

Regularity & Serrvice Frequency - SO much better than even 20 years ago. On the busier lines - Central, Victoria, Northern, Jubillee, etc, they run as closely as every 2 minutes most of the day. The Signalling system to cope with that alone is something special.

Maintenance & Design of infrastructure & rolling-stock is superb. The Seats need to be super-tough due to low-lifes abusing them, feet on seats etc, but you never even see chafed upholstery. The new Central Line stock has those high windows giving much better vision. The old Stations, particularly on the Piccadilly & Northern Lines are Listed Structures, being so beautiful, many of them recognized Art-Deco. The architecture on the new Jubilee Line is spectacular, & the materials - mainly glass & aluminium - has a maintenance-free design life of hundreds of years.

As tp the Trains, give how many operate daily, the mechanical reliability is almost 100%. Compare that to the modern-day Main Line Virgin & Midland Mainline plastic shite.

Tunneling "back in the day" was incomprehensibly complex, with Tube Lines passing over & under each other Underground, as well as having to dodge major utility Services (gas, leccy) & of course, the London Sewer System.

The Victoria Line - I recall it first opening - has revitalised huge areas of East London, & it's wonderfully reliable, & faster than ANY means of Transport in London.

I do wonder where all the money goes. The Services are packed to capacity, 12 of the 18 hours per day it's open, & it's quite expensive "per head" to travel on nowadays, so their income must be absolutely huge. I expect bureaucracy soaks up much of it.

It's an absolute engineering miracle of reliability & safety. Few Londoners realise it, but they are incedibly lucky to have it. To be fair, the Paris Metro is pretty impressive, as is the Moscow Underground. I've not yet experienced the New York Subway System, but it's on my "before I die" List.
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« Reply #4896 on: April 25, 2008, 02:40:15 AM »

London has the worlds oldest underground system. Service started Jan 10th 1863.

cheers Jim, How the hell do you build something like that in 1863, or did it start as something very limited and develop into what it is today or was it built as a widespread service even then?

No, it was constructed piecemeal, by individual Private Companies, & one by one, they eventually all came to form what we today know as London Underground - "The Tube".

Latterly, LU have constructed two completely new lines - The Victoria, & the Jubilee, & very impressive they are too. Compare the quality of those to the woeful DLR - chalk & cheese. The DLR will collapse within 30 years, it's a complete bag of spanners.
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« Reply #4897 on: April 25, 2008, 02:40:58 AM »


it is as u say tikay remarkable considering when it was first designed and built.

but being british it has been equalled then surpassed by ny then completely put to shame by singapores mrt which is trully the best transport system in the world.

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« Reply #4898 on: April 25, 2008, 02:42:52 AM »


it is as u say tikay remarkable considering when it was first designed and built.

but being british it has been equalled then surpassed by ny then completely put to shame by singapores mrt which is trully the best transport system in the world.



Well it (Singapore MRT) may be "the best", but to be fair, it was built in modern times. It's a bit easier to build such things these days.
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« Reply #4899 on: April 25, 2008, 02:44:06 AM »

The MagLev in Shanghai is pretty good at 300+ MPH...
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« Reply #4900 on: April 25, 2008, 02:45:15 AM »


of course tikay

but it should still be possible to be as safe and clean.   and maybe even to timetables.  no??
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« Reply #4901 on: April 25, 2008, 02:46:02 AM »

The sewers is a good call.

As far as bridges go, this bridge is pretty special:

http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf050103.htm



What do you think of this bridge. Although it is in France it was designed by an Englishman.
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« Reply #4902 on: April 25, 2008, 02:54:32 AM »


of course tikay

but it should still be possible to be as safe and clean.   and maybe even to timetables.  no??


The London Underground is incredibly safe, & it's very clean, especially given how modern day society discards litter & free newspapers everywhere.

Timetables. All Lines run "every x minutes", & the punctuality & reliability Rates are stunningly high. As with Weather Forecasts in non-temperate climates, Timetables are redundant on LU.
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« Reply #4903 on: April 25, 2008, 02:55:06 AM »

I saw a question on a game show the other day asking for the 6 busiest undergrounds in the world and I was most suprised to discover that the London underground was not one of them

hmmm Tokyo? New York?

paris
tokyo
new york
moscow
seoul
beijing
sao paulo

these cities all have busy underground systems then London but London is the original. Tokyo has 3 times the passengers per year at 2.8 billion
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« Reply #4904 on: April 25, 2008, 02:57:38 AM »

The sewers is a good call.

As far as bridges go, this bridge is pretty special:

http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf050103.htm



What do you think of this bridge. Although it is in France it was designed by an Englishman.

One of the World's Great Bridges, right up there with the bridge - yes. BRIDGE - that links Denmark & Sweden.

I have a book on bridges. To enable the pics of the bridges to be properly viewed, it's nearly 3 foot wide when open, & 18" wide closed. It's a bugger to fit on a Bookshelf though.
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